If a player is on the IL or PUP, does that affect his cap hit at all?
No. Well.. not unless there are bonuses involved. Can't get performance bonuses if you can't perform. Then that money is likely reclaimed in the subsequent year.
Like I said in all roster decisions Berry has the final say.
He is the GM and has managed the cap, traded for players, signed free agents, and is responsible for the draft.
The DW deal was over his pay grade for many reasons. Start with the contract. Then the impact of the image on the franchise regarding the sexual assault allegations and suspension.
It was Haslam and his wife who had to address the media. They had to tell the public about a second chance.
He was all in or he could have been all out and the deal would not have happened.
So what's the exact dollar amount you claim that Haslam takes over the decision making and it suddenly becomes "above AB's pay grade"? The Garrett contract? The Ward contract?
What you are suggesting is that Haslam trusts AB to do the job he hired him to do only when you think that applies. Only to a certain made up point of morality or dollar amount that you have deemed somehow to be the ceiling. Than all bets are off and Haslam owns it?
He is either all in or all out on every player contract the Browns sign when he writes the checks. This isn't the first "second chance" speech the Browns have made or did you forget about Kareem Hunt?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Whatever the process in the end Haslam had to put his seal on the contract.
That approval IMO does not come into play for anyone else on the team only the DW deal.
That makes the decision his.
I don’t think so because any normal decision process should have the following steps.
First the FO make their selection process, then the due diligence, and after that the GM gives his recommendation to the owners before starting a trading process involving $230M. It’s the general manager who makes the decision that the Browns should trade for Watson, the owner decision is to approve the financial package.
If the GM had recommended another QB with similar costs then the decision to change QB is still his(the GM), not the owners. The owners only have to consider if they approve the investment or not. The owners decision is never about the name of the player, only about the total cost of his salary.
If the owners don’t trust the recommendation they get then they have to find a new GM. They can’t have a leadership that they don’t trust.
If you’re right we don’t need a GM. Either you have trust or you don’t. There’s no middle ground in executive management.
if we cant cut him, and we end up not drafting a QB due to draft slot or risk, then i cant imagine Watson just being deactivated every game. especially when whoever the QB is starts playing bad.
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Frank, are you aware of any "clawback" conditions built into DW's contract, or grounds for getting relief financially or voiding provisions? This might need to be a real target goal. Just not knowing the conditions in his agreement.
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Frank, are you aware of any "clawback" conditions built into DW's contract, or grounds for getting relief financially or voiding provisions? This might need to be a real target goal. Just not knowing the conditions in his agreement.
As far as I understand it the team is on the hook unless he does something to void the contract, such as more massage shenanigans. The only real control the team has is how they spread it on a cut. Post June 1st is two big numbers, pre June 1st is a gigantic number that is untenable. It would eat like half of the cap space or some such. Letting the contract play out is the more tenable capwise, at least for now, but it just sucks to have him around.
Frank, are you aware of any "clawback" conditions built into DW's contract, or grounds for getting relief financially or voiding provisions? This might need to be a real target goal. Just not knowing the conditions in his agreement.
As far as I understand it the team is on the hook unless he does something to void the contract, such as more massage shenanigans. The only real control the team has is how they spread it on a cut. Post June 1st is two big numbers, pre June 1st is a gigantic number that is untenable. It would eat like half of the cap space or some such. Letting the contract play out is the more tenable capwise, at least for now, but it just sucks to have him around.
I suspect there will be no rush to get Watson to camp as neither party will be motivated to rush a return. Given the date of the injury and expected typical recovery, I anticipate the Browns put him on the PUP and ultimately the IR. This helps with the Browns books and Watson can save a little face and not return to a place he is despised. It's a situation that the Browns and Watson's camp can reasonably sell to the media and public. A win-win in losing situation.
What is the timetable for his recovery? It may well play a role in all this. I wonder what the insurance policy looks like for next year if Watson can't play.
Watson had surgery on Oct. 24th. The timetable is whatever narrative the Browns and Watson's team want it to be. Call it one year. That's Late October 2025. There is your PUP list designation. After being removed from the PUP list he would have a five week window to begin practicing. Once/if he practices the team has 21 days to activate him to the active roster. At this point, the season is on the back nine and he can be put on the IR. Just say his injury is not responding as much as we would like and it's in the best interest of Deshaun and the Browns to shut him down for the year. The best outcome for everyone.
