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USA Today- "A New York judge upheld the felony conviction of President-elect Donald Trump on Friday and set sentencing for Jan. 10, but said Trump would receive no prison or probation.

Judge Juan Merchan had agreed to Trump's earlier request to postpone sentencing until after the election, but he said there is no legal reason to stop it from happening before Trump takes office again on Jan. 20.

"It is incumbent upon this Court to set this matter down for the imposition of sentence prior to Jan. 20, 2025," Merchan wrote. Merchan added that his goal is "bringing finality" to the case."

Ok- we all KNOW the truth in this case---despite the constant spin. TRUTH- Donald Trump had his lawyer- Cohen- make payments to porn "star" Stormy Davis to keep her silent before his first election- done.....but, he wanted them hidden as BUSINESS EXPENSES. Trump had his lawyer do his job, but it was against the law- Donald Trump had a fair trial in NY and was convicted. YEARS Later- the judge wants to finish the trial....So, Donald Trump can start his appeals.

Donald Trump is still fighting to even stop the sentencing.....wants to get it BEYOND his swearing in as President AGAIN.

Ain't it great- America spoke....AND....paying a porn star, calling it business expense, and being a convicted felon doesn't matter if you tell the public what it wants to hear......CHARACTER mean NOTHING.....time will tell if we chose well. Pray for all Presidents- they have an impossible job.

I, personally, love this state judge- he wants the opportunity to tell Trump why he didn't throw out his conviction----just before becoming President--- dang, it should be quite a statement.....and VERY news worthy. I know the "FAKE NEWS" folks will be all over it. Peace. Pray for Biden and Trump.

Yeah but those convictions don't count because no matter what trump does they claim it's always someone elses fault.

I guess it shows how warped the Democrats have become to lose to a convicted felon Nazi. You have to have a pretty bad message to lose to that.

LOL

AMEN- we have many ills to overcome. The Democrats gave us a President so deminished mentally he is rarely seen and attempt to cover it up by having his aides/ enablers do his job....and on the other side we get a clown who is the classic narcissist- who could or could not be a billionaire. He's been elected President TWICE- damn , we are great. Orwell told us there are some PIGS better than other PIGS--- what other citizen, who doesn't have DEEP pockets, lies about everything- business expenses, business real estate sq footage, sells Presidential EVERYTHING- coins, hats, shirts, bibles, sneakers.....does he have a Presidential Depends out yet....the next four years will be interesting....plus all his "boys and girls" wanting their cut.....hold on--- wonder if Mexico is still paying for wall?

Hope the Judge gets the chance to publically list the reasons Donald Trump is a felon. Hope the sentencing isn't delayed.

I know the only excuse you can find for helping elect a convicted felon is to blame someone else for it. But there's a fly in your ointment. You had choices that were not felons to choose from in the nomination process. But out of all of them, the 34 time convicted felon is the one you and yours chose to represent your party. But ever since trump became the leader of your party he has taught you well how everything that happens is someone elses fault so I understand the reason you have undergone such a stark metamorphosis over such a short period of time.

Christmas is just over, a New Year has just begun.....does anyone else find it strange how peaceful Jan 6, 2025 is compared to four years ago....Jan 6, 2021--- AND, how the President elect recalls that day as peaceful and honorable.

In contrast to what President-elect remembers- "A former U.S. Capitol Police officer who suffered serious injuries in the Jan. 6 insurrection reflected on his trauma and implored Donald Trump not to pardon his attackers in a New York Times op-ed marking four years since the violence.

Former Sgt. Aquilino Gonell, who left the police force in 2022 due to the mental and physical damage he sustained on Jan. 6, 2021, recalled, “I thought I was going to die and never make it home to see my wife and young son” in the article published Sunday, the eve of the anniversary.,,,,

“I sometimes wonder why I risked my life to defend our elected officials from a mob inspired by Mr. Trump, only to see him return to power stronger than ever. It’s hard to witness a rich white man get rewarded for treachery while I’m punished for fulfilling duty."

Strange how two people can see an event completely different. Wonder what Trump thinks about the people charged to protect him.....in the Sgt. case,,,not much

They don't care. They didn't then and they don't care now.

