It seems everyday I have a different point of view.
One thing is for sure. It is much easier to evaluate positions other than quarterback.
Rees should really help. Unless you are part of the college football program you are unaware of all that was going on inside the offense.
There are plenty of factors we will never know.
Milroe is a difficult study. He went through lots of change at Alabama.
He is one of the best athletes in the entire draft.
The advancement of Josh Allen and Lamar since entry into the NFL has been spectacular. When you see that it gives you hope that Milroe could be like that. If he learns to be an efficient passer. The sky is the ceiling.
Hunter and Carter both look like studs. I don't see a bad pick there.
My ultimate goal is to find the quarterback to lead the Browns. Myles is the best defender in the NFL and Ward us a top corner. We won three games.
We need good play at quarterback. We have to improve the run game. We need more receiver production. And we have to win the turnover battle.
Those goals can be accomplished by making the right decisions.
We need good play at quarterback. We have to improve the run game. We need more receiver production. And we have to win the turnover battle.
I agree on all of this. The thing I struggle with is sort of trying to figure out the "secret sauce" to making it actually work. Individual talent is important, but it's not always enough. What changed between the Michigan game and the playoffs for Ohio State? Why do so many talented players fail on the Browns?
How do we avoid "bus drivers" and get more "oar pullers?" Or at least make sure everybody's on the same bus instead people ending up under it? How do we better ensure everyone is pulling together in rhythm and will be able to continue to do so?
Fit is just so important, but also so very hard to predict. Collaborative/willing to take coaching, willingness to "sacrifice" for the team/his teammates, and width of skill set are areas I'm trying to wrap my head around/explore the angles and figure out how to really evaluate for/weight in the overall evaluation. Width of skill I'm thinking along the lines of yes a guy has a primary skill/ MO that fits what we want to do, but if opposing teams scheme to take that away, what is the counter to the counter? Does a guy have multiple ways to potentially fit? How exploitable are his weaknesses?
Whose presence will help everyone else the most? Can that synergistically help that guy the most?
I think I am a little stuck on the idea of a mobile QB helps the running game-> Running game helps slow down the pass rush -> More guys in the box to stop the run means more opportunities down the field for receivers.
...But do the mobile QBs have exploitable weaknesses?
Was our running game exploitable/ignorable last season?
...And round and round I go....
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Forget taking a QB at 2. I would take Abdul Carter from PSU.
The league is setup rules-wise for offenses to have the advantage. Ours was not good. How does he help our weakness? You've got to score points to win.
The defense is good enough to win with. And can be even better when given a lead so as to be able to be more aggressive. The offense was an abomination.
There is some merit to just taking good players. I'm just not sure he changes the equation for us. Currently our hole at QB is kind of multiplying everything else by zero.
We might be able to get a QB that multiplies everything by one in FA, but if the ultimate goal is Super Bowl, a team likely needs more than that in the modern era. This may be our opportunity to get one. Rolling with a good enough QB from FA likely ensures we're not in a position to take a "force multiplying" QB later.
I'm not saying we have to take one. We should dig deep on them.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
This is a good "pros and cons" look at Jaxon Dart.
This morning I watched a YouTube guy shred Milroe as "undraftable."
He had film and pointed out that Milroe is a single read default runner. Cannot throw with anticipation. Has no pocket presence. Cannot read defenses and is inaccurate.
I don't buy his full argument but I can see that Milroe has much to work on as a passer.
As an athlete and pure runner he stands alone. Again he is a tough guy to evaluate.
They do complete analysis and provide details on their methodology.
This is their summary on Milroe.
"Raw tools jump off the tape with Milroe - a nuclear arm paired with explosive athleticism that threatens defenses on every snap. His game-breaking acceleration and ability to stress second-level defenders puts him in rare air athletically, even in an NFL context. The flashes of brilliance against Georgia's NFL-caliber defense hint at his sky-high ceiling.
