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Cleveland sent a 2022 fifth-round pick and swapped 2022 sixth-round picks with the Cowboys to acquire Cooper.
We turned that 5th rounder into a 3rd rounder.

Have to look for the bright spots where we can find them.... because we're back in the mode of cherishing draft capital.

It may be, but not because of this move.

The relationship soured last summer once we signed Jeudy. We have been looking to trade him before the season was pretty much over.

There was no way he was going to be back...his choice or ours...good move getting a 3rd and the exchange of change.

He's correct Pit. I heard Depo is looking to trade Jimmy Haslem for a 7th rounder. Also demanding a 4th for Dee.

The power of Depo is out of control.

Maybe Tillman will prove his draft status this week and have 2 catches?

BTW, my signature still holds true and will always remain.

I don’t think it’ll be a fire sale. Players have to have high value to other teams, be at the right point in their contract not to turn into lots of dead money after this year, and really not be in the team’s plans moving forward. I could see some players may fit that description (definitely not Garrett) but I just doubt it turns into a wholesale offloading.

Still, we don’t trade our #1 receiver if we’re not giving up on the season. Sundays are officially open for other activities now.

The devolution of the Cleveland Browns:

Baker and Jarvis - Playoff win.

Flacco and Amari- Playoff birth

Deshawn and Jeudy 1-5.


This fo needs to go. How pathetic.

We would never get equal value (former #1 pick) but Detroit has a huge hole to fill with Hutchinson gone....

So the notion that I’ve refused to believe is actually true… leave Cleveland and move on to Greener pastures. Joe Haden, Odell, Baker, Amari, and so many others.

Myles Garrett, Joel Bitonio, David Njoku, Nick Chubb, all deserve better than this. They should all request trades.

We’ll win in April though! Here we come April! We love you!

Is it wrong that I don't give a *^&%$!! what they do with this team anymore?

I say trade them all. Maybe if they trade every good player we have, they can sit Watson for the next 3 years, and not have it kill the cap.

I have never seen so much hate and utter disdain for the Browns between the fans and city then I do now.

The next three home games are going to be filled with fans looking for a pound of flesh.

Ineptitude and losing football will be the name of the game for the foreseeable future. Haslam is banking on a segment of the fans to gobble up the excitement of a rebuild and fresh start #319. He'll likely announce Brook Park plans soon. New stadium! New QB! Renewed hope and vigor!

As I have said before, this is not a serious organization.

I agree Milk. The level of hatred and/or disdain I've seen for the team is well beyond anything I've witnessed

I wonder if they decided to bring Chubb back at home so Watson doesn't get booed out of the stadium. He probably still will on Sunday.

there's no doubt it was the plan to start Chubb to stifle some boo birds

I just got back from 5 days in Vegas and it was really eye opening regarding the hatred for Watson. I wore my Browns shirts 3 of the 5 days, and I must have met 20 different Browns fans in various casinos. I am not exaggerating when I say that 100% of the fellow Browns fans I met during my trip, started the conversation with "Go Browns!" followed immediately by screw Watson or some variation of that word.

As a Browns fan for the past 51 years, I don't ever recall the absolute hatred for 1 person, other than Art Modell. I mean, I don't like him in Cleveland either, but damn, that was brutal.

I think I’ll stick around long enough to see if they dismantle the core team, but I’ve reached the end of the line for my fandom if it’s a fire-sale rebuild. This franchise doesn’t deserve it’s fans.

Neither have I, and it is all directly or indirectly related to Deshaun Watson. Time to eliminate the source of the stench.

Biggest issue with this connection with this team, is we keep getting to the point everything thinks the next year is the year we take that next step, it just never comes.. then nothing but drama surrounds the team with the way players are being handled.. Its just alot. This is our WR corps last week:
Jerry Jeudy: 65.7 (52)

Amari Cooper: 58.0 (47)

Jaelon Darden: 56.3 (7)

Elijah Moore: 54.6 (38)

Cedric Tillman: 49.8 (21)

I wish I could say it was an outlier, but its pretty much same every week. Oline too, and Dline, and corners, this team simply has nothing going right this year. I'm not surprised by this trade, I think Garrett and Chubb(if he shows he's recovered) will be gone as well. I just hope it means this FO is getting scrapped at the end of the year because if not, expect more insanity.

Cooper doing the Baker/OBJ to get out of town...

Congratulations Mr. Cooper on escaping the Factory of Sadness

I feel like we're on a downward escalator facing the opposite way continuously taking steps up

There's no doubt that Cooper was miserable here and basically sabotaged his way out of town. Don't blame him

I wish Amari the best. Good player, good person and it looks like he didn't want to be here anymore. More of our players probably feel the same way.

I think all of us feel the same way in varying degrees. It would be very demoralizing as a player (it is as a mere fan).

I just can't believe how quickly things have gone south for our franchise. The Watson situation is maybe the worst poison I've ever seen in pro sports

They had a plan and it wasn't going the way they wanted, so they pivoted. I just wish we would apply this thinking more often (and to one player specifically).

Send them Z

Was Cooper intentionally dropping balls?

We all know which player you are referring to, and to be honest, I don't agree. Look, this team is 1-5....Continue to play Watson and if he continues to play poorly and this offense continues to go nowhere you get a higher draft pick for a new QB.