The proof doesn't really lie in the fact he was elected president as much as it does they selected him to be their nominee. Out of every candidate in the field to choose from including Nikki Haley, they selected the man who has made excuses and lied about Jan. 6th, 2020 from the very beginning and has claimed he will pardon the people who committed those acts. This was the choice of those who claim they support the police. I guess unless it is the Capital Police.

Yes, Fate, there are plenty of people with different/ and incorrect views being stated daily on TV.....thanks for trying to get off Donald's case.

Anyone looked at what Sen. Lindsey Graham, Senator Marsha Blackburn, Rep. Mike Johnson said about Jan. 6, 2021....and how they talk today about their beloved President- elect Trump---- I'll summarize---- they strongly condemned the attack to the Capital supported and encouraged by then President Trump.....I wonder four years later----AFTER a PEACEFUL transition to elected power.....wonder how they'll feel if Trump pardons hundreds of criminals on his first day.... wasn't the Republican Party known for "Law and Order".....damn, I must be slipping in my old age.

You're welcome,,,,,

That Sunny is one angry, butt hurt woman.

A bonafide racist as well.

Although when she found out her family were slave owners, slavery just became "a fact of life". When you play identity politics 24/7, eventually it bites you in the @$$. What a fraud.

Again, a good switch.....are their not racist whites....sure....are their racists of every nationality, country on this earth....yes....it proves they're human. Old saying, those of a feather flock together...and everyone has a wrong against them--- humanity.

Trump getting closer to another first- 13 days left---- reflecting on his many firsts--- remember when he stated he's just a businessman, not a politican---just want to make America Great Again----right. Remember his peaceful turnover of power in Jan of 2021......and how Reps then and now keep double speaking about his actions or lack of actions.....here is a perfect example----

"Jan. 6 was a disgrace. ... There is no question, none, that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says after he voted to acquit the former president. How do you state Trump morally responsible for the ATTACK on Capital and then vote ACQUIT......political double speak. Just like Trump walking away from tariffs and lowering food costs---now elected, forget what you promised. POLITICS.

Just came across this--- it applies to our Trump first convicted felon President- quote at end about porn star payments---- comparing Carter and Trump--stark differences....."Carter, the 39th president, was an outspoken and devout Baptist who was married to the same woman for 77 years and taught Sunday school while president and afterward. He offered this advice to Trump in 2019: “Keep the peace, promote human rights and tell the truth.”

Trump, the 45th and soon-to-be 47th president, has been married three times and was convicted of making hush money payments to cover up an extramarital affair with a porn actor."

Imagine Trump teaching Sunday school--- he loves the Bible- doesn't have any favorite verses- loves Old and New Testament the same--who make great Sunday school teacher....married to same woman for 77 years....Donald missed that terrible plight....he's promised to love forever multiple women.....other things....keep the peace--just like peaceful power transition in 2021....promote human rights- like banning Muslims and claiming most immigrants are theives and rapists-- tell the truth-- well, Donald has his own Social Media- Truth Social-- because he got kicked off others for too many lies.......Carter/Trump- two peas in same pod CHARACTER wise....right.

You edited that? And the reason was spelling??

Maybe the coffee hasn't hit yet.

Maybe Elon will make it illegal to post on any type of social media before having coffee.

I'm only half-joking, but I wouldn't put it past the guy to put it out there.

If he can get Bezos on board they could sell the heck outta some coffee detection keyboard unlockers.

I can see myself staring out the window, waiting on the Amazon truck, so I can get on DT and yell at Pit.

You really don't need it. Between yelling at me and deflection that's pretty much all you do now. Coffee or no coffee.

Trump's attorneys ask Garland to stop the release of special counsel report as his former codefendants take the matter to federal court

Attorneys for President-elect Donald Trump asked Attorney General Merrick Garland to remove special counsel Jack Smith from his post and either decline to release Smith's upcoming report detailing his investigations into the president-elect or hand over the matter to Trump's incoming administration, according to a letter released Monday.

The letter, addressed to Garland and a top career official at the Justice Department, alleged the special counsel did not have the legal authority to submit a final report summarizing his dual investigations into Trump and urged the attorney general to "put an end to this weaponization of the justice system and move forward constructively." The correspondence was written in part by defense attorneys Todd Blanche and Emile Bove, Trump's picks to serve as deputy attorney general and principal deputy attorney general in his upcoming administration.

