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Now I see why Myles wanted to stay in Cleveland
He thinks the plan is worth it
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Fine with this - anyone else is better than Dorian.
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Basically, a 5th round pick and a way for AB to save face for drafting DTR instead of Nacua.
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Agreed. KP is probably as good or better than anyone we have right now. Capable backup.
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Ok they up graded their 3rd string QB. I am not heart broken DTR is no longer a Brown.
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I now want 2 QB in this draft more than ever.
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Agreed. KP is probably as good or better than anyone we have right now. Capable backup. Low bar seeing as DTR was the only QB on the roster. I do not like giving up a draft pick to get a terrible QB. Just sign another schlub like Heinicke if you want a cheap QB.
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SO who are we going to draft?
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SO who are we going to draft? Wednesday might start making that question a little clearer
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He is definitely our reclamation project.
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Solid backup QB, it’s worth a fifth rounder imo.
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Can the Browns trade Pickett, as in a package deal to another team ?
I know this doesn't fall under the three months rule for free agents.
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I don't think Pickett is very good, but DTR is horrendous. I think he could be a decent back up. He does have starting experience.
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And it continues since 1999. The Browns have a QB room filled With 1st RD busts . It never changes
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I do not disagree. $2.6M salary and a 5th round pick pick for Pickett is my issue. $2.6M salary is fine for a QB2, not for QB3. Giving up a 5th round pick does not seem wise. Pickett is not good.
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I do not disagree. $2.6M salary and a 5th round pick pick for Pickett is my issue. $2.6M salary is fine for a QB2, not for QB3. Giving up a 5th round pick does not seem wise. Pickett is not good. Part of me thinks Pickett will be the QB2.
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I think that’s probably the case. He might even be QB1 if we draft a QB and sit him until he’s ready.
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I do not disagree. $2.6M salary and a 5th round pick pick for Pickett is my issue. $2.6M salary is fine for a QB2, not for QB3. Giving up a 5th round pick does not seem wise. Pickett is not good. Part of me thinks Pickett will be the QB2. Tell the equipment room staff to load up on Youth Large gloves and easy on the stickum! 
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Reading the rationale here, we're spending 2.6m and a draft pick on someone 'cuz they don't quite suck as bad as DTR. I do not disagree. $2.6M salary and a 5th round pick pick for Pickett is my issue. $2.6M salary is fine for a QB2, not for QB3. Giving up a 5th round pick does not seem wise. Pickett is not good. Part of me thinks Pickett will be the QB2. He's QB1 as of now. Reading the rationale here, we're spending 2.6m and a draft pick on someone 'cuz they don't quite suck as bad as DTR.
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I really felt that Stefanski was going to get a QB at #2 no matter what. I still have a hard time believing they won't use that pick to get a young QB. But this move getting Kenny Pickett has me questioning myself. My first reaction was OK they upgraded DTR. I agree he is an upgrade from DTR. But he is also young and a past 1st round pick. Maybe he is the 2nd string QB with possible upside that Stefanski wants to see what he can get out of him. I could see with Pickett in the fold that the Browns still will sign Kirk Cousins once he is released and have Pickett backing him up. Then the Browns could draft a player like Ohio QB Will Howard as the 3rd string QB. That QB room would look much more like a Kevin Stefanski QB room and he would have 2 young QB's to evaluate behind Cousins. With Pickett's past starting in the league, it is some insurance behind Cousins while a QB like Howard can learn behind. Again I still think the Browns will take a QB at 2 but if the player they really like is not there they now have options.
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My read of your post- Howard at number 2.....get real. Pickett an upgrade over DTR....time will tell IF we take a QB at 2....I pray we DON'T....I'm unimpressed with ANY QB....please not SANDERS, who has little arm strength. Trade down and get picks.
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We still have so many holes to fill like QB1, DT, LB, S, OL, WR
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My read of your post- Howard at number 2.....get real. Pickett an upgrade over DTR....time will tell IF we take a QB at 2....I pray we DON'T....I'm unimpressed with ANY QB....please not SANDERS, who has little arm strength. Trade down and get picks. He didn't say Howard at #2. He thought we would draft a QB at 2 but if we get Cousins then we could pick up Howard later in the draft.
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I get some of the reactions if people think Pickett was brought in to be the starter. I don't think he was. He was brought in to be #2.
He replaces Dorian who wasn't going to make the team and we gave up a 5th round pick which belonged to the Lions, so it is a late 5th rounder.
I agree that Pickett is a very low end of low tier starters. As a back-up he is solidly in the middle to maybe top tier given his starting experience.
Solid move. Seriously, what were some of you expecting by giving up Dorian and a late 5th round pick? We went from Dorian, who totally sucked when given a chance. Change might do him good. We picked up a guy who can step in and do a creditable job when called upon.
Sounds like a win to me.
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IMO, Pickett a former first round pick is a low cost flyer.
I do not think he is considered second string. They will add another used car.
They will draft one maybe two more guys. This was the Berry plan. Revamp the quarterback room.
The free agent guys are like used car shopping.
The rookie will be like a new SUV.
Bring them to camp and play the best starter.