And IF IF IF, he does get it together and the team finds some fit with him to where he can thrive, at least you know where you stand there and can plan accordingly for other weapons.

If you could convince me that we have switched into starting a rebuild, then I'd be saying the same thing. A central part of any rebuild would be to move on from Watson (even if that's simply relegating him to backup role).

If we are committing to a rebuild, then IR Garrett and start playing backups. Don't let Chubb come back in any meaningful role this year.

I went on a couple ticket sites Sunday before the game and looked for some possibilities. My son has mid terms coming up so with 3 home games in a row, I wanted to pick a game in the next three weeks and find tickets for the Chiefs or Dolphins at the end of the year when he is on break.

I went back on last night and then again at lunch today and the ticket prices are falling like a rock. Minimum price for uppers to get in the door (we usually find tickets downstairs) are 38 bucks for the Bengals, 31 for the Ravens and 21 for San Diego. Tickets now for the Dolphins start at 16 dollars. There are fins tickets in Sec 534 (about 50 yd line upper) for $40 each. Hell, by the time Miami is in town, for 100 bucks you might be able to sit on the bench.

This is all on the team management. They set this up and will not change-so they reap what they sow.
What really sucks working in Western Pa is having to come in a month from now and the squealer fans telling us there were more of them at our home game than us-on a national televised Thursday night game.

Perhaps everyone ought to rethink the idea of pouring megabucks into a new stadium....

j/c:

Amari Cooper issues cryptic message following trade from Browns to Bills

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/n...er-cryptic-cleveland-browns-message.html

Yes I am. Not Because I think he's done a good job but because he is the one who makes he decisions, not Depo. Let's try to stay on topic shall we?

Who knows? There seems to be three different trains of thought about this. Maybe more than three and I just haven't seen them yet.

One is that once the offense loses faith in their QB their morale is shot. People can say what they want about players being professionals or that it shouldn't mater with all the money they're being paid but having zero confidence you can win makes a huge impact on how players perform. Which is why you have often seen teams change starting QB's to try and give their offense a spark.

The second is that Stefanski has lost the team and he is a terrible HC.

The third is that Cooper has been playing bad on purpose.

As to the second possibility it would seem strange to me that this team played hard for Stefanski last season to the point the Browns made the playoffs with multiple starting QB's. I mean as many different starting QB's as the Browns had least season it's a minor miracle that this team didn't veer off course and look like a train wreck then. But they didn't. So for me to think that somehow in one off season these players lost faith in Stefanski and he lost the team simply doesn't add up.

The third possibility doesn't make sense to me either. Cooper has been traded before and more than once. Yet when looking at his stats and production over the course of his career there hasn't been a drop off until now. He has never employed such a tactic anywhere else he has played. From everything I've seen he had an out at the end of the season where he could have moved on anyway and looking like a problem child certainly wouldn't had done anything to advance his career across the league.

A fourth possibility is that age caught up with him. But if that's the case he seems a little young for that and it seems odd it would have happened so quickly and so drastically.

My opinion, and that's all it is, is when you look at other players who played at a good or high level even all the way through last season, the play of many of them have fallen off. And fallen off sharply. That many players having the same symptoms at the same time isn't simply a coincidence. If it were just Cooper I could see it differently. But it's not. There's more to it than that.

So either people believe that over the course of one off season that Stefanski forgot how to coach and a lot of our players forgot how to play, or it may be option number one.

A fourth possibility dawned on me watching the game. It seemed DW was told to find Coop and force the ball to him, priority route. Lock in on him, wait on him, miss him, overthrow him, rinse and repeat. Cooper's trade really complicates DW's ability to screw up our pass-happy game. We will need a new dropper or drop passes by committee. No doubt, often, where DW had been told to deliver the rock IMO.

The fifth is Ohio legalized THC in smoke gummy powder and flour forms. Yep I can see a bunch of high players in Cleveland

Counterpoint: The Browns will carry $22.5M in dead cap space in 2025 for Cooper because they converted ~$19M of his base salary into a roster bonus after restructuring his contract back in July.

I won't say that he definitely was, but he was WAY above his career average. The entire time he was in the league up to this point, he never dropped more than 3 passes with any single team per season (in 2018 he dropped 3 with the Raiders and 3 with the Boys).

Then, he gets shipped to Cleveland.
2022: 12 drops
2023: 7 drops (comparable to his 2018 season - maybe Flacco evened him out?)
2024 (6 games): 10 drops

Cooper had 18 drops for the Raiders in 2015. He had 10 drops in 2017. The stats are little more difficult to dig up because of the team moving from Oakland to Vegas. It's like the stats did not transfer. Here's an article(s) on Cooper's drops.

https://insidethestar.com/narrative-buster-amari-coopers-drop-problems-have-been-greatly-overstated

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-drops-still-problem-for-raiders-wr-amari-cooper

https://x.com/PFF/status/1208881199390887936

Must be one of those things where it isn't an official stat, so it is subjective as Hell as to what the truth is. I used this link for my numbers: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/amari-cooper-player-stats?category=receiving&seasonType=reg

j/c
AC won't be missed. Also, it will give us a chance to evaluate our WR corps and see if any cream rises to the top....