A smart offensive coordinator will tailor early concepts to his strengths - designed runs, play-action shots, and simple half-field reads while his pocket presence develops. The processing speed and anticipatory throws need work, but his pure arm talent lets him get away with being late at times. In the right system that embraces his dual-threat ability early, he can win games while the finer points come along.
The team that pulls the trigger on Milroe is betting on traits over polish. His release velocity and twitch put him in the top tier of arm talents in this class. When the game slows down and the mechanics tighten up, you're looking at a potential game-changer who can beat you from the pocket or split the defense on designed runs. High-risk, high-reward prospect who could be special if it all clicks."
After taking a hard look, I wouldn’t draft any of these QBs in the upper first round and most not untill the 4th round or later. Imho, there are zero game changing QBs in this draft and all will be projects. I say build the team at other spots in the draft, maybe take a flier on a QB at a value pick position, and get a bridge vet and a desirable back up in FA/trade for two years.
This morning I watched a YouTube guy shred Milroe as "undraftable."
He had film and pointed out that Milroe is a single read default runner. Cannot throw with anticipation. Has no pocket presence. Cannot read defenses and is inaccurate.
I don't buy his full argument but I can see that Milroe has much to work on as a passer.
As an athlete and pure runner he stands alone. Again he is a tough guy to evaluate.
Honestly, at times it looks more like he throws with "too much anticipation." He had too much confidence in Ryan Williams' ability to win one on ones. Unfortunately for him, teams started getting more physical with the freshman and he struggled at times. Could have been some uncalled DPIs as well, like the end zone pick against Tennessee potentially. Looked like the DB had an arm around the waist, and slungshot himself into position.
At times, it appears, he liked his presnap read and trusted a guy to be where he was supposed to be. Young receivers can be inconsistent, though. The anticipation with the experienced guy who had been in the system seems more consistent. I believe teams have access to passer rating broken down by target and it would be interesting to see if Bernard's number is a lot higher than the others.
Making the right presnap read and hitting it only requires a "single read," and yes he shows that on tape. He can go through progressions too if given a relatively clean pocket.
Being a default runner and a decisive runner are two different things. He was their leading rusher and had 20 TDs on the ground. They called run plays for him. It's a weapon in his arsenal.
It can be hard to show pocket presence when there isn't a pocket. Could he hang in more? Sometimes, sure. But taking the 3 yards when he sees a crease in front of him to stay on schedule knowing you can possibly break it for more without risking a holding call or sack setting you back also is kind of in his skillset's wheelhouse.
You also don't have the numbers he did against Georgia if you can't read defenses.
Does he miss some passes? Sure, but he also has some with pinpoint accuracy.
Every QB has a lot to work on. The great ones keep trying to get better. Being in the same offense multiple seasons can help. Milroe didn't have that at Bama. BOB -> Rees -> DeBoer/Sheridan at OC with all new pass catchers this season.
Bond -> Texas, Niblack -> Texas, Burton -> NFL. Bernard was at Washington, Williams was in high school, Dippre was at Maryland (edit: actually the TE's second year at Bama, 11 catches in '23.)
He is a tough eval. He didn't have Jayden Daniels' environment. He wasn't in the same system with Nabers and BTJ. Still, Daniels had his detractors. "He ran too much and took bad hits." (Edit 2: Going to try to watch 2021 Arizona St film and see how they compare.)
I'm not saying he'll be Daniels, but it feels like the people taking the harshest looks at Milroe could have talked themselves out of Jayden, too.
Cam Ward is the Caleb Williams of this draft to me. Could Milroe be the Daniels? I don't know the answer. I'd rather not have someone else find out that he is.
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You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Daniels was a 5th year senior and had ~800 more college pass attempts than Milroe.
Milroe is earlier on the curve. But, I think he is further along than some think.
It probably doesn't really mean anything, but I like that he stayed at Alabama and tried to make it work in an offense that had mostly seen success with a different style of QB. He was willing to try to adjust. But he also still was willing to do the "not a QB"/"running back" stuff that is a big part of who he is.
It doesn't have to necessarily be done the same way everybody else does it.
