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MOSINEE, Wis. — With just days to go before his first and likely only debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, former President Donald Trump posted a warning on his social media site threatening to jail those “involved in unscrupulous behavior” this election, which he said would be under intense scrutiny.

“WHEN I WIN, those people that CHEATED will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law, which will include long term prison sentences so that this Depravity of Justice does not happen again,” Trump wrote late Saturday, sowing doubt once more about the integrity of the election, even though cheating is incredibly rare.

“Please beware,” he went on, “that this legal exposure extends to Lawyers, Political Operatives, Donors, Illegal Voters, & Corrupt Election Officials. Those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought out, caught, and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, never seen before in our Country."

Trump's message represents his latest threat to use the office of the presidency to exact retribution if he wins a second term. There is no evidence of the kind of fraud he continues to insist marred the 2020 election; in fact, dozens of courts, Republican state officials and his own administration have said he lost fairly.

Just days ago, Trump himself acknowledged in a podcast interview that he had indeed “lost by a whisker.”

While Trump's campaign aides and allies have urged him to keep his focus on Harris and make the election a referendum on issues like inflation and border security, Trump in recent days has veered far off course.

On Friday, he delivered a stunning statement to news cameras in which he brought up a string of past allegations of sexual misconduct, describing several in graphic detail, even as he denied his accusers’ allegations. Earlier, he had voluntarily appeared in court for a hearing on the appeal of a decision that found him liable for sexual abuse, turning focus to his legal woes in the campaign's final stretch.

Earlier Saturday, Trump had leaned into familiar grievances about everything from his indictments to Russia's meddling in the 2016 election as he campaigned in one of the most deeply Republican swaths of battleground Wisconsin.

“The Harris-Biden DOJ is trying to throw me in jail — they want me in jail — for the crime of exposing their corruption,” Trump claimed at an outdoor rally at Central Wisconsin Airport, where he spoke behind a wall of bulletproof glass due to new security protocols following his July assassination attempt.

There’s no evidence that President Joe Biden or Harris have had any influence over decisions by the Justice Department or state prosecutors to indict the former president.

Trump has eschewed traditional debate preparation, choosing to hold rallies and events while Harris has been cloistered in a historic hotel in downtown Pittsburgh, working with aides since Thursday.

Harris has agreed so far to a single debate, which will be hosted by ABC.

At the rally, Trump outlined his plans to “Drain the swamp” — a throwback to his winning 2016 campaign message as he ran as an outsider challenging the status quo. Though Trump spent four years in the Oval Office, he vowed anew to “cast out the corrupt political class” if he wins again and to “cut the fat out of our government for the first time, meaningfully, in 60 years.”

As part of that effort, he repeated his plan, announced Thursday, to create a new “Government Efficiency Commission” headed by Elon Musk that will be charged with conducting “a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government" to root out waste.

After again maligning the Congressional committee that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the nation’s capitol by his supporters after his election loss in 2020, Trump told the crowd of thousands that he would “rapidly review the cases of every political prisoner unjustly victimized by the Harris regime” and sign their pardons on his first day back in office.

Trump has repeatedly defended those who have been jailed for crimes including violent attacks on law enforcement.

And he said he would “completely overhaul” what he labeled “Kamala’s corrupt Department of Injustice.”

“Instead of persecuting Republicans, they will focus on taking down bloodthirsty cartels, transnational gangs, and radical Islamic terrorists,” he said.

Harris campaign spokesperson Sarafina Chitika responded to his comments with a statement warning that, if Trump is reelected, he will “use his unchecked power to prosecute his enemies and pardon insurrectionists who violently attacked our Capitol on January 6."

Both Harris and Trump have been frequent visitors to Wisconsin this year, a state where four of the past six presidential elections have been decided by less than a percentage point. Several polls of Wisconsin voters conducted after Biden withdrew showed Harris and Trump in a close race.

