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You are probably right, but does that really make it any better?

Do you know what seditious conspiracy is?

To think that what happened on Jan. 6 was intended to overthrow the government is idiotic.

So they over-prosecuted many of the people.

Thanks man. Wow, Ireland, I am freaking jealous.

Also, drinking wine and port in Ireland???

I do have to commend you on the originality of your Trump nicknames. Are you trying to make each one different?

Do you?

Per Tarrio's Wikipedia page:

"The trial lasted more than three months and featured dozens of witnesses.[79] Evidence introduced at trial against Tarrio and his co-defendants included videos, thousands of messages on encrypted group chats among Proud Boys leadership, as well as public messages on Parler, from both before and on January 6.[87] Tarrio had convened a "Ministry of Self Defense" (or "MOSD") to coordinate Proud Boys leadership on January 6.[87] The chats showed that Tarrio, stationed in a Baltimore hotel room, encouraged the Proud Boys as they attacked the Capitol.[79][88] Having been barred from D.C. by a judge, Tarrio was not in D.C. during the attack.[69]

On January 6, Tarrio told his followers on social media, "Do what must be done"; later, in an encrypted group chat, he directed other Proud Boys to "Do it again." In another message, Tarrio wrote, "Make no mistake. We did this."[79] Prosecutors also introduced evidence that Tarrio had discussed with associates a plan to have a large crowd in Washington storm government buildings, a scheme that the Proud Boys dubbed "1776 Returns", in which "The Winter Palace" was used as apparent code for the US Capitol.[88]

Tarrio chose not to take the stand to testify in his own defense.[85] A key prosecution witness was former Proud Boy Jeremy Bertino, a former lieutenant of Tarrio who after the January 6 attack pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy and cooperated with the government. On the stand, Bertino implicated Tarrio and his codefendants in the conspiracy, testifying that their objective was to subvert the election results.[89][90]"

Coach B = 50 = Wizard

It's an echo chamber if they don't call Musk a Nazi? But your "sources" are fair, sound and reputable, right?? GTHOH!

And you're sold (everyone that co-signed) on Musk practicing a Nazi symbol so that it's just enough to be considered "Nazi" but just disputable enough so that many will question it, because that way...

Elon can troll you...
You can all continue the losing narrative of "Nazi, Nazi, Nazi!!"...
That will play "right into their hands"...
You realize this...
And yet you still do it!!!

Uhhh, I just can't laugh much harder, it's going to be a crazy four years. 🤣


And nobody even wants to respond to The Anti-Defamation League declaring this was simply an awkward gesture and not a Nazi salute??

SMDH

BTW, we already won in a landslide, we really don't need the votes right now. Would y'all be so kind as to shelve this for about three years and start handing us all the votes when we need them, not that it's likely we will. 🤣

WTH? Goldie?? That's been on my list for my return. That place looks amazing! Did you try their apple port dessert?

They’re so biased by Trump derangement that they are incapable of critical thinking.

It’s common to take plea deals to save your own butt, especially when public opinion (conditioned by the media) has already determined the outcome (which was a common occurrence throughout the 2000s so far. )

Nothing you typed showed sedition.

No one cared about the police that were assaulted and killed by rioters and police stations that were burned down, and cities that were taken over, by Leftist radicals. When those people are prosecuted equally, you have a point. Until then, protesting 1500 pardons, most of which involved nothing compared to the atrocities that the left committed from 2016 on etc is simple hypocrisy

Speaking of pardons. Read the following carefully.

Preemptive pardon for any OFFENCES by Jan 6 panel.

