DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will... pt 39

Yet it was trump who stated plainly that he loved the uneducated. So DeWine and all the local Republican officials in Springfield aren't "trumpian enough" for you? No surprise there. And someone was "using DeWine"? I don't even think you can hear yourself.

Yes, the border is so closely connected to Springfield, Ohio. So what you're actually saying is if the border had been more secure Trump, Vance and his cronies wouldn't have had to spread a crazy lie about eating people's pets? Yes, others forced them to lie!

They are here under temporary legal status. Trump wants to repeal that to make many who are now here legally become illegal. Then deport them...............

Trump says he would revoke Temporary Protected Status for Haitian migrants in Springfield if elected

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/03/politics/trump-revoke-status-ohio-haitian-migrants/index.html

I do not know any personally but a news search can pull dozens who were killed, injured or raped by these illegals. How many is too many?? When would you say enough? Or would these actions be fine with you until someone you care about is killed or raped.

We I do not need to “know” one single person who was raped or killed by someone who does not belong here to say that’s enough it has to stop.

Actual facts won’t help you here. Lol

Anyone who injures and kills someone upsets me. I just don't pick and choose how it upsets me when some people do it depending on where they're from more than other people. You seem to keep losing sight of the fact that it was Republicans who voted down a comprehensive border bill that even the Border Patrol endorsed. You know, the very people that work on the border that know what they need to help stop illegal immigration. You would rather trust what people that have never worked on the border say about it.

You do know what the word “temporary “ means , right. If you lefties cared about the border, if you cared about the Americans being raped, killed or otherwise negatively affected, if you hadn’t kept making your phony excuses, aka lies, about why these millions of uneducated peasants had to be dumped into our country, a reasonable conversation might have been had. But you didn’t and so now it is time to right the ship and put Americans first. About a month to go and then we can get started and we have just the folks coming in to make it happen.

If you cared about Springfield, Ohio you wouldn't be trying to help undermine their economy and city like you are. Far be it from you to speak about "a reasonable conversation". Nothing about your hateful rhetoric indicates you comprehend the meaning of that. These "peasants" as you call them helped bring Springfield back to life as a community and all of your BS won't change that. I doubt they're any less peasants than you are and trump is counting on peasants like you to spread this BS.

But that's your game plan. Make them sound and believe they are somehow less human than you are. History has shown if you can convince people of that, treating them as less than human seems okay.

Trump and Biden both handed out unnecessary relief during COVID. This is where I depart from Peen on inflation. Peen thinks it was fuel that caused inflation. I disagree. I think all the relief - both personal and corporate - issued by the Government during COVID is a primary root cause for the inflation we experienced. I know that I receive relief funds that I did not need whatsoever. Everyone thought the world was ending and relief plans were put into place to confront that. It turns out, however, despite what DOGE thinks, that we can actually work remotely to keep the economy humming along pretty nicely.

By every metric that I've seen - and I suck at posting pictures here - the hyperinflation started off around two months after Biden took office. Now, I think just about every poster on here can agree the Government cannot effect change quickly. The commencement of inflation happening during that time shows that the Trump administration would have significantly contributed to inflation. Did Biden do stupid things to keep inflation high during the first part of his presidency? Sure, so he's culpable as well. But I do think the numbers and actions put in place speak for themselves in terms of what happened.

Judging by the tenor of that post this argument is over and you have lost……again. No facts just emotion.

Here is a fact this peasant knows. Lakin Riley should still be alive. Celebrating Christmas with her family. But she isn’t because she is dead, murdered by an illegal courtesy Joe Biden border.

Here is a fact this peasant knows. Rachel Morin’s five kids should be waiting for mom to come home but they are not. She was murdered by an illegal courtesy the Biden border.

Here is a fact this peasant knows. The 13 year old girl in nyc will suffer for years from the trauma of being raped. She was raped by an illegal who had no business being in our country, no right to be here.

I could list dozens but these are Americans and not nearly as important to lefties like you as those immigrants from Haiti so I won’t waste my time.