Smith led two now-defunct investigations into the president-elect, one tied to his alleged efforts to resist the peaceful transfer of power and overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election and another based on accusations that Trump unlawfully retained sensitive government records after he left office in 2021. The probes resulted in criminal indictments against Trump, which have since been dismissed. Trump initially pleaded not guilty and denied all wrongdoing.

The classified documents case was dismissed by a federal judge in Florida who ruled in July 2024 that Garland unlawfully appointed Smith, a finding the Justice Department disputed and was appealing in the run-up to the presidential election. The 2020 election-related charges against Trump were dismissed after Trump was reelected. The special counsel wrote that Justice Department policy forbids the prosecution of a sitting president.

Federal regulations dictate that upon the completion of any special counsel probe, the investigative team is to submit a report detailing its findings to the attorney general for review. Garland has previously pledged to publicly release all special counsel reports completed under his tenure and so far kept to that promise, including after a separate special counsel, Robert Hur, submitted his findings about President Biden's handling of classified records. Mr. Biden's legal team raised objections to the attorney general over characterizations in that report, which were rebuffed by Justice Department officials when the complete findings — including characterizations of Mr. Biden's age — were publicly released.

Smith has been working on a final report to be completed before Trump's inauguration, sources familiar with the matter confirmed to CBS News. Following its submission, the special counsel is expected to resign as other independent prosecutors have done, the sources said.

In Monday's letter, Trump's attorneys revealed that they reviewed a draft of Smith's report over the last few days at the special counsel's office and raised objections, arguing the preparation of a report would violate federal law related to official appointments and presidential transitions.

"Because Smith has proposed an unlawful course of action, you must countermand his plan and remove him promptly. If Smith is not removed, then the handling of his report should be deferred to President Trump's incoming attorney general, consistent with the expressed will of the People," Trump's attorneys wrote. They also said they would seek legal recourse should Garland deny their requests.

Should Garland opt to hand over the report to Trump's incoming Justice Department for consideration, as the letter suggested, much of the decision-making could fall to the president-elect's current defense team who will hold key leadership positions within the department, and his selection for attorney general, former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi.

The Justice Department declined to comment.

The letter to the attorney general was included as an exhibit in a simultaneous effort by Trump's former codefendants in the classified documents case to ask a court to intervene and stop the release of the special counsel's report.

Trump aide Walt Nauta and former Mar-a-Lago employee Carlos de Oliveira asked Judge Aileen Cannon to stop the release of the report, arguing they would "suffer harm as civilian casualties" to the case. The pair were charged alongside Trump as part of an alleged effort to obstruct the classified documents probe. Both men pleaded not guilty and in Monday's letter accused Smith of improper motivations.

While Smith dropped his appeal of the case against Trump citing Justice Department policy, he opted to keep going with the appeal in Nauta and de Oliveira's case in an effort to reverse the legal precedent created by Cannon's ruling that Smith was unlawfully appointed.

On Monday, attorneys for the men turned to Cannon, urging her to step in and stop the special counsel from completing his report. They alleged such a move would be improper after the judge had previously dismissed the case. They also contended any public release could affect the ongoing appeal and infringe on the defendants' rights.

"The Final Report is meant to serve as a Government verdict against the Defendants contrary to all criminal justice norms and constitutional guideposts," the attorneys wrote. "The filing of such a report, by an unauthorized person, is clearly improper in this context and will cause grave harm given the pendency of criminal proceedings, now on appeal, at counsel Smith's own insistence."

A spokesperson for Smith declined to comment.

The news comes days after a top lieutenant to the special counsel, Jay Bratt, retired from the Justice Department. Bratt, a 34-year federal prosecutor and former head of the Justice Department's counterintelligence section, played a key role in the origins of the classified documents probe and went on to prosecute the case against Trump as part of Smith's team.

While no date has been publicly announced for the release of Smith's report, the defense attorneys asked Cannon to issue a ruling by Friday.

In response to the court filing, the special counsel said that while his team is "working to finalize" a two-volume report to hand in to Garland, the attorney general will commit to not releasing it to the public until at least Friday at 10 a.m. to give the court time to rule.

"The Attorney General has not yet determined how to handle the report volume pertaining to this case," the Justice Department said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...se-of-special-counsel-jack-smith-report/

"See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"...... of trump.

