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We're not endorsing Trump, but we're endorsing Trump.

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A nearly 16 point margin? For an "anti-union" president?? Wow, things have really flopped.


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While I don't get the whole notion of leaving someone who is hollow for someone who is detrimental, I do think that this type of stuff does need to happen across the board, left and right.

There have been so many empty promises, and outright lies told just to earn the endorsement of certain groups, that politicians these just just figure that they will have certain endorsements, without having to work for it.

We The People need to vehemently push back on politicians who already feel like they have us in the bag until they, I don't know, actually develop specific policies that might help Americans across the board.


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Originally Posted by dawglover05
While I don't get the whole notion of leaving someone who is hollow for someone who is detrimental, I do think that this type of stuff does need to happen across the board, left and right.

There have been so many empty promises, and outright lies told just to earn the endorsement of certain groups, that politicians these just just figure that they will have certain endorsements, without having to work for it.

We The People need to vehemently push back on politicians who already feel like they have us in the bag until they, I don't know, actually develop specific policies that might help Americans across the board.

And after the $5.7B the White House promised the Teamsters. The economy is so bad you even get a lousy endorsement with $5.7B any more.

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Yes, inflation is down to 2.5%, interest rates were just cut by .5% and things are SO BAD! This isn't 2022 anymore.


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Harris racks up regional endorsements from Teamsters locals after national union declines to endorse

After the International Brotherhood of Teamsters’ executive board declined to endorse either Vice President Kamala Harris or former President Donald Trump, a series of local “joint councils” representing hundreds of thousands of workers in key swing states endorsed Harris.

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A series of local “joint councils” representing hundreds of thousands of Teamsters workers in key swing states endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris after the International Brotherhood of Teamsters’ executive board declined to endorse either her or Trump

Harris campaign spokesperson Ian Sams said on social media that Harris had earned the endorsement of Teamsters Joint Council 43 in Michigan, Teamsters Joint Council 39 in Wisconsin, and Teamsters Joint Council 7 and Joint Council 42, which represent 300,000 members across California, Hawaii, Guam and battleground Nevada

Teamsters Joint Councils and locals in Washington state, Idaho and Alaska, Philadelphia, Miami, western Pennsylvania, and elsewhere had already offered their endorsement of Harris prior to Wednesday

In August, the Teamsters’ National Black Caucus endorsed Harris after its chairman condemned Teamsters General President Sean O’Brien for making overtures to Trump and speaking at the Republican National Convention

Harris campaign spokesperson Ian Sams said on social media that Harris had earned the endorsement of Teamsters Joint Council 43 in Michigan, Teamsters Joint Council 39 in Wisconsin, and Teamsters Joint Council 7 and Joint Council 42, which represent 300,000 members across California, Hawaii, Guam and battleground Nevada.

“The 300,000 Teamsters who work across California, Nevada, Hawaii, and Guam are fundamental to the American economy, not only producing and transporting goods, but also providing essential services throughout the private and public sectors,” said Joint Council 42 President Chris Griswold in a statement. “They deserve a committed administration that will relentlessly advocate for their rights, ensure their safety, and prioritize the needs of working people.”

Joint Council 7 President Peter Finn added in the statement that while Teamsters members come from different backgrounds and hold diverse viewpoints, their members “refuse to be divided by extremist political forces or greedy corporations that want to see us fail.”

Joint Councils “are set up in areas with three or more local unions. Joint Councils help coordinate Teamsters activities in those areas,” according to the Teamsters.

In Michigan, Teamsters Joint Council 43 President Kevin Moore said his executive board voted to “enthusiastically endorse the Harris-Walz campaign” and all down-ballot Democrats in Michigan. Wisconsin Teamsters President Bill Carroll said in a statement that he credited Harris for working “with the Teamsters and other union workers to pass the historic Butch Lewis Act which has saved the pensions of over a million retirees to date.”

Passed in spring 2021 as part of the American Rescue Plan, the Butch Lewis Act was named after a retired Ohio trucker and Teamsters union leader who spent the last years of his life fighting to prevent massive cuts to the Teamsters’ Central States Pension Fund. The law allowed the Treasury to funnel funds into pension plans, preventing them from being subject to cuts that grew common after the stock market collapse in 2008.

