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Which is what I see - and the reason I believe Berry needs to go. I disagree with people largely giving Berry a pass on DW ... I don't believe for a second Watson ever becomes an idea in Haslam's head if Berry doesn't sell DW to Jimmy as the messiah. Maybe GM can post a comment on that?

The game as pathetic - as pathetic as about any game since 1999. It's not even worth the effort to break it down.

KS clearly frustrated with DW - didn't see the presser but I expect there was more of the usual platitudes from KS.

The Watson thing is the biggest example of a sunk cost fallacy that i've ever seen.

We had 12 men on the field. Watson's already dug his own grave, no need for these twitter twits to make crap up.

We've all known KS as our head coach for 5 years now. We rarely (if ever?) have seen him visibly frustrated with a player on the field. His body language and facial expression said a lot there IMO.

KS garners a lot of the blame, but he also has exhibited the ability to get the most out of OTHER QB'S not named Watson.

j/c:

Poor QB play.
Terrible OL play.
No running game to speak of.
Undisciplined penalties.
Poor tackling.
More WR drops that cost the team points.
A team that has seemingly quit on each other by Week 5.

The above is a recipe for disaster for the remainder of the season.


I said the above this time last week after the loss, it still holds true, and perhaps has been exacerbated even more. This offensive scheme is a discombobulated mess with no identify. It seems like KS is calling plays for a scheme he isn't comfortable calling and we have an OC that isn't preparing that side of the ball each week. If our bye week was this week or next, I could see some people cut and or fired. Who knows, we still might get that if this team performs like they do.....looking at you Dorsey.

Simply a disaster.
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Early Week 6 Line vs Eagles on DK.

PHI -8.5
Over/Under = 44


#MockDraftSeason

the lack of a run game is something that isn't talked about enough probably

The loss of Callahan, the injuries, the aging, the lack of effort, the lack of emphasis on it ... we are a very limited offensive team because of it

Basically, we go shotgun/spread and try to throw our way to wins (with a QB who can't read a defense and can't push the ball down the field)

::inspirational lightbulb::


We finally have a logo for the helmet!

Sisyphus rolling the bolder up the mountain.

Truth.
The money is gone no matter what.... unless we're contractually obligated to play him, they should have benched him. They should still bench him and put DTR or another backup out there because you cannot tell me with a straight face that Watson is the best QB on this roster and gives us the best chance to win. Refusing to bring in a quality starter simply because we were already paying Watson is stupid. Flacco, or any other mid-tier QB that can actually read a D and process what he sees, should be on this roster.

People keep saying this but its not true. Every veteran QB that has been brought in has been statistically the same for the most part they have in their career. Guys like Baker have gone on and improved, Watson is really the only one that has come in and been noticeably worse. Theres something thats not clicking and I refuse to blame Watson for all the issues we are seeing because unless youre obtuse or just hate Watson regardless, noone can look at this season and say its any 1 thing thats causing this. Watson has had his issues no doubt, but He's being sacked at a higher rate than Couch in 99. That can't all be on him. Penalties and dropped passes, it all adds to disrupt any kind of rhythm. We've seen watson get in a rhythm this year and have very good drives. So its lurking. I think not having a run game is probably one of the biggest issues.

After reading this entire thread I believe the best thing I can do in regards to post game thoughts is to not have any.

After 5 games-Passer Rating

1) Flacco
2) Burrow
3) Baker
4) Lamar
5) Jayden Daniels


28) Watson

I'm honestly surprised he's not worse than 28

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-sacks-allowed-nfl


https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nfl/nfl-teams-with-most-dropped-passes-this-season-bm10/


but yes...its all Watson.. please continue

Sacks also have to do with how long you're holding the ball. And it is amazing how poorly a guy like Cooper catches the ball after years of having sure hands. I wonder if it has anything to do with having zero faith in the QB?

j/c:

Dawand Jones needs to be prescribed Ozempic.

Jones is amongst our biggest disappointments (literally)

Any progress he made last year has been lost

thats just passing the buck and refusing to admit the person at fault is actually at fault. If an NFL player getting paid 20 million dollars to catch a ball, if it hits his hand, he should catch it more often than not. Not sure what Faith in the QB has to do with it if the ball is there

My suggestion at this point: Fire Dorsey. Run Stefanski's offense. Either start Watson the rest of the year (to definitively show Haslam he is garbage) OR start DTR the rest of the year and see what we have. If DTR goes, inactivate Watson for the rest of the year and tell him to stay home. We can't get out of his contract. But we can try to get these guys to play for each other and see what happens. At this point, I really don't want Berry handling the draft. We are probably looking at a top 5 pick. No need to waste it. Again, JMO. It's going to be a LONG season and none of us really expected that. Very disappointing. Just glad I stopped paying for season tickets. Ouch.