Executive Grant of Clemency
JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR.
President of the United States of America
TO ALL TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME, GREETING:
BE IT KNOWN, THAT THIS DAY, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR., PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, PURSUANT TO MY POWERS UNDER ARTICLE II, SECTION 2, CLAUSE 1, OF THE
CONSTITUTION, HAVE GRANTED UNTO
THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO SERVED ON THE
SELECT COMMITTEE TO INVESTIGATE THE JANUARY 6TH
ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES CAPITOL ("SELECT
COMMITTEE"); THE STAFF OF THE SELECT COMMITTEE, AS
PROVIDED BY HOUSE RESOLUTION 503 (117TH CONGRESS);
AND THE POLICE OFFICERS FROM THE D.C. METROPOLITAN
POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE U.S. CAPITOL POLICE WHO
TESTIFIED BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE
A FULL AND UNCONDITIONAL PARDON
FOR ANY OFFENSES against the United States which they may have committed or taken
part in arising from or in any manner related to the activities or subject matter of the Select
Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.
IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF I have hereunto signed my name and caused the seal of
the Department of Justice to be affixed.
Done at the City of Washington this 19th
day of January in the year of our Lord
Two Thousand and Twenty-Five and of the
Independence of the United States the
Two Hundred and Forty-Ninth.
i~f

😊

So visited in August with the wife and managed to find this gem - as a foodie I always try to find something a bit special when traveling when possible. Got super lucky with a last minute booking and was blown away with the food. So this time when I knew I was visiting the first thing I did was book a table for myself!! So there was an apple/port panacotta desert that I did have accompanied by a glass of the apple port ! Yes it was very good. Rossmore rock Oysters, elderflower vinegar granita with dill oil ... had those the first time and again yesterday. Just flipping absurdly good. For a main I had pan roast turbot, roast celeriac, lemon grass butter sauce and crushed baby potatoes with green cabbage !! Reading that should make you drool .... no matter if it's only breakfast time. If you get to Cork - you gotta get to this restaurant.

I didn't manage to dine there but Kinsale to the SW is supposed to be a rich culinary town with great restaurants ... pretty drive and phenominal scenary. Recomended to me and now passing on to you !

Ask Germany if it was just a wave

German Museum Removes Elon Musk Portrait Amid Controversy


https://news.artnet.com/art-world/e...UbpM4RG1h-qKA_aem_CXusTcyWzry8QHIQZPRaVw

OMG…THEY LIVE AMONG US.

No, not aliens… people who think attacking the US Capitol is ok if your guy lies about losing an election. I just can’t figure out how Trump verbally lobotomized so many Americans.

Man, your reasoning ability would fit on the pointed end of a stick pin with room to spare. Grow a brain.

j/c:

It pretty much comes down to this.....anyone that truly believes Musk was intentionally giving a Nazi salute is an absolute freaking moron.

Anyone who thinks it wasn’t an intentional outrage is a fool.

The germans are morons too because they also saw a Nazi salute.

Everyone is wrong but MAGA. sure.

I miiiiiiight know a thing or two about trials and plea deals.

Here's the thing, if you bothered to read what I sent, Tarrio, and four others, were convicted BY A JURY. After three months in trial.

But I'm glad that you know more than the jury that sat for three months. You should have been there with his defense team to show them that there was nothing that showed sedition. You could have really saved the day!


And this, my friend, is called deflection.

That's all you can do at this point. You can't defend what they do so you point the finger at those telling you about it. How weak.

It most certainly did. It's not his fault you refuse to see it.


Show us evidence that that's true. And if you can show us where they were not prosecuted for it. I'll be waiting.


They were tried and convicted for their crimes just like the rioters on Jan. 6th were. You have already been shown how the crimes committed were different and federal crimes. Different and multiple crimes committed don't get tried "equally" because they aren't the same crimes. They have programmed you well.

You know how it is. Anyone that believes what they saw is a moron. It's how they think in trumplandia.

#MoreFakeNews

"The Germans" didn't see a Nazi salute. "The Germans" is The Deutsches Museum of science and technology, or at least that's what you guys are purporting them to be. "The Germans" covered the Elon plaque in November when snowflakes were already complaining about it. "The Germans" said they decided they wouldn't honor current living pioneers because there is not enough room in the display to deal with public perception, a public perception that changes over time.


This is like the game we used to play in kindergarten... Jester whispers b.s. in Swish's ear "Ask Germany if it was just a wave", Swish whispers it in Pit's... Pit throws up on the floor and we have to send for the cherry cat litter.


Thanks for playing. Please do more of this in August of '28. 😆

At this point you're just sad to read. The intent of his actions were obvious. Even you know it. The only one spewing word vomit here is you.