Gregory Floyd, a vice president at large for the Teamsters and a president of Local 237 in New York City, also told Politico on Wednesday that his union would endorse Harris.

Teamsters Joint Councils and locals in Washington state, Idaho and Alaska, Philadelphia, Miami, western Pennsylvania, and elsewhere had already offered their endorsement of Harris prior to Wednesday. In August, the Teamsters’ National Black Caucus endorsed Harris after its chairman condemned Teamsters General President Sean O’Brien for making overtures to Trump and speaking at the Republican National Convention.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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She "racks them up"...


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I know you hate that I provided information that local teamsters numbering in the hundreds of thousands endorsed Kamala and that they're one of the only national unions not to endorse her. But sometimes you make raining on your parade so easy.


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You're raining on my parade??


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I don't know but for some reason you felt compelled to post a chart showing the teamsters national union results that's already posted in another thread as a response to my post. Weird.


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What's weird is that the actual electronic poll of actual members shows a landslide for Trump.

And then you "yeah, but, some of them are voting for Kamala!!"

Uh, yeah, we saw that... 34% of them.


In other news, the Chicago White Sox have won dozens and dozens of games.


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Aw, you didn't like it. I'm shocked................

Many unions backing Harris

Labor is solidly behind Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential campaign.

Nearly 40 unions, including the United Auto Workers, the AFL-CIO, the American Federation of Teachers, the National Education Association and the United Steelworkers have pledged their support for Harris in the Nov. 5 election.

Only one major union, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, has yet to endorse Harris. The Teamsters haven’t made an endorsement yet, although the union interviewed Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in July and is set to talk with Harris later in September.

Teamsters President Sean O’Brian, who spoke at the Republican National Convention in July, has recently been critical of Trump over comments he made about striking workers being fired during an Aug. 12 conversation with Elon Musk on X.

The following is an incomplete list of unions that have formally endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris for president of the United States:


Actors’ Equity Association
AFL-CIO
New York State AFL-CIO
Amalgamated Transit Union
American Federation of Government Employees
American Federation of School Administrators
American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)
American Federation of Musicians
American Federation of Teachers
American Postal Workers Union
Association of Flight Attendants
Communication Workers of America
International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees (IATSE)
International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
International Association of Sheet Metal, Air, Rail & Transportation Workers
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW)
International Brotherhood of Teamsters Joint Council 28, Local 186 and Local 572
International Longshore and Warehouse Union
International Organization of Masters, Mates & Pilots
International Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers
International Union of Elevator Constructors
International Union of Operating Engineers
International Union of Painters and Allied Trades
Laborers International Union of North America
National Education Association
National Nurses United
National Union of Healthcare Workers
North America’s Building Trades Union
Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union
Seafarers International Union
Service Employees International Union (SEIU)
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United Auto Workers
United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America
United Farm Workers
United Food and Commercial Workers International (UFCW)
United Steelworkers
Writers Guild of America West PAC

https://uupinfo.org/communications/uupdate/240912E.php

If you want to talk about percentages, what percentage of unions don't support Harris?


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When all else fails.....


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I guess you missed the thread title.


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Originally Posted by FATE
I guess you missed the thread title.

You mean a thread about a union? No, I didn't miss it. Did you think the teamsters was a baseball team? Or did you think the teamsters was the only union? A single union alone lacks context of unions overall. It also didn't include that hundreds of thousands of members of the teamsters through their local unions have endorsed Harris. You're welcome.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yes, inflation is down to 2.5%, interest rates were just cut by .5% and things are SO BAD! This isn't 2022 anymore.

And the goal posts just decided to move. Crazy days we live in.

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I pointed at the goal posts. I'm not the one making it sound like it's still 2022.


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No one mentioned 2022 except you. Move those goalposts then claim they were always where you put them.

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Originally Posted by FrankZ
No one mentioned 2022 except you. Move those goalposts then claim they were always where you put them.


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No one mentioned 2022 except you. Move those goalposts then claim they were always where you put them.


