I don't think you can blame injuries on the FO or coaching staff. Injuries happen in the NFL. None of us know the condition of that shoulder since it was originally injured or how susceptible it was to more serious injury if he played. He sure looked good in that second half and in previous weeks since the original injury. You can however look at ROI. The bottom line. And the bottom line is that at the end of this season 40% of that 230 million dollar contract will be in the rear view mirror and the Browns will have little to show for that investment.
As it pertains to not having a legitimate back-up plan I have to use the same train of thought to an extent. Injuries happen all of the time. Even casual NFL fans know this. Shipping Dobbs off for a six pack and a ham sandwich was an obvious mistake. The Browns are spending more money out in player salaries this year than any other team in the NFL. To do that without a legitimate back-up QB is unconscionable.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
They need to pick one of these guys and just get him in here ASAP. Maybe we can squeak by this week, but we need the next guy to get up to speed fast. I’d get Foles, but there isn’t much difference in what’s available - unless Brady decides to play again.
Blah blah blah - Watson played hurt and showed how tough he is. We are proud of our team and this is a fantastic challenge for them. It's never about one guy. Yadda yadda yadda. And now for the questions. Who is going to start? KS will address that. Adding to the QB room? TBD Why not pursue someone before the trade deadline? We feel good about our QB room. What about the Dobbs trade, any regrets? We're focused on our QB room and we will review that in the future. Any other thoughts on creatively adding another QB? We're focused on our QB room. We feel good with DTR. He played well in practice and the preseason. Recovery time line? Not really the time to discuss it. And there you have it. Side step city. Address the Dobbs trade? Not really. This clown should be a politician. He needs to go.
After 55 years, I'm walking away from this dumpster fire. Good luck to everyone who continues to hang on. You'll need it.
I just can't be mad about this. They guy delivered, and delivered with a broken shoulder. His running style needs to be moderated a bit for next year but hopefully we'll have more running options by then. He did what he had to do to win at Baltimore. Sucks to lose him, but a broken bone is a legitimate risk of playing football.
"Let people think this is a dumpster fire," - Mike Pettine
So depressed.....He was starting to play very well, the ankle wasn't going to be an issue. Coming off a huge win vs the Ravens, felt we were going to steamroll the Steelers this week. And this happens. Like others said, would have been nice to have Josh Dobbs right now. So glad Berry went the cheap route with DTR /sarcasm.
AFC is wide open this year, no one looks unbeatable and I thought we had a great chance this year. Windows close fast, look at the Bills.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Berry is competent. Stefanski is competent. I have my critiques, but this season is changing my mind.
They will both be here next year and the Browns will be good again.
For the rest of this season, Stefanski just has to manage DTR/Walker (hopefully DTR), limit turnovers, and play great D. These are all doable things. Everything the Browns want is right in front of them.
The woe is me is depressing.
I agree. We have a D that can win games. Our running game is stout even without Chubb. I don't see the season as over. We can still win 4-5 games down the stretch.
Once in the playoffs, D wins.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
The Browns will still make the playoffs. The bummer is that the chances of them making any noise now is slim to none. Watson gave legitimate hope of reaching a Super Bowl.
I am not sure how some people make it through life. If your first reaction to serious adversity is to just give up that tells me something. When I first heard the news, may first thought was, who do we start, how can we help then succeed and to look outside the team for a veteran that can really help. Of course, it is a huge blow, and we may drop off the NFL contender face, but can we at least try?
I dealt with serious for years at work, You don't just quit.
I feel bad for browns fans. I don't feel bad for the sexual predator . With that being said the Dobbs trade has to be one of the dumbest trades I have seen in a long time. You have no back up qb now that can play even at a decent level. Matt Ryan is still available but probably wants nothing to do with us. How browns... how browns...
" Now here you are running these dirty old streets tattoo on your neck fake gold on your teeth, got the hood here snowed but you can't fool me, we both know who you are"
This is kinda bad news. Could not have come at a worse time.The weather is turning crappy and I can waste a Sun.afternoon watching football.But I can't stomach dumb football and I'm afraid the Browns are headed that way.
They have to play the QB that gives this team the best chance to win. Thus far they have decided that is Walker. It's not time to bring out the training wheels.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I forgot about Tannehill, but that would have to require a lot of maneuvering
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The Browns will still make the playoffs. The bummer is that the chances of them making any noise now is slim to none. Watson gave legitimate hope of reaching a Super Bowl.
I am not sure how some people make it through life. If your first reaction to serious adversity is to just give up that tells me something. When I first heard the news, may first thought was, who do we start, how can we help then succeed and to look outside the team for a veteran that can really help. Of course, it is a huge blow, and we may drop off the NFL contender face, but can we at least try?
I dealt with serious for years at work, You don't just quit.
When I read the news, my first thought was: If we were 19-0 our plane would crash on the way to the Super Bowl.
I think DTR has to be in the mix. Maybe a QB rotation. Go with the hot hand.
We kept DTR and traded Dobbs. It might be time to give DTR another look.
The guy wasn't ready when we put him in against the Ravens. It was a fairly late decision as I recall. He probably didn't get many 1st team reps that week.
As long as he or Walker can keep away from being turnover machines, and complete enough throws to keep the D's from squatting on our run game, we can still win 4-5 games.
Before the news today, I was actually thinking we could win out and take home field advantage. That probably won't happen, but we have to keep the faith. We have a very good football team.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
the thing working against DTR was that the Ravens/Steelers are such nightmares for rookie QBs ... literally the worst teams to play
I'd even feel better with him against the Rams, Jags, Bears, etc
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
I'm not even joking when I say we should pretty much shut it down for the season. We've already lost too many starters, and we're getting into the time of year when season-ending injuries will bleed into next year. We've lost Chubb and Watson, and we've already seen what the offense looks like with Walker/DTR running the O. Walker sucks and DTR (best case) just isn't ready. I would lose my mind if Garrett picked up an ACL or something like that.
How do you shut down the season at week 9?
Playing for a pick (if it's ours). Preventing injury to your key guys becomes priority.
Look, I know it's not going to happen but we've already seen what this offense looks like w/o Chubb and a starting-caliber QB. This year is now lost (which really sucks for the D), but there's no reason to affect next season by losing a Garrett or a JOK to a late-season catastrophic injury.
Start churning the bottom of the roster and get depth guys more playing time.
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Originally Posted by redddog
[quote=oobernoober]Do we owe Houston any more picks?
I'm not even joking when I say we should pretty much shut it down for the season. We've already lost too many starters, and we're getting into the time of year when season-ending injuries will bleed into next year. We've lost Chubb and Watson, and we've already seen what the offense looks like with Walker/DTR running the O. Walker sucks and DTR (best case) just isn't ready. I would lose my mind if Garrett picked up an ACL or something like that.
How do you shut down the season at week 9?
This team has so much fight in them, yet some are wanting to throw in the towel. I hope that loser mentality only applies to your fandom and not your everyday life.
[color:"white"]I've always been crazy, but it's kept me from going insane -Waylon Jennings
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."