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For the time being, I think he will be slated in as QB2 and then the FO will push to get someone like Cousins/Flacco.....I'd lean Cousins. If that happens, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pass on a QB at #2, especially if Ward is gone, which I expect. I feel like the Browns FO would go BPA if they select at 2 and go with either Carter or Hunter. They could also trade down to accumulate assets for the QB class of next year as well. As time has gone by, I am less confident they take a QB. But I reserve the right to change my mind...even as soon as I hit the 'post reply' button. 
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Everything depends on how the Browns view the quarterbacks.
1.) The Browns do not see much difference between Ward and Sanders.
A.) Stand pat at two and take one.
2.) The Browns see a substantial difference between Ward and Sanders.
A. Trade up and get your guy.
3.) Titans take their guy.
A.) trade down or take BPA ( Hunter/Carter)
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4.) If they trade down then circle back and get Dart or take a flyer on another guy later.
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IMO, Pickett a former first round pick is a low cost flyer.
I do not think he is considered second string. They will add another used car.
They will draft one maybe two more guys. This was the Berry plan. Revamp the quarterback room.
The free agent guys are like used car shopping.
The rookie will be like a new SUV.
Bring them to camp and play the best starter.
Have we ever gone into camp with the "right" amount of QBs? I feel like we almost always sign at least 1 extra FA QB (in addition to the draft).
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Had to get a guy who fit the budget. DTR sucked so it's an upgrade.
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...Myles, please tell me the plan they laid out for you wasn't putting together the lowest ceiling QB room in the league and having them compete.
The thought of a Cousins, Sanders, Pickett QB room is almost enough to sway me over to the should have fired everyone camp.
Two "good" organizations gave up on Pickett in 3 years. The ability to see the field is useless if you don't have the ability to take advantage of what you see.
He had 13 TDs and 13 INTs in 24 starts with the Steelers. He actually went into those seasons as the starter, it wasn't as a replacement in an offense designed for somebody else. He averaged less than a single TD per game.
Addison toasting bad DBs off the line and making Pickett's lobbed wobblers work is the only reason he got drafted. Going back and watching 2021 Pitt games only made me feel worse.
Bleh, I hate this move so much. Might as well have set the 5th rounder on fire. Could have used it on a QB in the draft that actually has tools worth trying to develop. Could have traded for a punter and had a better chance of hitting on a QB.
How do you go through the Watson trade fiasco and then get even worse at evaluating QBs? Moxy is a bonus, not something to bet on.
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All Pickett is doing is replacing DTR.
DTR got his shot. He failed. He was not good enough to be a backup.
Right now Pickett is just a guy on the roster. They will sign another guy.
They will also draft one or two more quarterbacks.
Pickett like Daniel Jones has played himself out of being a starter. So did Cousins.
They are Used cars with miles. Some with more miles than others.
If Pickett can become a backup. That is all that is needed.
It still comes down to the draft.
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All Pickett is doing is replacing DTR.
DTR got his shot. He failed. He was not good enough to be a backup.
Right now Pickett is just a guy on the roster. They will sign another guy.
They will also draft one or two more quarterbacks.
Pickett like Daniel Jones has played himself out of being a starter. So did Cousins.
They are Used cars with miles. Some with more miles than others.
If Pickett can become a backup. That is all that is needed.
It still comes down to the draft. I'm fine with getting rid of DTR. I'd rather have no QBs on the roster than waste anything on Pickett. With DTR there was hope of development. With Pickett there's hope of not scaring away Cousins and that's about the best spin I can put on it. ...And I don't particularly want Cousins. Pickett's less talented than DTR. I get the idea of gambling on former first round picks. Pickett should not have been a first round pick. The Eagles already made the gamble and quickly decided they'd rather go with DTR and a 5th round pick. I'd rather have the 5th round pick, too. ...There's a tiny glimmer of hope somewhere in the back of my head that by going vehemently against him, I can reverse jinx it. Lol. Really, I just think landing on Pickett could only be the result of a horrible process. And a horrible process on QBs is not something I want to see ever, and particularly not right now. What's the upside of the move? He's in the last year of a rookie deal, he's got tiny hands and no plus tools, and had the locker room problem red flag in Pittsburgh (wasn't going to stay to be the backup.) When Mike Tomlin wants to get rid of a player he just used a first round pick on two seasons ago because he's not worth the headache, I want no part.
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What's the upside of the move? He's in the last year of a rookie deal, he's got tiny hands and no plus tools, and had the locker room problem red flag in Pittsburgh (wasn't going to stay to be the backup.)
When Mike Tomlin wants to get rid of a player he just used a first round pick on two seasons ago because he's not worth the headache, I want no part. I'm so confused when I see a post like this. In PIT, "Tomlin wants to get of a player he just used a first-round pick on two seasons ago." Is this only in Pittsburgh that the HC has a say who stays or goes on a team? Here in Cleveland, many here will swear that Stefanski has no "say so" in player selection and thus should not be held accountable for the poor players he is told will be on the roster. Just wondering if Pittsburgh is the ONLY NFL team that considers the opinion or wishes of the HC.
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Pickett > Dorian (as Balpeen indicated not worthy of 3 letter nickname) by a longshot and talent and Dorian should never be used in the same sentence.
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