I think it’s pretty damning that Trump doesn’t want the report released? I’m pretty sure they had the goods on all of them.

Fate has an edit fetish, because he’s so perfect… He was on me for editing too, because he has no life and less clue. But I forgive him, life must be wondrously inexplicable with his IQ. Only dude I’ve ever seen get so weird about editing. Makes me wonder if an editor touched him inappropriately at some point… weird.

Show me with your mouth.

What? Know idea what your are saying. Just grunt it out, I’ll use AI to decipher.

*No

Exactly what I thought… nada.

Fate, so I posted and fixed some spelling errors-- that's significant....WOW.

Back on subject- comments by a judge of over 40 years-----and his response to our felon President-elect. We had four years of lies and BS, now we get another four years---- at least.
""Total B.S. that, as [New York Times investigative reporter] Susanne [Craig] could tell you, she's she's done the encyclopedia in her book 'Lucky Loser,' where Donald Trump has been adept," said George Grasso, a retired New York City judge. "I mean, he's 78 years old, but going back to when he was in his 20s, he can take one disastrous situation after another, and he tries to spin it into a victory, and he just pounded the table harder the more he's in the corner. That's exactly what he's doing now. But speaking as a retired judge for almost 13 years and an attorney for over 40 years, from a legal point of view, everything that he said is B.S."

Our soon to be President- lied about business expense, lied about relationship with porn star, lied he did nothing wrong.....and our system of justice lets the billionaire off because he has MONEY. Sad.

ABC News
Jack Smith, in final report, says voters saved Trump from being convicted in Jan. 6 case
KATHERINE FAULDERS, ALEXANDER MALLIN, PIERRE THOMAS, PETER CHARALAMBOUS and LUCIEN BRUGGEMAN
Tue, January 14, 2025 at 2:25 AM EST·7 min read
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Special counsel Jack Smith's final report lays out in no uncertain terms federal prosecutors' position that Donald Trump -- who is set to be inaugurated president in less than a week -- would have been convicted on multiple felonies for his alleged efforts to unlawfully overturn the results of the 2020 election, had voters not decided to send him back to the White House in the 2024 election.

That was one of the primary conclusions included in Smith's final report on his election interference investigation, which the Justice Department released early Tuesday morning after a federal judge, late Monday night, cleared the way for the report's release.

The report lays out the probe that resulted in Trump being charged in 2023 with four felony counts of undertaking a "criminal scheme" to overturn the results of the 2020 election in an effort to subvert democracy and remain in power. Trump pleaded not guilty to all charges.

The case, as well as Smith's classified documents case against Trump, was dropped following Trump's reelection in November due to a longstanding Justice Department policy prohibiting the prosecution of a sitting president.

"The Department's view that the Constitution prohibits the continued indictment and prosecution of a President is categorical and does not turn on the gravity of the crimes charged, the strength of the Government's proof, or the merits of the prosecution, which the Office stands fully behind," the report said. "Indeed, but for Mr. Trump's election and imminent return to the Presidency, the Office assessed that the admissible evidence was sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction at trial."

After conducting interviews with 250 witnesses voluntarily, calling 55 people to testify before the grand jury, executing dozens of subpoenas and search warrants, and sifting through a terabyte of publicly accessible data, Smith's team concluded they could convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump committed multiple federal crimes when he attempted to overturn the election, the report said.

"The throughline of all of Mr. Trump's criminal efforts was deceit -- knowingly false claims of election fraud -- and the evidence shows that Mr. Trump used these lies as a weapon to defeat a federal government function foundational to the United States' democratic process," the report said.

For the first time, the report shed light on the internal deliberations of the prosecutors who sought to prove that Trump "engaged in an unprecedented criminal effort" while navigating the uncharted legal territory of charging a former president.

While prosecutors considered charging Trump with violating the Insurrection Act, Smith wrote that he opted against the approach because of the "litigation risk that would be presented by employing this long-dormant statute." According to the report, prosecutors worried that Trump's actions did not amount to an insurrection because he was already in power -- rather than challenging a sitting government -- when the riot took place. Smith also noted that his office did not obtain "direct evidence" of Trump's "intent to cause the full scope of the violence that occurred on January 6."