Another poster astutely pointed out that Musk is all about trolling... and this could be more of the same. To me, that seems to be the least ridiculous explanation for the video.


As for your response, swastika-wearing Neo-Nazi's seemed to believe that it was a sincere nazi salute. While they are morons, I don't think that supports your argument.

Aren't they already Nazis? If they believe this was a Nazi salute, will this make them more Nazi? Not being a smartazz, I'm always genuinely curious as to what others' response is as to the "cause/ effect" argument here.

It will make them more emboldened. The same as the pardons embolden the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers to continue their lawless acts. They believe they now have the blessings of the current administration.

because they believe the symbolism is meant for them.

put it to you another way. It's like how confederate sympathizers tell people the civil war wasn't about slavery, despite the confederacy explicitly saying as much. Or how people would bring out the "well technically its not the ACTUAL confederate flag", even though every confederate sympathizer flies the same flag regardless of state.

This is tough, but put yourself in their shoes. You're a supporter of the AfD party, in you've seen Musk make post on his platform defending you and spreading your message, and you see him do this gesture on stage. How would you view the gesture?

here's even more context: Nick Fuentes, the neo nazi Trump had over to dinner, certainly thought it was a Nazi Salute.

and that's the point: it's not trying to make nazi's MORE nazi's, FATE. It's about the people unknowingly making their crap more acceptable in the open. these guys are being opening dishonest with their intent to the masses, while being very intentional to their supporters. The more benefit of doubt the public gives them, the more they can come out the shadows.


FATE, if you don't believe me, go watch a few videos on how David Duke was almost governor in 1991 Louisiana. All you need is a cleaned up look and plausible deniability, and he still managed to get 55% of the white vote. so dont take my word for it, take American history's.

Swish answered your question below, but for my part I'm really just being argumentative at this point.

Russian stae TV too.

I think you make valid points.
I think it's hard to predict future results of certain actions, but your answers pass the common sense test.
I think we all get carried away at trying to paint certain cause and effect lessons with rather mundane examples.
I think this example mostly meets that criteria but will grant you 'straw' points. "The more benefit of doubt the public gives them" can indeed become 'straws' that breaks the camel's back.

The question here is, does the unmitigated outrage, the outright refusal to believe this may have been mundane and unintentional, have a negative effect on the desired outcome because of the buzz it creates? I say probably.

My take on Elon is that he was way too "you had me at hello" when Trump came calling. And yes, he prompted that call with his money. As fubar as that is, it's something we all seem to be A-Ok with if it supports our 'side'.

Elon is much better at being the Wizard -- behind the curtain pushing buttons and shooting fire up our azzes. Somehow this Trump affiliation has prompted him to think he is some unrealized superstar and has him embracing the spotlight. Problem is, from the very first time he jumped on stage, he's looked much more like the Scarecrow... falling all over the place and looking like a fool.

You know, a lot of that makes sense. With the exception of "we all seem to be A-Ok with if it supports our 'side'."

I didn't know any other billionaire had bought himself such a powerful position in our government after donating 250 million dollars to a candidate who won the presidency. I think whether knowingly or not you created a false equivalency.

Soros donated $130 million in the midterms, brahma.

excellent take.

that being said, somebody has to rein in Elon, and that's the guy who brought him here: Trump. at what point does a man become all too powerful? When it's already too late. Elon is feeling like one of the masters of the universe. At some point, that feeling going unchecked by the masses is huge evidence that maybe he is...

And what powerful government position did he get in return? It seems that point flew right over your head even though I made it obvious. Thus the false equivalency.

It did fly over my head. Speed reading, my bad.

Trump will reign him in. I think Trump already regrets this whole thing. I also don't think he needed the money to win.

I liked this DOGE idea in the beginning, I still think it's necessary but mostly because we have to do something and this is a first step. I didn't support Obamacare because of the particulars, I supported it because we had to do something to move the right direction. Tired of empty promises and decision constipation in Washington. We should all be in favor of a DOGE if it works in a non-partisan way. Who wouldn't?