Truth is these 20k Haitians are a teaspoon of water dropped into Lake Erie in the immigration picture. But your leftie buddies dumped untold millions of illegals into America and so every one now is an issue and every one needs to be looked at for deportation. Maybe if Biden hadn’t increased tps by 240% …..but he did so oh well.

As I said earlier, we need to get the border under control, start the process of removing people who broke in to our country illegally, pause all immigration while we evaluate our needs and then totally rework our immigration system so that it works for us to make us a better country.

When one political party does not want to control the border and do something to improve the immigration system it makes it very difficult if not impossible.

Funny, I read and watch news all the time and I’ve rarely heard real cases. Most latino immigrants I see are salt of the earth type people. Hard working family people. I grew up in construction and could run a crew by the age of 14. Coming from that life, I got to see all those construction jobs filled with immigrants. At first I had to compete, and to be honest, you couldn’t compete with a crew of 15 or so rolling ourt on a job… I’ve seen 40 square roof torn off, plywood spot replaces as needed, and new felt/shingles with all the trim in half a day. The would be done, cleaned up and gone by the time most white crews finished their second morning coffee. There was no competition there. Just well oiled machines for crews.

But every time Trump says ‘illegals’ 100K people like you poop their pants. My GenX response? Grow a sack. My practical advice, stop believing every gaslighting thing you see in memes. It rots your brain. And yes I know, like 100 immigrants a year commit bad crimes. Meanwhile, the black and white gangbangers, junkies, and a-holes commit crimes at a ridiculously higher rate. Basically, our immigrant crisis was manufactured for the bigot and easy to scare vote. Unemployment is at all time lows, crime is down under Biden, and facts are still trying to make a comeback. You were duped.

Are you seriously saying, "nothing to see here, move along" in regards to the illegal immigrants that have been pouring into our country?

DO you really know how many are “illegal” vs. not? I mean Trump sees them all the same, if they are not white, even when they’ve been naturalized… And his average number spewed in his speeches was 12-21 million ILLEGALS. I don’t believe that for a minute. So, don’t mind me for skipping the whole “are you seriously saying” game. Trump lies and your info comes from the same echo chamber. You, as a Trump supporter, are neither well informed nor correct in most of your FAUX NEWS POVs. And yes, I don’t think we have an immigrant problem so much as an idiot problem. But I’m willing to wait to see y’all figure that out. It is FAFO season in Trump country, and I’m here for it. Want me to send you a link when I start selling FAFO NATION tees?

You have lumped millions of people as all being the same. Calling them all uneducated peasants. Labeling them as though any such huge group of people are the same. It fits your agenda.

None of that is true. As with every group of people some are well educated. Most of them are hard workers with families. No matter how you slice it you take the worst possible examples you can find and use it as a platform to label an entire group of people.

If you wish try addressing this......................

Non violent crimes have statutes of limitations. Let's use a totally red state as an example.

Here are the only crimes in Alabama that do not have a statute of limitations.....

Capital offenses, or any crime causing death or serious physical injury, arson, forgery, counterfeiting, drug trafficking: none

All other felonies, except conversion of public revenues: five years; conversion of public revenues: six years.

Misdemeanors 12 months.

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/cr...te-criminal-statutes-of-limitations.html

Federal statute of limitations is generally 5 years.

So if an immigrant who came here illegally 10 tears ago or 5 years ago have committed no crimes since they came here do you think they too should be deported? Does crossing the border illegally rise to the level of a violent felony offense?

An actual thinking human being understands that you have done nothing but use a broad brush to paint millions of people as all being the same when clearly they're not. That you want to use the most extreme examples in order to do so. Now if you want to have a serious conversation about that we can start here. But I don't think you have any intention of doing that.

Many of these immigrants are hard working people with families. Combined they pay billions in taxes each year. I'm all for deporting people who have crossed the border that have committed felonies. I'm all for securing the border. Which the levels crossing now are very close to the same amount that were crossing when trump was president.

But what I'm not for is labeling many honest, hard working people that have followed our laws and worked here for years as uneducated peasants and lumping them all into one group as some criminal element. I know that's what you're used to. I know that's what you have grown to believe and or accept. But that's not the reality. There is a lot of room for some rational middle ground here. At least for rational people.