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What possible evidence do you have to support the statement that "Sanders is being slandered"?

You have fallen in lust with any and every QB in this draft ranked in the top 3 and will make any and every excuse for them possible.

I've already shown you one such statement where he claimed he had already proven he could "turn a franchise around". There are no franchises in college football and his people the players that wanted to play for his daddy transferring to that school is the only reason he was surrounded by players who made his success possible.

Travis Hunter transferred there from Jackson State to play for Deion. Without that one player alone Sanders would have looked quite average at best. And he doesn't look much more than average as it is.

An actual NFL QB coach was quoted as having made that statement. Who was MKC's source again?

I know you said you would feel good about any of the three. I base what you call my opinion on actual things he has said. I trust what an NFL QB coach said. An NFL QB coach is also getting paid for his opinion. And it actually means something. If you choose not to trust such a thing so be it.

If I am the Browns, with all of the picks we have, I would take 2 QB, a RB, a TE, 2 OL, and 2 DL. Mix 'em up in the draft ..... but this team really needs rebuilt.

So she's upset that an actual NFL QB coach who sat in on an actual interview and knows what was said is stating what happened during that interview. Meanwhile she was not there, knows nothing of what was said and yet that holds some sense of validity to you?

So he did a good job of PR with the press and that somehow changes what was said and how he conducted himself in the team interview?

I had no idea it worked that way. But we all have our opinions and believe what we choose to believe. To each their own.

In this case you have chosen to give more credence to a reporter that didn't even sit in on the interview over someone that was actually there.

QB dominoes are starting to fall.

Time to look closer at the later QBs?

Or are we gonna send Myles to the Titans? I could see Jimmy as the spiteful type. I could potentially see a "rebuild" being more realistic if the first pick is involved and they love a QB.

Probably doesn't really remake sense for Tennessee, though. Trying to figure out a trade that actually works well for the Browns is rough.

I'd like the what we get part, it's the what we'd have to lose part that has given me pause. Denzel Ward, Njoku, others probably/possibly cap casualties if we do trade Myles. I need to actually dig into cap ramifications if we trade some other guys to try to make a Myles move cap compliant instead of just listening to talking heads that may or may not know what they are talking about.

That might work if Garrett is willing to sign a contract extension with the Titans. If not they would have to be pretty foolish to give up much for a two year rental.

BTW- bone. That NFL QB coach who was in the room during that interview, you know someone who actually heard the interview and not the one throwing a fit over what he said about the interview............. He did not withhold his name. She plainly stated that she decided to do so. Now I wonder why that is? Could it be if she actually said his name it would validate what he said because he is much more credible than she is? Things that make you go hmmmmm.....

The concern is getting the players you're drafting to rebuild with to believe in/survive the rebuild plan.

I'm with you. I just hope we have the surroundings that don't let the (any/every) QB get Broken. I don't want to talk myself into another Watson situation.

If we can get the QB, and a happy Myles back, that would be ideal. Hitting on the other existing picks would be nice, too.

j/c

Shedeur Sanders Rumors: 'A Lot of NFL Teams' Don't See QB as 1st-Round Draft Pick

While Miami's Cam Ward seems to have firmly established himself as the top quarterback in the 2025 NFL draft class, evaluators are reportedly all over the place when ranking Colorado star Shedeur Sanders.

The Athletic's Dane Brugler unveiled his latest mock draft on Tuesday, and even though he predicted that the Pittsburgh Steelers would select Sanders with the No. 21 pick, he revealed that "a lot of NFL teams" don't even think the signal-caller is worth a first-round pick.

"Sanders is going to be a wild card in this draft. He could go in the top six or fall out of the first round entirely—and neither outcome would be a shock," Brugler wrote. "He is not a first-round quarterback for a lot of NFL teams, which isn’t a major surprise (and matches my evaluation). But all it takes is one front office to roll the dice on his skill set."

Neither Ward nor Sanders participated in throwing drills at the NFL Scouting Combine this past weekend, but Sanders faced criticisms for his interviews.