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Originally Posted by FrankZ
The economy is so bad you even get a lousy endorsement with $5.7B any more.

Then when were you talking about? Because it's certainly not now. And when I pointed out how the economy is now you accuse me of moving the goal posts? And your little buddy chiming in won't change that.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
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The economy is so bad you even get a lousy endorsement with $5.7B any more.

Then when were you talking about? Because it's certainly not now. And when I pointed out how the economy is now you accuse me of moving the goal posts? And your little buddy chiming in won't change that.


I was obviously talking about now not 2022. There is still only four lights.

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So the global inflation that hit in every developed nation in 2022 wasn't what you were talking about? Instead you are saying that a 2.5% inflation rate, that the feds who just cut the interest rate by .5% and a stock market that has been breaking records as of late means the "economy is so bad"?

Well alrighty then. Denial is not pretty.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So the global inflation that hit in every developed nation in 2022 wasn't what you were talking about? Instead you are saying that a 2.5% inflation rate, that the feds who just cut the interest rate by .5% and a stock market that has been breaking records as of late means the "economy is so bad"?

Well alrighty then. Denial is not pretty.

#1. You still only talk about half of a sentence.

#2. Just because something is better than something else does not mean it it good. Trading in a false equivalency is on brand for you though.

So please, again, try and tell me where I put the goal posts you moved.

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Stating the facts of the current economy isn't moving the goal posts when someone states "the economy is so bad". There's a difference between "not good" and "so bad". Speaking of a false equivalency. But keep trying to squirm your way out of it.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Stating the facts of the current economy isn't moving the goal posts when someone states "the economy is so bad". There's a difference between "not good" and "so bad". Speaking of a false equivalency. But keep trying to squirm your way out of it.

Continuing to ignore the rest of the sentence so you can move the goal posts.

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You're the one who said "the economy is so bad" that it was the very basis of you what you said proceeding it. How does anything you said after that change that it was the very basis of your assertion? It doesn't.


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Who care what Pit is deflecting about. The Teamsters are not endorsing Kackela. They are overwhelmingly voting for Trump by a large margin.

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Hundreds of thousands of them did. Pay attention.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You're the one who said "the economy is so bad" that it was the very basis of you what you said proceeding it. How does anything you said after that change that it was the very basis of your assertion? It doesn't.

Childish games is all you have. Grow up.

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"The economy is so bad" is a falsehood. Your claim is what looks so childish. But when you have no real answer I understand your desperation to make it personal rather than try to explain it.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
"The economy is so bad" is a falsehood. Your claim is what looks so childish. But when you have no real answer I understand your desperation to make it personal rather than try to explain it.


Not playing your baby games. When you decide to acknowledge context and have something adult to say let us know.

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What context did I miss here? Isn't the teamsters a union? Are you trying to say mentioning unions as a whole isn't providing context? Are you trying to say showing that local teamsters unions numbering in the hundreds of thousand of teamsters that endorsed Kamala doesn't provide context?

It's not that my comments don't provide context. It's that they provide context you don't like seeing posted. Only babies refuse to address actual context they don't like. It sounds like you're the one who needs to grow up. What is it eve says? Oh yeah, weak sauce.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
What context did I miss here? Isn't the teamsters a union? Are you trying to say mentioning unions as a whole isn't providing context? Are you trying to say showing that local teamsters unions numbering in the hundreds of thousand of teamsters that endorsed Kamala doesn't provide context?

It's not that my comments don't provide context. It's that they provide context you don't like seeing posted. Only babies refuse to address actual context they don't like. It sounds like you're the one who needs to grow up. What is it eve says? Oh yeah, weak sauce.

Yep, completely missed the context. It's up there in the post, but that would take some honesty to read, we know that is not on brand for you. So still not playing your baby game.

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"The economy is so bad" is a falsehood in any context. But I understand why you want to avoid that.


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The context where he said they donated a $hit-ton of money and can't even get an endorsement out of it. It's about thirty posts up before you turfed the entire field kicking the ball at unicorns and the economy.

It is a tired, tired, tired act, and there's not a single poster in this arena that doesn't see it for what it is.


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