Fair enough. Trump questioned the legitimacy of the election of 2020. Would you agree that legitimacy has been recently called into question with your guys/gals?
Fair enough. Trump questioned the legitimacy of the election of 2020. Would you agree that legitimacy has been recently called into question with your guys/gals?
That's not quite being honest about what happened. As a matter of fact that's not being honest at all.
Name one time when anyone before trump held a rally in Washington D.C on the day the elections were being certified. Had a list of election deniers speak telling people that the election was stolen from them. That if they didn't fight like hell they wouldn't have a country left. Work that crowd into a frenzy and then actually instruct them to march to the capital. Then sit back in The White House watching some of those same people attack the capital, desecrate it and attack and assault police officers for over three hours while doing nothing to try and stop them.
Name a time a president ever helped scheme to appoint a set of fake electors in the swing states to try and stop the certification of an election to remain in power.
Name a time that anyone running for president claimed long before the election ever happened that if he lost the election was stolen.
Name a time when a losing candidate made false claims for years that the election was "stolen" by accusing election workers, illegal votes and conspiracies for losing an election.
Name a time when a sitting president called the head election official of any state telling him he needed to "find votes" that would change the results of that state's election.
What has been done by the democrats in is they have asked for recounts, they have taken cases to court and used the legal process to contest some elections.
But then that's the same thing some in the trump orbit did and lost over 60 cases. But that wasn't good enough for them. They chose to try to overthrow and actually steal it.
Those are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
The real TDS is within those that can read all that and shrug it off as nothing as they prepare to pull the lever for the scumbag again. If that’s not derangement I don’t know what is.
“A Better Deterrence”: Hillary Clinton Calls for the Arrest of Americans Spreading Disinformation
Jonathan Turley Criminal law, Free Speech, Media, Politics September 18, 2024
Hillary Clinton has long been one of the most anti-free speech figures in American politics, including calling upon European officials to force Elon Musk to censor American citizens under the infamous Digital Services Act (DSA). She is now suggesting the arrest of Americans who spread what she considers disinformation. It is a crushingly ironic moment since it was her campaign that funded the infamous Steele dossier and spread false stories of Russian collusion during her presidential campaign. Presumably, that disinformation would not be treated as criminal viewpoints.
Speaking on MSNBC’s The Rachel Maddow Show this week, Clinton was asked about continued allegations of Russian efforts to disseminate Russian propaganda in the United States. Clinton responded:
“I think it’s important to indict the Russians, just as Muller indicted a lot of Russians who were engaged in direct election interference and boosting Trump back in 2016. But I also think there are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda. And whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrence, because the Russians are unlikely, except in a very few cases, to ever stand trial in the United States.”
The interview was chillingly consistent with Clinton long antagonism toward free speech.
Clinton, of course, was not challenged by Maddow on the fact that her campaign was the conduit for disinformation linked to Russian intelligence services.
Not only did U.S. intelligence believe that the Clinton campaign was used to make the debunked claims, but it was clearly done for purely political purposes.
Clinton efforts were so obvious by July 2016 that former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s alleged “plan” to tie then-candidate Donald Trump to Russia as “a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server.” The Russian investigation was launched days after this briefing.
Her general counsel, Marc Elias, his former partner Michael Sussmann, and the campaign were later found involved in not just spreading the false claims from the Steele dossier but other false stories like the Alfa Bank conspiracy claim.
It was Elias who managed the legal budget for the campaign. We now know that the campaign hid the funding of the Steele dossier as a legal expense.
New York Times reporter Ken Vogel said that Elias denied involvement in the anti-Trump dossier. When Vogel tried to report the story, he said that Elias “pushed back vigorously, saying ‘You (or your sources) are wrong.’” Times reporter Maggie Haberman declared, “Folks involved in funding this lied about it, and with sanctimony, for a year.”
Elias was also seated next to John Podesta, Clinton’s campaign chairman, when he was asked about the role of the campaign, he denied categorically any contractual agreement with Fusion GPS. Even assuming that Podesta was kept in the dark, the Durham Report clearly shows that Elias knew and played an active role in pushing this effort.
The Clinton campaign lied to the media, spread false claims of Russian disinformation, and was accused of being a conduit for Russian intelligence. So would the “better deterrence” have been for Clinton herself to be arrested?
Sussmann ultimately did stand trial but was acquitted. Notably, John Durham noted that “no one at Fusion GPS … would agree to voluntarily speak with the Office” while both the DNC and Clinton campaign invoked privileges to refuse to answer certain questions.
For a person who is on her fourth memoir, Clinton is remarkably hostile to free speech. Notably, in all of these memoirs, she does not address her prominent role in calling for the censorship and now arrest of those with opposing views. She also does not discuss how her campaign lied to the media and funded the Steele dossier. Perhaps that is coming in the fifth memoir.
What is clear is that Clinton herself has no fear that such prosecution would ever await her. She is one of those who may silence others but not be silenced. The public is to be protected from views that she deemed disinformation, misinformation, or malinformation.
To that end, as one of the guardians of truth, Clinton chastised the media for not being more consistently anti-Trump, a daunting prospect since the media has been accused of running almost 90 percent negative stories on Trump.
Nevertheless, shortly after the second assassination attack on Trump, Clinton called Trump a danger to the world and added that “I don’t understand why it’s so difficult for the press to have a consistent narrative about how dangerous Trump is.”
Ideally, between the arrests of those accused of disinformation and an effective state media, Clinton hopes to rein in errant thoughts and viewpoints.
In the interview, Maddow did not have even a slight objection to the implications of arresting people with criminal viewpoints. Censorship and criminal prosecutions are such mainstream concepts that they are as unsurprising as a fourth Clinton memoir.
Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. He is the author of “The Indispensable Right: Free Speech in an Age of Rage” (Simon & Schuster).
Just shows how stupid the lemming trumpian masses are. They can't even see it.
Fixed it for you.
The GOP has been screaming, "They gonna take mah guns!" for several decades now. It's been a lie the entire time. Anyone who has read "The boy Who Cried Wolf" understands that.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Libtards want to ban free speech, confiscate guns, and enter your home without a warrant to check for guns.
The people openly telling you they will violate your 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments are telling you Trump is a threat.
Just shows how stupid the lemming democrap masses are. They can't even see it.
Jc nirtu…
This is projection.
Do you think Harris being a gun owner changes her career long stance against guns? Do you think it changes her "values" that the second amendment does not guarantee the right of The People (a personal right, instead of a collective right) to own guns (for self defense) such as hand guns? Do you think her weekly calls for an "assault" weapons ban is fake?
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