Thanks, Frank. Still seems mysterious as far as terms IMO.
I want to offer a valid insight as we try to move forward out of this hot mess: What we most need in place is responsible due diligence over contracts and terms. Our lousy judgement is crippling the organization far worse than the for - crap play DW inflicted on us. Get him out. This acceptable sell plan will immediately run headfirst into Myles Garrett's presser. I found it devastating to imagine the Browns without Garrett, reflecting on what this year would have been without his over-achievement, especially in light of keeping a DW or Newsome or some others we could name (it is a LIST). Softsoaping this situation to the public will have no place in a MG solution. Hard fact: Probably should be traded; if he insists on leaving, cash him out. He deserves better; this organization doesn't. How to fail in football without hardly trying.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Jimmy Haslam should have Peyton Manning give his honest opinion when we draft a QB. He should tell AB right out Peyton will help us pick our future QB. PM knows something about QB play and if he's close with JH why not use his knowledge?
I've been saying that Berry needs help judging "football talent" for some time now.
If it takes input via family relationships between the Manning family and the Haslams, so be it.!
If the Browns decide to hire someone as an assistant GM, with experience judging football talent, so be it. I prefer this option... The Browns Draft Team needs help at judging talent at more than just the QB position.
Whatever the process in the end Haslam had to put his seal on the contract.
That approval IMO does not come into play for anyone else on the team only the DW deal.
That makes the decision his.
The GM is the one who started the deal.
Just because Haslam signs the checks doesn't mean he made the deal.
When you say "started", you must mean talked to Watson's agent. Because in Cleveland and 31 other cities, that's as far as this process would go without a stamp of approval from ownership. And ownership, in all 32 cities, would be involved every step of the way. No GM is negotiating the largest contract, building one of the largest packages of assets, and signing a QB with 22 sexual assault allegations by himself. Not yesterday, not today, not ever.
Whatever the process in the end Haslam had to put his seal on the contract.
That approval IMO does not come into play for anyone else on the team only the DW deal.
That makes the decision his.
The GM is the one who started the deal.
Just because Haslam signs the checks doesn't mean he made the deal.
When you say "started", you must mean talked to Watson's agent. Because in Cleveland and 31 other cities, that's as far as this process would go without a stamp of approval from ownership. And ownership, in all 32 cities, would be involved every step of the way. No GM is negotiating the largest contract, building one of the largest packages of assets, and signing a QB with 22 sexual assault allegations by himself. Not yesterday, not today, not ever.
And still they signed the deal …..
Do you see the absurdity in this? Your sentence alone is enough to immediately back off. Just read your own words.
Largest contract. Largest package of assets. 22 sexual assault allegations.
If Andrew Berry don’t have the cohones to say no under such conditions and don’t understand what consequences that can follows then his IQ is below room temperature. . The same goes for Kevin Stefanski.
Calling them Dumb and Dumber is an understatement. How f***ing stupid can you be?
Whatever the process in the end Haslam had to put his seal on the contract.
That approval IMO does not come into play for anyone else on the team only the DW deal.
That makes the decision his.
The GM is the one who started the deal.
Just because Haslam signs the checks doesn't mean he made the deal.
When you say "started", you must mean talked to Watson's agent. Because in Cleveland and 31 other cities, that's as far as this process would go without a stamp of approval from ownership. And ownership, in all 32 cities, would be involved every step of the way. No GM is negotiating the largest contract, building one of the largest packages of assets, and signing a QB with 22 sexual assault allegations by himself. Not yesterday, not today, not ever.
And still they signed the deal …..
Do you see the absurdity in this? Your sentence alone is enough to immediately back off. Just read your own words.
Largest contract. Largest package of assets. 22 sexual assault allegations.
If Andrew Berry don’t have the cohones to say no under such conditions and don’t understand what consequences that can follows then his IQ is below room temperature. . The same goes for Kevin Stefanski.
Calling them Dumb and Dumber is an understatement. How f***ing stupid can you be?
So, Berry is supposed to tell Haslam no? Are you listening to yourself??
What you just typed is a glowing endorsement for everything I've said since the trade: that Haslam was the driving force. And my proof has remained entrenched in the fact that Berry still hasn't been fired. And I pointed out his insulation on day one as well. When people said Berry just put his job on the line I argued he did no such thing.