I don't love all of Ramaswamy's policy proposals, but I definitely think he's the smartest guy in any room. I think it's telling that he abandoned this "post", I think most of it is because he realizes having his mug posted next to Musk's will do him no favors in the future. So far, it looks like a wise choice. No Ramaswamy doesn't bode well for the future of DOGE.

I really love this conversation. There are so many areas I want to jump in, but I don’t know how.

With Vivek, I think he was ousted. We all knew it was going to come to a show down and Musk has the hot hand. The H1B conversation was just the justification.

Hmmmm.....

Musk and Altman trade barbs on social media after ChatGPT co-creator's White House appearance

The head of OpenAI stood alongside Trump as the president announced the new AI "Stargate" initiative.

A war-of-words between Elon Musk and Sam Altman escalated on social media Thursday, as two of the most powerful men in tech sparred over their rival artificial intelligence initiatives.

The latest exchange began after OpenAI, where Altman is CEO, was revealed as a key player in Stargate, the AI infrastructure project announced by President Donald Trump this week that is coming with a massive investment push.

“They don’t actually have the money,” Musk wrote in a long post on his social platform X about the new venture. It was not immediately clear who Musk was initially referring to, but Musk soon followed up, naming SoftBank, Stargate’s main financial backer.

“SoftBank has well under $10B secured. I have that on good authority,” he said, without elaborating. Neither Musk nor his electronic car company Tesla have publicized any formal links.

Altman responded praising Musk — “I genuinely respect your accomplishments and think you are the most inspiring entrepreneur of our time,” he wrote on X” — but called his SoftBank claim wrong.

“I realize what is great for the country isn’t always what’s optimal for your companies, but in your new role i hope you’ll mostly put [America] first,” he added, using an American flag emoji.

The spat has its roots in a pending lawsuit filed by Musk, a co-founder of OpenAI, over control of the company but was rekindled after Trump’s announcement this week that OpenAI would be part of the $500 billion Stargate initiative designed to make the U.S. a world leader in AI.

Late Wednesday and into Thursday, Musk continued to hammer Altman, repeatedly citing posts during Trump’s 2016 presidential run in which Altman appeared to denounce Trump.

By 8:30 p.m., Altman posted that he’d recently had a change of heart about the president: “watching @potus more carefully recently has really changed my perspective on him (i wish i had done more of my own thinking” he said in part. “i’m not going to agree with him on everything, but i think he will be incredible for the country in many ways!”

On Thursday morning, Altman posted, responding to Musk: “just one more mean tweet and then maybe you’ll love yourself…”

A Trump administration spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

The tit-for-tat between Musk and Altman is a sign of both the struggle within the tech community to curry favor with Trump and how the AI race is driving the push for tech dominance. If putting out new, consumer-friendly devices was once the way for a tech company to gain power, the struggle to create the most advanced form of AI has almost completely taken over.

The situation also points to the tension of Musk’s role as both a top Trump adviser and one of the world’s most powerful — and combative — business moguls. Musk has his own interest in AI through the social media platform X, which debuted Grok, its rival to OpenAI’s ChatGPT, in November.

The simmering Altman-Musk feud goes back years, well before Musk’s emergence in the U.S. political scene and even before the recent explosion of artificial intelligence technology. Companies have rushed to invest in AI infrastructure and development, so much so that it has accounted for a significant portion of recent U.S. economic growth. A Goldman Sachs paper published in June, well before the announcement of the Stargate project, projected that AI capital expenditure could top $1 trillion.

OpenAI had generally been considered the leader in AI development, though it faces major competition from other startups as well as most major tech giants that are believed to have closed the gap. That competition has made securing investments and partnerships all the more important due in large part to the sizable hardware and energy needs required to hone the models at the core of advanced AI.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...stargate-ai-project-explainer-rcna188978

It appears Altman took the high road. It'll definitely be interesting to see where the trajectories of a lot of these big personalities end up throughout the course of the next four years.

Both Trump and Elon have huge followings and I think they both rely heavily on each other, but they also are not known for getting along with people over a prolonged period of time.

I imagine some things will have to come to a head at some point.