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Yep, just last year after week one out RT was out for the year and after week 2 our top 3-5 RB was gone for the season. Take a valuable position player ranked top 5 in his group and remove him from any team it has to have an effect.

I don't pay much attention to betting odds.

My thinking is we are sitting at 8.5 because there are the questions with Watson and Chubb. Will Watson return to a top 10 type QB and when will Chubb return and how good will he be when he does return? If he returns?

Having those questions on two players as critical as they are to our offense has to knock us down a game or two.

There is not a predicted 8.5 win total because of the difficulty of our schedule.
There is not a predicted 8.5 win total because of the questions about Watson.
There is not a predicted 8.5 win total because of Chubb is coming off an injury.
There is not a predicted 8.5 win total because "Vegas" thinks we will win 8 or 9 game.

There is an over/under 8.5 win total because that's what "Vegas" believes is required to get an equal number of gamblers on both sides of this bet. Period, end of story.

Why does it seem low? The Browns are always a hard sell. That's how they entice people to bet the over.

I know that if the Browns weren’t my team I’d kinda root for them to fail because of DW. I know for a fact many people indeed feel exactly this. I know what betting lines are about but, like the stock market, they’re more emotional and less rational than most proponents tend to acknowledge. They’re about what the group feels like as much as what the group thinks. The Browns are historically losers and they have a sketchy injury prone question mark at the most important position. I expect all predictions, both the betting kind and journalist kind to shade the browns lower than higher until they and he prove them wrong.

And I keep going back to DW’s last game against Baltimore. If he plays like that and stays healthy, we’ll be a force, and a hell of a lot better than 8.5.

I know, Bone. Should have "j/c"'d that post.

I definitely wasn't trying to single you out.

I hear ya.

I'm running outta "next years", at least, emotionally.

I agree Bone. I've been a fan since I was 10 years old. That was 57 years ago. I also don't know how many next years I have. This is probably the most talented roster since I've been a fan. Unfortunately, and this is typical Browns luck, it comes at a time when there are about 7-8 teams in the AFC that are also very talented and have a shot at the SB. Health and DW's play will be paramount to our success.

You, like most of us, won’t run out of “next years” until we’re either dead, or the Browns win the Super Bowl.

Those are factors that set the odds lower. I agree they are betting odds. I have long said it is about getting fairly equal money on each side of the odds. If the money betting starts to get too high on either side, you will see an adjustment to the number to equal out the money gambled.

I just mentioned why the odds might be low. If the money starts to fall on the over, you will see the under move upward to get more money on the under.

You never know.

I am getting older, but I might live another 20 years and get in to my upper 90's, I might live another 12 hours. You just never know, and that is a good thing. I think knowing when you are going to die would be a lifelong ball and chain attached.

Just take every day as a gift and be happy with that.

There's one thing about getting older. The older you get the less of a deterrent a life sentence becomes. At 25 you could be looking at 50+ years. At 75?