Berry and Stefanski followed through on Haslam's objective. It was easy because they knew they would be insulated. It was also easy because all three were drunk on Haslam's Delusions of Grandeur and thought the only hangover would be after an upcoming Super Bowl win.
I clearly asked you for some type of specifics which you failed to provide. Haslam relies on the experts he has hired to do the very jobs it takes to base a decision on. To do the background checks, to study the film and make the recommendations. The reason he hired them is because he trusts them to do their jobs. Every contract and player on the Browns is due to a contract that Haslam agreed to pay based on those recommendations. The DW situation is no different.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
So, Berry is supposed to tell Haslam no? Are you listening to yourself??
What you just typed is a glowing endorsement for everything I've said since the trade: that Haslam was the driving force. And my proof has remained entrenched in the fact that Berry still hasn't been fired. And I pointed out his insulation on day one as well. When people said Berry just put his job on the line I argued he did no such thing.
Berry and Stefanski followed through on Haslam's objective. It was easy because they knew they would be insulated. It was also easy because all three were drunk on Haslam's Delusions of Grandeur and thought the only hangover would be after an upcoming Super Bowl win.
Thanks for proving my point.
Berry should have advised Haslam that it was a bad deal. Once Haslam was set on it he really only had three options:
1. Make the deal even if he has to hold his nose. 2. Refuse and suffer the repercussions, including termination. 3. Lose the fax and get the trade in too late.
The person with the final say is the decision maker.
So it's your opinion that Haslam should have ignored the people he pays millions and millions of dollars to do their jobs? Haslam didn't do the background check on DW. Haslam isn't the man who did the investigation into DW's situation. Haslam isn't the one who was in charge of getting to the bottom of why Houston didn't play DW his entire last season there.
He pays people to do those jobs which they did. Now if your claim were that Haslam is responsible for having hired people that did a poor job in that department I would agree with you. But all of this information is brought to Haslam by those very people. Their findings and recommendations are all Haslam has to base a decision on. He doesn't have some secret ability to see into the future. The bottom line is Haslam is either all in on the people he depends on to make these recommendations or he doesn't. And if you don't think you can depend on them you don't hire them and put them in charges of accumulating that information and presenting it to you.
Haslam trusted that the information people in charge of doing those jobs provided him.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
This would be the same Haslam who ignored his people in charge and decided the team should:
1. Draft Manziel at the request of some "homeless guy" (more likely himself). 2. Ignore Sashi B's recommendation for HC (McDermott) and hire Hubris Jackson. 3. Keep Clueless Hue on when The Doof wanted to send him packing.
So, Berry is supposed to tell Haslam no? Are you listening to yourself??
What you just typed is a glowing endorsement for everything I've said since the trade: that Haslam was the driving force. And my proof has remained entrenched in the fact that Berry still hasn't been fired. And I pointed out his insulation on day one as well. When people said Berry just put his job on the line I argued he did no such thing.
Berry and Stefanski followed through on Haslam's objective. It was easy because they knew they would be insulated. It was also easy because all three were drunk on Haslam's Delusions of Grandeur and thought the only hangover would be after an upcoming Super Bowl win.
Thanks for proving my point.
Berry should have advised Haslam that it was a bad deal. Once Haslam was set on it he really only had three options:
1. Make the deal even if he has to hold his nose. 2. Refuse and suffer the repercussions, including termination. 3. Lose the fax and get the trade in too late.
What if Berry was not the one who really had Haslam's ear?
Andrew Berry, the general manager and executive vice president of football operations for the Cleveland Browns, is due $15 million in the upcoming year.
Andrew Berry, the general manager and executive vice president of football operations for the Cleveland Browns, is due $15 million in the upcoming year.
You need new AI. That one is broke. His last reported salary was around $3M.
GM salary estimates around the NFL are around $3M-$4M per year.
You see there are 32 GM and head coaching positions in the NFL.
32 jobs in the world.
Saying no is not balls. Saying no is stupidity.
In 2020 he signed a contract worth 3,3m/year according to CBS sports. Even with a pay rise in 2024 I highly doubt he got more than 4m/year.
I assume he has some result oriented clauses that will affect the exact sum he receives. Maybe there’s even a clause to void his contract if results go totally south.
The last part is speculation from my side but I have seen such contracts in other sport businesses.
Bottom line. If Jimmy get to much negative comments when he have his daily lunch on his Country Club he will sooner or later sack him. He wants peace and quiet when he eats his Waldorf sallad.
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