Smith also noted that the case against Trump presented unique challenges, including Trump's "ability and willingness" to use social media to target witnesses, courts, and prosecutors with "threats and harassment." Like any other case involving a conspiracy, prosecutors also expressed concerns about convincing witnesses to cooperate while the defendant still exerted influence and command over his alleged co-conspirators.

"That dynamic was amplified in this case given Mr. Trump's political and financial status, and the prospect of his future election to the presidency," the report said.

Despite those concerns, Smith's report laid out how prosecutors planned to rebut Trump's expected arguments to secure a conviction, laying out a play-by-play for how a trial would have proceeded had Trump lost the election.

If the former president argued that he acted in good faith when he claimed there was election fraud, prosecutors would present "strong proof" that Trump himself knew his claims of fraud were false. The report noted that Trump repeatedly noted in private how he lost the election, including berating Vice President Mike Pence for being "too honest" to challenge the results, telling his family "you still have to fight like hell" even if he lost the election, and remarking to a staffer, "Can you believe I lost to this f'ing guy?" after seeing Biden on television.

"This was not a case in which Mr. Trump merely misstated a fact or two in a handful of isolated instances. On a repeated basis, he and co-conspirators used specific and knowingly false claims of election fraud," the report said.

If Trump argued he was following the advice of his lawyers, prosecutors planned to present evidence showing that his lawyers were acting as accomplices to the crime, preventing Trump from legally being able to employ the argument.

And if Trump argued that he was just using his First Amendment right when he challenged the election, prosecutors planned to highlight that Trump employed his statements to commit other crimes, including using false statements to defeat a government function, obstruct an official proceeding, and injure the right to vote.

"The Office was cognizant of Mr. Trump's free speech rights during the investigation and would not have brought a prosecution if the evidence indicated he had engaged in mere political exaggeration or rough-and-tumble politics," the report said. "The conduct of Mr. Trump and co-conspirators, however, went well beyond speaking their minds or contesting the election results through our legal system."

In the report, Smith also detailed multiple interviews with various so-called "fake electors" who he said sought to cast votes for Trump -- and admitted they would not have done so "had they known the true extent of co-conspirators' plans."

Smith told how investigators obtained Signal messages where "Co-Conspirator 4" -- previously identified by ABC News as former DOJ official Jeffrey Clark -- sent a message to Rep. Scott Perry saying he had received a highly classified briefing on foreign interference in the 2020 election that "yielded nothing" to support allegations of a stolen election.

"Bottom line is there is nothing helpful to P," Clark's message said, according to the report.

The report cites the handwritten notes of former Vice President Mike Pence that the special counsel obtained, about which Smith wrote, "In repeated conversations, day after day, Mr. Trump pressed Mr. Pence to use his ministerial position as President of the Senate to change the election outcome, often by citing false claims of election fraud as justification; he even falsely told Mr. Pence that the 'Justice Department [was] finding major infractions.'"

Regarding the House select committee's investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, the report said that probe only "comprised a small part of the Office's investigative record, and any facts on which the Office relied to make a prosecution decision were developed or verified through independent interviews and other investigative steps."

Volume One of Smith's final report was released to the public early Tuesday after U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, following a weeklong court battle, ruled Monday that the Justice Department could release it.

Trump's former co-defendants in his classified documents case, longtime aide Walt Nauta and staffer Carlos De Oliveira, had sought to block the release of both the classified documents volume and the Jan. 6 volume, but Cannon -- who last year dismissed the classified documents case -- allowed the public release of the Jan. 6 volume after determining that its contents have no bearing on the evidence or charges related Nauta and De Oliveira in their ongoing case.

After conferring with Smith, Garland determined that he would not publicly release Volume Two pertaining to the classified documents investigation because Nauta and De Oliveira's cases were technically still on appeal.

In the classified documents case, Trump pleaded not guilty in 2023 to 40 criminal counts related to his handling of classified materials after leaving the White House, after prosecutors said he repeatedly refused to return hundreds of documents containing classified information. The former president, along with Nauta and De Oliveira, pleaded not guilty in a superseding indictment to allegedly attempting to delete surveillance footage at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate.

Smith resigned as special prosecutor on Friday after wrapping up the cases and submitting his report to Garland.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/doj-provides-congress-jack-smiths-054304727.html

gotta love the conservatives who say "no one is above the law" electing a guy to ensure he is absolutely above the law. This country not only condoned, but encouraged his actions. I thought that type of blind loyalty existed in dictatorships and monarchies.