NFL insider Josina Anderson reported on Monday that "a quarterbacks coach from a team drafting in the top seven" referred to Sanders "as coming off 'brash' and 'arrogant' in his team interview" and made his assessment "known to a number of people." NFL draft insider Todd McShay echoed that sentiment, reporting that some teams drafting in the top 10 didn't feel that the 23-year-old took a "professional approach" to his interviews. Tony Pauline of Sportskeeda also reported on Sunday that "teams are cooling on Shedeur Sanders for a number of reasons," adding that some people are "also a little turned off by his antics since January."

The polarizing results of Sanders' interviews further solidified Ward as the safer quarterback prospect.

"Ward is widely viewed as the top guy this year, but the quarterback rankings after him vary wildly from team to team. Some believe Shedeur Sanders is QB2, while other teams view him more as a Day 2 type of prospect—and someone who didn’t help himself at this year’s combine," Brugler stated.

Colorado has yet to announce the official date of its pro day, but that will be Sanders' chance to silence his critics and prove that he's worthy of a first-round draft pick next month.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...l-teams-dont-see-qb-1st-round-draft-pick

I remember another QB coming out that had opinions " all over the place" about him, Johnny Manzel! That didn't work out too well.

That's probably what you said about Johnny Manziel too and we see how that worked out. When making a huge investment, to ignore all of the warning signs given in advance is not how a business should work.

After he is drafted is a little too late to "decide over time if I like him" At that point the dye has been cast and the investment will already have been wasted.

I understand you heard a long interview where he sounded fine.

But then I see on the news where people have been arrested and their neighbors look at the camera and say, "He was such a nice guy that I had no idea". In this case people are giving us the idea. People who have sources on the inside of NFL teams. I guess by year three of Sanders being a Brown you can decide how you feel about him.

Why make comments like that? They are based on the very words you yourself posted.....


That's a luxury you do not have when drafting a player. I mean if it's some guy down the block that's fine. You're not investing a huge asset, millions of dollars and a major asset into him. This is a totally different animal.


Another luxury you don't have. McShay isn't some fly by night, third rate reporter. The Athletic and Dane Bulger are extremely reliable sources. So you can dismiss these reports all you like but McShay says more than one team shared that opinion. You can only base your opinion on the information at hand.


As I said, at that point what you think will make no difference. It will be too late at that point.


That's a possibilty but that's usually coming from one source or team to try to slant things in their direction. That's not the case here.


What they do know is what some NFL teams think of him after his interview.


So in your opinion that one interview set the standard and all of these other reports according to NFL teams is meaningless.


At that point what other choice would you have?


As far as that goes I liked Baker too. But then i didn't hear NFL teams who thought he tanked his interviews before he was drafted either.

But hey, you do you. I just fully understand that the NFL is a huge multi billion dollar corporation and on teams that that function properly do everything possible to cut their risks and maximize their odds of success. Hearing how he is conducting his interviews and deciding to ignore it.... isn't doing that IMO

So that's where you're going now? You think I'm being personal? I can be but I haven't been yet.

Myles will not allow himself to be traded to a team in the top 15 of this draft. He wants to be traded to a contender not a team in rebuild mode. This also means there is zero value in trading Myles away because 2 number picks that will be LOW first round picks and a huge cap hit for the Browns makes zero sense for the Browns.

I'm fine if we trade Myles away and I am fine with trading back from the number two spot. I would only want to do it for draft picks in 2027 when Manning comes out. That is the year we want to draft number 1 over all and finally have a real QB for the Browns.

Otherwise, I take Best Player Available at 2 and tell Myles to either honor his contract or retire from football. We made Myles the best paid DE in the league and he was happy to take our money. Now that he has been paid he wants to be traded but only to a contender. Sorry but too darn bad. We have Myles on the books for at least 4 more years and I don't see a team that will be willing to pay what it's worth to give him up. I have no pity for self entitled millionaires who don't think it's important to honor their word/contract.

