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Anything related to the topic of Bob Dylan is for me an obligation.

Of course I will see this movie. It has gotten good reviews but I would see it anyway.

From the first time I heard Dylan I became an instant fan. No warm-up period needed.

He was different. He sang songs that were like guidelines for life.

Dylan won the Nobel Prize for Literature. No musician has ever done that because nobody writes lyrics like Bob Dylan.

He stands alone for his influence on other musicians and his impact on American music.

This movie covers his first four years after arriving in NY from Minnesota.

My sister got me a book the size of a phone book on Dylan. I read it cover to cover. I have listened to and read solo every song he has written.

I am still amazed that after 62 years of listening to Dylan that his lyrics still astound me.

So hell yes I will see this movie.

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Have you ever noticed a similar singing style between Dylan and Bowie? I made the connection once and I am convinced its not a coincidence. They did have Mick Ronson as a guitar player. I once hung out for the most of the night with Rob Stoner, chance encounter at a bar. He was Dylans stage manager and guitar player. If anyone has a copy of Stoners Patriotic Duty album. I really need digitized a copy.


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ROB STONER: patriotic duty MCA 12" LP 33 RPM

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I cannot say I hear a similar singing style between Bowie and Dylan.

Dylan's voice changed over time so much. If you play early Dylan and later Dylan does not sound the same at all.

Dylan and his voice has somehow always seemed to fit whatever the lyrics are.

I just hear Dylan.

When someone covers Dylan say Hendrix it is a different song. Dylan does not sing his own songs the same way.


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I think there was an episode or two of the newer Dr. Who on early Bob Dylan. His music, his looks, cameos, and portrayals are all over that series.

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Side note: I was amazed to learn about how big an influence Dylan was on Hendrix. Jimi has a couple really interesting Dylan numbers on his Jimi Hendrix Film album. One of my faves is "Like a Rolling Stone." It is amazing how much Dylan comes through.


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I certainly appreciate Dylan's contribution to music and especially his song writing. But at my age I was just a little late for that party. During my time growing up it was more CSNY for me. I certainly plan to watch the movie when it comes to streaming. One of the trailers show him and Pete Seeger together. I'm sure it will be an interesting and educational venture into the early career of Dylan.


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Jimi's version of "All Along the Watchtower" is absolute fire.

Jimi was in awe of Dylan as a songwriter.

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Hendrix made that song his own. As he did with most of his covers.

Dylan influences many: I hear him in Tom Petty’s voice, the Byrds, and as Steve Earle once said, all of them from that generation were trying to be the next Dylan. But he hasn’t written a great song for 50 years, not that I’ve heard.

There’s a LIFE magazine special issue that just came out calling Dylan “America’s Greatest Songwriter”, and I’d suggest that Springsteen, Billy Joel, Hank Williams and Cole Porter might have a thing to say about that.

I’d take Springsteen’s catalogue - and Joel’s - over Bob’s any day of the week.
JMHO.

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Each to their own.

I guess "LIFE'" has their point of view.

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https://www.rollingstone.com/interactive/lists-100-greatest-songwriters/

https://americansongwriter.com/the-10-greatest-songwriters-or-songwriting-teams-of-all-time/

There is never room for personal debates in music because each person listens to what moves them.

Lists compiled by whoever establishes their criteria.

One point of view differs from others and that is the Nobel Prize for Literature.

That is because literature includes all forms of writing.

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I most certainly agree with you. I also think it is connected with the time period in your life in which you grew up and lived. The music of our own time period directly connects you with the things that were most relative to you and the memories you associate with that music.

I do look back at music that was somewhat before my time. Dylan is one such artist. And while I greatly appreciate his song writing because the lyrics are fantastic and he brought about an awareness like none other in his time period, there is no direct connection to the time period of which I grew up.

I would venture to guess if I were 10 years older I would have a much greater love for Dylan than I already do.


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I have personal favorites.

People like Neil Young, Paul Simon, Tom Waits, Randy Newman, Keith and Mick, Lennon, Van Morrison, Becker and Fagen, Bob Marley, Tom Petty, Joni Mitchell.

However, Dylan stands alone because his lyrics can stand on their own as poetry.

In addition he could write songs like Hurricane and the soundtrack to Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid that fit the story and time.

Reading Dylan songs on their own one is struck by the poetry and how the words fit.

Darkness at the break of noon
Shadows even the silver spoon
The handmade blade, the child's balloon
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
There is no sense in trying

[Verse 2]
Pointed threats they bluff with scorn
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fool's gold mouthpiece the hollow horn
Plays wasted words, proves to warn
That he not busy being born
Is busy dying

[Verse 3]
Temptation's page flies out the door
You follow, find yourself at war
Watch waterfalls of pity roar
You feel to moan, but unlike before
You discover that you'd just be one more
Person crying

I read a lot and always have. English was my first major in college. I really appreciate the written word.

I can pull up Dylan song lyrics and be stunned by the "how" of writing like that. We all have access to the same words. How does one person fit words together like that?

Dylan stands alone IMO.

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I have personal favorites. like Paul Simon
Have you ever seen sounds of silence by disturbed?


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And as you yourself stated.....
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Originally Posted by bonefish
Jimi's version of "All Along the Watchtower" is absolute fire.

Jimi was in awe of Dylan as a songwriter.

I never liked either one of them. I am not saying that to dis anyone, the musicians or those who like them. Just a matter of musical preference.


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I liked, and still listen occasionally, to Simon and Garfunkel singing this song.

With that said, Disturbed took it to a new, raw level. I love this song by Disturbed.

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Bob Dylan is a great / superb lyric writer. As a musician he is very average.

That does not matter. Very few can put words and melody together at that level.

Those that can are very special. Some have a band that makes them really special.

Bruce has a great band. The Beatles were a great band. I can actually say that the Stones, Zepplin, Eagles, Beach Boys and Van Halen were great bands.

There are many others but true greatness is not the work of one but a collaboration.


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I saw the movie yesterday.

I really enjoyed it. Timothee Chalamet was outstanding. It took five years of his life.

The other actors were right there. A well crafted movie of a complex character during a defining period of history.

The movie only covers from 1961 to 1965. I graduated from high school in 1965. So, it was a time I remember well.

The music was great and you cannot escape from the lyrics.

I do not know how younger people react to Dylan. In some ways we are all a product of our times. So, younger folks if there is an interest go see it. If not that is ok.

I read a lot of historical fiction. It always makes me wonder about the lives of people who lived during different periods of time.

I am thankful and feel fortunate to have been born when I was. I would not trade it for any other time in history.

Dylan was a part of my history.

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