....but it's not his fault.

I've resisted posting here because of how angry I got yesterday. Watson has to go. The only thing worse than a horrible decision is sticking with a horrible decision.

Actually it already is worse, because now we have a ton of holes around him due to all the draft capital we gave up for his sorry ass.

Blame AB all you want (I'm not claiming he's awesome or even above average) but no GM is going to hit on starters starting with 3rd rd draft picks every year.

That only works if the guy you traded for is so good, such an all-pro, he makes up for the holes you're going to create by himself.

Yeah....Deshaun is closer to PJ Walker than he is an all-pro.

Don't insult PJ Walker like that.

Just a question. With the way this franchise has been run since "99 it seems to me that if someone was purposely trying to sabotage the Browns, they would be making many of the same decisions, draft picks, signings and coaching moves that have been made. How can people who are trying to succeed be so inept?

YES! First the Manziel thing, the injured players, never calling out refs, and now the worst trade in NFL history. I can't shake the feeling that it's on purpose. Maybe it's just cuz we've been beaten down so much and it's a defense mechanism but man it would be hard to be this bad by accident.

Is there any way to petition to get a new owner? or do we need to record him saying the N word first for that a la Sterling?

GraffZ06.

You need to change your signature. BM is gone and far more “dangerous” than DW has been as a Brown.

Yeah, whatever happened to “led the NFL in passing yards” was left in Houston.

Watson will not be benched unless he is injured. Benching Watson would be an admission that Berry/Depo/Haslam made a $230,000,000, 3 1st round draft pick mistake. You absolutely do not make mistakes like that without someone being fired. Berry/Depo and Stefanski know this and are trying to save their own jobs.

j/c...

The Browns under Haslam are 75-140-1. That is a win percentage of .347. This is the same owner that demands his hired HC first consult with him before deciding on if he can or cannot bench the QB .

When the know-nothing owner does not trust, and more importantly, empower the HC to make final decisions on who plays on Sunday, you have already set the team up for failure.

The rumors coming out about the son-in-law and his influence on the organizational decisions are alarming as well.

Haslam thought he could take a shortcut and buy a championship in the NFL. You cannot.

All of those opinions/suggestions are more than plausible. I'd love to see or hear more validiation or verification of each claim.

On the issue of KS being able to bench Watson - that's this year. I do not believe any other year we've had a situation where KS has been limitied with his offense ... there was talk of Depo suggesting a more air focussed O was the statistically more likely to lead to success route -- but other than that it feels like Stefanski's record is his to own.

I agree. I don't think that Haslam was the person to hatch the Watson idea. That was Berry all the way. Haslam approved the move only at Berry's urging.

Yes indeed, grasshopper.

The only way to get over a bad decision is to own it, then move on from that decision. Trying to massage it in to something it isn't only makes things worse.

If all of this talk about Stefanski being forced to play Watson is true, then he is a limp noodle. He needs to coach on his terms. He needs to force whoever to accept his decision or fire him. Stefanski would have multiple offers to be a head coach on some other team.

He needs to run the offense he wants to run and play the players he wants to play. Be dammed what others want. If he already is, then that's on him.

We agree 100% last 2 posts!!

If haslam aays KS cannot bench Watson and he does anyway, what happens?

A, haslam lives with it
Or
B, he fires KS

Then KS can spill the unfiltered truth.
Pretty sure haslam doesn't want that

Call it what you like. No matter what you pay someone they're still human. Most athletes don't play to their full potential if they think they're going to lose. If you don't believe that then tell me why coaches say they're going to change QB's to try to give their team a spark. It's because they know unmotivated players don't perform well.

I agree, they won't.
But they should

I’d bet there is a confidentiality agreement that if KS gets fired, and then brings up this or that, he forgives what he is owed for the rest of the contract. You rarely see fired coaches bad-mouth their former owners, and I think it’s mostly for that reason.

And, if you want another opportunity as a HC you wouldn’t beak off about the guy who fired you. Not a good look.

I thought this since we found out who was in our QB room… Winston is not Joe Flacco and DTR, we know what he gives us unless he has grown and evolved. So all of our hopes were hung on DW and they made the bet he’d be the guy… He’s horrible and there is no plan 2.

There’s a lot of industries where even if everyone kinda knows who the turds are and can see the dumpster fires from a mile off, if you get canned you keep your mouth shut. Especially if you have any hope of working again. No one wants to hire someone who can’t respect the basic tenant of keeping it in house and exiting the right way. Kevin is super pro and disciplined when it comes to talking to the press, I don’t think he’d ever spill. But If they pull a woody Johnston on him, who knows. But even Saleh is saying precious little.