Democrats consider Wisconsin to be one of the must-win “blue wall” states. Biden, who was in Wisconsin on Thursday, won the state in 2020 by just under 21,000 votes. Trump carried it by a slightly larger margin, nearly 23,000 votes, in 2016.

As Trump was campaigning, Harris took a short break from debate prep to visit Penzeys Spices in Pittsburgh’s Strip District, where she bought several seasoning mixes. One customer saw the Democratic nominee and began openly weeping as Harris hugged her and said, “We’re going to be fine. We’re all in this together.”

Harris said she was honored to have endorsements from two major Republicans: former Vice President Dick Cheney and his daughter, Liz Cheney, the former Wyoming congresswoman.

“People are exhausted, about the division and the attempts to kind of divide us as Americans,” she said, adding that her main message at the debate would be that the country wants to be united.

“It’s time to turn the page on the divisiveness,” she said. “It’s time to bring our country together, to chart a new way forward.”

Trump held his rally in the central Wisconsin city of Mosinee, with a population of about 4,500 people. It is within Wisconsin's mostly rural 7th Congressional District, a reliably Republican area in a purple state.

During his speech, he railed against Harris in dark and ominous language, claiming that if the woman he calls “Comrade Kamala Harris gets four more years, you will be living (in) a full-blown Banana Republic" ruled by “anarchy” and “tyranny.”

Trump also railed against the administration's border policies, calling the Democrats’ approach “suicidal" and accusing them of having “imported murderers, child predators and serial rapists from all over the planet."

Many studies have found immigrants, including those in the country illegally, commit fewer violent crimes than native-born citizens. Violent crime in the U.S. dropped again last year, continuing a downward trend after a pandemic-era spike.

He dismissed warnings from U.S. officials about ongoing Russian attempts to spread disinformation ahead of November's election, including an indictment this past week that alleged a media company linked to six conservative influencers was secretly funded by Russian state media employees.

“The Justice Department said Russia may be involved in our elections again,” Trump told the crowd. “And, you know, the whole world laughed at it this time.”

Among those in the crowd was Dale Osuldsen, who was celebrating his 68th birthday Saturday at his first ever Trump rally. He hopes a second Trump administration will take on “cancel culture” and bring the country back to its “foundational past.

“We’ve had past administrations say they want to fundamentally change America,” Osulden said. “Fundamentally changing America is a bad thing.”

Many supporters embarked on hours-long drives from across Wisconsin to see Trump speak. Some came from even further.

Sean Moon, a Tennessee musician who releases MAGA-themed rap music under the stage name, “King Bullethead,” blasted his songs from a truck in the event parking lot. As a musician, he said Trump rallies approximate the experience of a raucous concert.

“Trump is a rockstar,” Moon said. “He’s incredible. People see he represents them and the deep state trying to kill him and take him out. But he’s standing strong, and he stands for the normal person.”

Democrats have relied on massive turnout in the state's two largest cities, Milwaukee and Madison, to counter Republican strength in rural areas like Mosinee and the Milwaukee suburbs. Trump must win the votes in places like Mosinee to have any chance of cutting into the Democrats' advantage in urban areas.

Republicans held their national convention in Milwaukee in July and Trump has made four previous stops to the state, most recently just last week in the western Wisconsin city of La Crosse.

Harris and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, last month filled the same Milwaukee arena where Republicans held their national convention for a rally that coincided with the Democratic National Convention just 90 miles away in Chicago. Walz returned Monday to Milwaukee, where he spoke at a Labor Day rally organized by unions.

https://time.com/7019035/donald-trump-threatens-to-jail-adversaries-truth-social-comments/

How can anyone think this guy is good for our country

How is protecting the election process a bad thing? I see it as a good thing.

He lost. It’s been proven. He’s finally admitted it. Yet here you are claiming he needs to ‘protect the election process’. He’s the only one that should be in jail for election interference. Period. He’s a con man that tried to overturn the last election. So, I guess you’re right… it’s time for donny to be jailed.