For all the accusations and rhetoric surrounding Obama acting like a king, I have to wonder if conservatives are happy that their actions led to them anointing Trump that exact title: King.

They gave this man everything. no legal fines are coming out of his pockets, he has full immunity thanks to the Supreme Court, and he never has to worry about jail time or a criminal record affecting his lifestyle. Most of his assets will remain in his name during the presidency, AGAIN like his first term. he will double dip on taxpayers funding his lifestyle by leaders around the world going to Mara Lago at times instead of the White House, which forces the secret service to spend more tax payer money protecting a private business/mansion. And since this is his 2nd term, he isn't concerned with accountability with his base because the very based enabled all of this to begin with.

and the wealthy are still gonna replace Americans with immigrants. Because Trump also replaced Americans with immigrants at his mansion, and conservative Americans rewarded him for that. He lied straight to their faces about the 2020 election, and they rewarded him for that.

The party of law and order strikes again. It doesn't apply to the police if you were a Capital Police officer on Jan. 6th and it certainly doesn't apply to trump. It appears they believe in "selective law and order."

It doesnt matter.

Like the Republican supporting Robert Mueller before him, Jack Smith will be vilified as a Trump and USA hating politically motivated individual. Much easier to do that and dismiss him and the report than accept certain facts.

End of the day they won't ever care.

Suddenly not much counterpoint/debate in this thread.

The hush money trial was a joke all the way around
Should have been a misdemeanor and a large fine

Jan 6th was as serious as it gets.
"They" try to argue that it wasn't
Clearly drunk on the kool-aid

They cannot argue against the facts of what happened or why, so they choose to ignore it
Maybe "they" will a post a stupid meme that they think rebuts everything
"They" will then act all high and mighty about it

There is nothing to debate.

So you're gtg with the guy that attempted a coup?


I agree that there's nothing to be done about it now... but on a board where we've gone MONTHS talking about QB hand size, I find it funny that people don't want to engage on a topic like this.

Oober, I would like to encourage you, strongly encourage you to continue this campaign for the next four years, right into the 2028 presidential campaign. Shout it from the rooftops. “Trump convicted felon!!”Get some of your leftie buds to become street corner evangelists. Obviously it should be a major part of that campaign!!
Of course the lefty dems did that in 2024 campaign. If I heard that phrase one in the months leading up to the election I heard it 100 times!

Sadly for you lefty dems most Americans were way too smart. They could see what was obvious . It was a sham political trial, completely bogus and not worthy of consideration. But don’t let that discourage you. Keep at it! That will allow most Americans to see that dems still are off their rockers when it comes to Donald Trump.

If I could offer a couple of other suggestions for your activities the next four years, I think you should continue aggressively with the whole Trump voters are nazis and our president is Adolph Hitler. Man that is a powerful powerful argument. Don’t be discouraged that Americans took this whole position and threw it in the trashcan. Most of us saw that as just another reflection of how insane lefty dems have become.

Since I am passing out advice a couple of other thoughts. You need to keep telling Americans that having a secure border is not really important and that all those people pouring in basically unvetted are just good plain folks. People that make us a better country. I’m sure you can figure out a way to make people forget about the rapes and murders committed by some of those “good folks”. Forget about the ms 13 gang members who came across. The Venezuelan gang members who came across. So continuing the dem desire to keep people coming is a goal to pursue.

On that line telling Americans who believe we should control our border, who believe you should have to show you are who you say you are and are an American citizen that they are racist people will make a real impression on most Americans.

So if you all can push these policies/narratives I will be glad to come here and express my deep appreciation in November of 2028 for helping elect J D Vance the 48th president of the USA.

Nobody convicted trump but a jury based on the facts and evidence that was presented to them. It is sad however that some have bought into a fake reality. And there's nothing about buying into that trumpian BS that is smart. And it would be like people such as yourself to elect Vance. He doesn't believe in following the law or following decisions from the court either......


Hire only people that are loyal to trump. Not loyal to the constitution. Not to the rule of law. But loyal to trump. The same thing every dictator expects from his subjects.

The court of law used to mean something to Republicans. Now it only matters when they get the results they want.