I think there could be a path to success with where he's at now while he grows.
I really don't want to see him land in Pittsburgh. I said the same thing about Lamar. If we don't take him at 2, that's where I see him going.
Seeing Lamar twice a year, Hurts being right down the road, bringing in Fields previously, I think that's the direction Tomlin wants to go.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I will say that if we go with someone like Milroe, I hope we do get a decent veteran that has a better pocket presence who he can learn from. Then I hope we can bring him along slowly (like LJ).
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Dane Brugler of The Athletic (who creates the The Beast Draft Guide and is a Mount Union Alum). His initial Mock Draft has him slotting Abdul Carter to the Browns.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
There are some more possibilities that have entered the picture.
Matt Stafford, Derek Carr, and Gino Smith.
They are guys that decisions are pending.
Right now I cannot even guess. This draft is extremely hard to figure.
The options for veterans could change the entire draft process.
The quarterbacks in this draft could go early or get pushed down with teams feeling. "Let's take care of other positions early and look at the quarterbacks later."
The draft has always been about beauty in the eyes of the beholder.
Brugler released his first mock... here are the notable mock draft picks:
There are still plenty of unknowns at this point in the NFL calendar, including multiple teams with head coach, general manager and coordinator openings yet to be filled. Between those soon-to-be hires and the impending roster upheaval that’ll happen in free agency, team needs will fluctuate over the next three months.....
As always, this mock is based on team needs and information gathered from conversations with sources in the NFL and college football, not my personal rankings or what I believe each GM should do. There also are not any projected trades in this two-round exercise.
1. Tennessee Titans: Cam Ward, QB, Miami
2. Cleveland Browns: Abdul Carter, Edge, Penn State
3. New York Giants: Travis Hunter, CB/WR, Colorado
6. Las Vegas Raiders: Shedeur Sanders, QB, Colorado
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This week should be revealing. There will be great coverage. Dart and Milroe will be there.
There should be much to unpack and that is a good thing.
Tommy Rees made some interesting comments in his presser. He emphasized the importance of decision making.
In this draft Sanders is the guy who is considered the best decision maker.
Yet he is not by any means the most athletic guy. Milroe is the best athlete.
Ward is kinda like Winston. He is a guy who will throw it all over the field with confidence. Then he will make a decision that makes you scratch your head.
That is why this draft is so nuts.
The safe picks are Hunter and Carter.
I would be happy with trading down with the Giants and taking Carter.
Then land Milroe. Making it Hunter and Milroe would be fine by me.
I hope we can trade back a few or even several spots for the picks, but if were stuck at two Carter, Hunter, or Jeanty. I’d be good with any one of them.
One was trading down to six with the Raiders. The trade value straight up would get us a third this year and a future one.
Under that scenario Ward, Sanders, Hunter and Carter are likely gone.
Slight chance we could get Hunter or Carter but it would depend upon the Giants, Pats and Jags and what they would do.
Picking sixth we could be looking at T McMillan, Mason Graham, Ashton Jeanty.
If it came down to selecting one of those three guys who are all worthy of the 6th pick.
As much as I love Jeanty. I would not take the tackle or running back because the draft is very deep at running back and we could get one later in the draft.
Graham by all accounts is a real stud at DT. But I would have to take McMillan.
He is the best receiver in this draft. He would have the biggest impact on a struggling offense in need of more receiver impact. He would be an immediate weapon for our new QB.
I have watched McMillan closely. He is really good. I love his type. He is 6'5". He is a super smart player with mad skills.
He does it all as a receiver. What I love is his catch radius and his ability to use that radius. He snatches the ball with sure hands. He high points the ball against shorter db's. He runs clean routes. He ramps to high speed quickly. He gets open and uses his length.
I do not see any negatives in his game. Receiver money is growing large. JaMarr Chase is going to get $35. Getting a stud like McMillan for five years at a low price would help build a contending offense with more money to build the OL.
I would not like losing out on Carter or Hunter but that trade down would give us a chance to load up on more talent.
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