Ask Shane Moss and Ruby Freeman about Rudy’s recent election protection activities.

These are threats to intimidate people that arent on your side. How do you not see that? There is nothing wrong with the election process except trump complaining there is something wrong with it and undermining peoples confidence in it.

Because he thinks a lot of people cheated that didn't. He's been repeating these lies ever since he lost the election in 2020. From Jan. 6th to fake electors to pressuring officials to change the results of the 2020 election, you would think by now you could comprehend that he's not trying to "protecting the election process".

The other day he admitted he lost by "A Whisker" and now he insists that elections are rigged. He's a lying sack of Doggie DODO.
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I wonder if you realize the effect of his lies. So far around one thousand people have been convicted of Felonies and other crimes. Some are in jail right now because he lied and they were dumb enough to believe him regardless of the evidence and court cases that went against him. One of his closest advisors and an attorney is bankrupt because he followed Trump down that rabbit hole. Also a once respected business man that built a helluva a company is in financial trouble. A network that helped him get elected paid out around $750 Million with more lawsuits pending. Another network stands to lose way more than that. What do all these companies and people have in common... They believed a LIAR... They fell for his line of crap. Many have essentially ruined their lives. And for what, a Baffoon that lied to them. He knew he lost. He was told he lost, he was told by his respected advisors that he lost and that there was no problem with the vote count..

Now the jackass wants to go after those that stood up to him.,




those are the facts...IF you can't see them the problem is YOU!

As for election issues: there has always been some level of Fraud in elections. None of it reached the point of effecting the outcome., And unless you suddenly feel the court system is rigged, they agree,.,,,

You should be ashamed of yourself for defending that Jerk

Did you expect anything less from Donny Douchebag?

Let's review....

Trump asked a Georgia election official to "find him votes". Trump lost in court 60-some times regarding his election tampering arguments. In many cases, his lawyers couldnt'/wouldn't put forth a shred of legit evidence. Despite this, he maintains that our election process is rigged solely because he lost. Then he doubled-down and instructed his VP to interrupt the transfer of power as his followers stormed the Capitol... all in an effort to overturn a legit election. His followers erected a gallows outside the Capitol and chanted "Hang Mike Pence".

This guy is the last person I'd listen to regarding protecting the election process.

Remember that kid you used to play games with on the playground for whom winning was more important that anything and anyone else and for whom there was only two possible outcomes: winning or “you cheated”? He’s all grown up and he’ll burn the whole country down if he doesn’t win. He tells us this straight-up. Talks about how it’s rigged before elections happen so he can play either side depending on outcome. So “protecting election integrity” takes on a whole nutha meaning in that context.

I guarantee that the weeks post Nov 5th are going to be chaos either way. He’s an agent of chaos. His ego fragility, selfish temper and capacity for spite are the stuff of Greek tragedy. Of course his followers love the bull in the china shop routine. They think everything that’s wrong with the country is the china shop, everything good and right is solved by being a bull.

In many ways I’m actually less concerned about Trump than what comes after a Trump part deux, “the second coming”. The precedents that get set… and scrapped. He’s a force of nature, a once in a century talent for populism and channeling the darkest elements of the collective Id. At some point in the not so distant future, someone much smarter, if perhaps not as gifted in terms of populism, will “slouch towards Bethlehem” through the wake of precedent he leaves behind him. Someone who perhaps the current MAGA even hate, perhaps someone far left or even further right. But someone who benefits from the crippled agencies and institutions, the broken checks and balances and the public’s exhausted attention, when “the best lack all conviction and the worst are full of passionate intensity”. Hope not, but we’ll see.

And that's the very thing I don't believe his supporters have considered. Once he sets these precedents, once they're accepted as legal and there are no longer checks and balances to prevent them, they're open to every president moving forward and that includes future democrats. The very tactics and powers they want him to have will be available to every president moving forward. But that's what happens when you can get millions of people to look at things under a microscope rather than a telescope. We will all be worse off if he wins in the long run.