I want either Ward, Dart, or Sanders for our first round pick and in that order. Ward has the arm but makes questionable decisions, Dart has the mental speed and quick release, and Sanders has the most polished football brain. I think all three will do well but that Sanders will take longer to shine because his game is going to have to get much faster for him to succeed. In the end, all three have potential to succeed so I am fine getting one of them. I do think Dart is the most NFL ready but that Ward has the most potential if he develops right.

I honestly wanted Abdul Carter till I learned he has a stress fracture in his foot. I love this kid. I worry now that he plays too hard for his body to handle. I would have loved to see him and Myles on the same line!

I have given that some thought, but in the end am not in favor of that. Arch Manning seems to be the prize at #1. If he is such a prize, who is going to trade out of #1?

I don't think we are going to be anywhere near the worst team in the league. We are going to sign some vet QB. That move alone is going to improve the O over the QB's we played last year. We are also going back to the O we know we can run. Add in no matter what we do with Chubb, we will draft one of those running backs in this draft. Some fresh, talented legs will also help.

The cards we hold this year give us the pick of any qb we might want with the possible exception of one. Just take him at #2, even if it is Dart. I wouldn't fool with trying to trade back.

"I want either Ward, Dart, or Sanders for our first round pick and in that order. Ward has the arm but makes questionable decisions, Dart has the mental speed and quick release, and Sanders has the most polished football brain. I think all three will do well but that Sanders will take longer to shine because his game is going to have to get much faster for him to succeed. In the end, all three have potential to succeed so I am fine getting one of them. I do think Dart is the most NFL ready but that Ward has the most potential if he develops right."

That is the way I see it as well.

In the end I just want whoever they select to be that guy.

I have not looked much at all of the other positions outside of QB. I do like WR Luther Burden III.

The wish list is QB, WR, RB, and linemen on both sides. Another TE would help.

Berry needs to hit in this draft. Outside of quarterback BPA will serve because we can upgrade anywhere.

So we are all in agreement: we might take a QB at 2....

I am fine with a QB at 2 or Abdul Carter at number 2. I think Abdul would probably have the greater impact though.

I am also a huge fan of moving back slighting to pick up some picks and drafting Mason Graham DT, and then moving back up to draft Dart before the Steelers do. I actually think Mason would help our DL the most and make Myles Job a lot easier if he is playing next to Myles on that line. That is just a lot of force to content with. Both Mason and Myles demand double teams. That means out other DL and DE will be 1 on 1 all game and that the other team will lose an offensive weapon because otherwise their QB will be in the ground.

KC showed why defence wins games. A great QB is not so great when he is laid out counting starts all game. Myles and Mason is a combo that will give teams NIGHTMARES!

I really don't see Stefanski not taking a QB at 2. He was stuck with Mayfield when he got here, and he was given Watson from the trade. I believe he wants to pick the next QB at #2 since he has been here v5 years and has not done so.

Do you think if his preferred QB is selected at #1 he will just draft a QB he doesn't feel is worthy of the pick just to draft a QB? That's my issue with that line of thinking. It's quite possible they don't think anyone other than Ward is worthy of such a pick and Ward will be gone. I certainly hope they don't just draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB at #2. If they aren't sold on the guy that could be a huge waste of a very valuable pick.

If they are not sold on any other QB they may not select a QB. If they really like Jaxson Dart, Tyler Schough, or Jalen Milroe they will probably select them at #2 no matter what the draft experts think. What price do you put on your QB. Let's say Tyler Schough is the QB they like so they do not attempt a trade up because they feel strongly that the Titans are selecting Ward. Do you trade down just because draft experts say Schough will be a 2nd round pick? I have heard some very trustworthy scouts say Schough is the 2nd best QB in this draft. If he was 22 instead of 25 he would be a top pick. What if the Giants feel the same. Cannot wait just because draft experts say he will last. Bottom line is we do not know their #1 and if we hear thay are trying to trade for #1 then we will know who they like. If they don't I would assume a QB at #2. It just might not be wh owe all expect.

I would also assume QB's will rise on many draft boards the week of the draft. In 2018 most draft experts did not have Baker going #1 he rose late, and the Browns drafted him.