You see, that’s a higher level of think-thru than most people are willing or able to sustain.

There’s a thought experiment I like to do with people who become so partisan they become blind, to see if they’re capable of grasping the wider issue. There’s lots of people on both the left and the right who struggle to imagine any relatively recent controversial historical episode, be it Jan 6, the George Floyd riots, the Oct 7th Hamas attack (take your pick) and simply switch all the partisan players and analyze how you feel about the circumstances. Do your feelings change?

So if on Jan 6, Trump wins, Biden holds a rally where he doesn’t explicitly say “attack the capitol” but alludes to the necessity of force and that, though he can’t produce any coherent proof, claims again and again that Trump stole the election. A throng of black-clad Antifa attack the capital, cameras rolling, senators fleeing, same run down of events.

How do you think we should handle those antifa attackers? And Biden in this scenario? Would you feel different about how it should be handled if all the players switched?

Usually one of three things comes out of this:
1. The dodge.. they quibble with details, they claim conspiracy, the muddle everything and they just totally avoid the actual conversation. They either can’t or won’t play along.

2. The lie, either to me, themselves or both… They claim they’d feel no different. Id ask “so the Antifa should be let go and Biden in that scenario would have zero consequences and you’re cool that it was all just some big misunderstanding?” Sure, yep. We all know they wouldn’t feel that way but okay, sure. Again, not able or willing to play along.

3. The revelation… this almost never happens. “yea, I guess I’d want them prosecuted to the full extent. I’d hold Biden accountable in that scenario” etc.

Sometimes they straight-up concede they have a bias for their side that supersedes truth and justice. If they come out with that then they’re telling you they’re totally lost. They can’t see humans, only affiliations.

Because here’s the deal, if you’re an honest person and capable of thinking things through fully, and you’re able to do the switch up thought experiment, you come up with answers and solutions that are necessarily going to be more just, rational and long term. Because they are independent of ideology. It’s about rule of law, not rule of ideology.

I know so many people of every stripe, I’m sure you do to, who can’t see beyond a few months or years out. They either can’t or won’t consider the idea of precedent, what it means to win the battle and lose the war. Some of it is pure cynicism. They’re fatalists and just want what they want right now, future everyone and everything be d*mned. Those people are usually very damaged and should be avoided and not trusted with collective decisions. But then there’s the people who simply can’t see the bigger picture, game out the implications and the longer potential outcomes, intended or otherwise. I believe it’s a lot of people in this group. There’s no arguing with them and frankly no point getting angry with them. It’s like being angry at color blind people for not seeing purple.

I know I get blasted as some uber liberal on this board. But then I consider the source of those accusation and it becomes comical. One thing I have been consistent about are criminal activities.

I posted how I think everyone who committed criminal acts during the George Floyd riots should be convicted and sentenced in accordance to the average sentence for the crimes they committed. Not a harsher sentence or a lighter sentence, but the average sentence that everyone else would get. The same thing applies to Hunter Biden. The exact same thing applies for Sen. Bob Menendez. Democrats who break the law get no free pass from me.

That same thing applies to Jim Jordon who is now hundreds of days into defying a congressional subpoena. It's no different for those of trump's inner circle who he has already pardoned for their crimes. It's no different for those who attacked the capital on Jan. 6th whom trump himself has indicated he will pardon if he is elected and it's no different for trump.

And I'm quite tired of those who blame trump's convictions on everyone but trump. The DOJ didn't find trump guilty. Jack Smith didn't find trump guilty. A jury that was selected in a process that involved both the prosecution and the defense found trump guilty. that's exactly how the legal process is supposed to work.

Some of the very principals this nation was founded on has been attacked and undermined by this man and his supporters. From our election process to our legal system based on unfounded logic. The page has to be turned before it's too late if it isn't already too late.

Well said. I wish I could frame a post.

I actually puked in my mouth reading this.