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He finished last season giving the Browns what Mayfield did. He was 3 wins and 3 losses with 58.2 completion %, 1,102 yards for 183 yards per game, 7 TD's and 5 int's and a QB Rating of 79.1. He was not garbage he just was not the upgrade from Mayfield the Browns had hoped for. So far, this year he has 2 wins and 1 loss with a 63.7 completion %, 678 yards for 226 yards per game, 4 TD's and 2 int's and a QB Rating of 87.8%. Improving but not there yet.

Baker's last year with the Browns was 8 wins and 9 loss record. Although, I think our back-up beat both the Bronco's and Bengals that year so he went 6 wins and 9 losses with a 60.5 completion %, 3,010 yards for 215 yards per game, 17 TD's and 13 Int's, and a QB rating of 83.1.

His best year was 2020 where he had 11 wins and 5 losses with a 62.8 completion %, 3,563 yards for 223 yards per game, 26 TD's and only 8 int's, a QB Rating of 95.9.

DeShaun's floor is around Baker's ceiling. He is already putting up Baker numbers we expected an upgrade and so far, have not got that. If you want to say he has not been a Baker upgrade, I agree. To say he has been putrid is just not true.

We all want Watson to be special and hope he will. Yesterday's performance was a step in the right direction, but he needs to string a few games like that together before we say he is back to that form. I do believe he has that talent. I've seen it when he played in college winning a National Championship and in Houston making 3 pro bowls and leading the NFL in passing yards. I don't believe those that say he will never get that back. He is still young, and those media types just are rooting against him because of his off the field stuff.

The play calling was very good yesterday. We brought them in early to open the middle and deep.

interesting...


https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/new...and-browns-could-deshaun-watson-contract


Steelers Rival Browns Could Get Out of Deshaun Watson Contract
A loophole has opened up for Pittsburgh Steelers rivals Cleveland Browns to avoid Deshaun Watson's guarantees.

PITTSBURGH -- During the Pittsburgh Steelers Week 2 win over the Cleveland Browns, quarterback Deshaun Watson accumulated three fines for violations on the field, sparking a conversation about his future with the team and a potential loophole to release him.

According to Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio, the Browns could have a way to void Watson's future guarantees if the league suspends him for on-field infractions. The five-year, $230 million contract is fully guaranteed by Cleveland.


Now, the specifics of the suspension would play a key role in the contract. If Watson is suspended for only one game, or because of non-egregious conduct, his guarantees stay in place. However, the team determines if the suspension is due to egregious conduct.

This past week, Watson was fined for two face mask penalties and then for a "violent gesture" made on the field. Currently, there is no talk of suspension, but that could, and likely would, change if he continues accumulating penalties for these same issues.


Watson has $138 million in guarantees remaining in his contract, which runs through 2026. Through two games this season, Watson has completed 38 of 69 passes for 389 yards and two touchdowns with two interceptions.

There is no reason to open up a can of worms. DW played well yesterday and we all hope that it continues. I think at this point there should be no discussion about getting out of his contract.

I don't think we should I just think it's interesting that he has those clauses

Most teams have standard language in all of their contracts for voiding guarantees.
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I think Watson will actually be a better QB without Chubb in the lineup.

well, we just have to worry about his skillset now ... not marrying him with Chubb. So I agree

The same game decent Baker would give us??

[quote]I disagree with you. I think he does play to the strengths of his players specifically quarterbacks.

Eli Moore is not a RB and why would the Browns try to feature him as a RB when they have better RBs on the bench.

I thought KS gave up on the run early in the game when he should have been utilizing all 3 of RBs...Hunt, Ford and Strong.

No need to panic...thankfully KS was a bit more balanced in the second half.

The Browns went out and traded for Strong Jr...we need to see more of him and little less Eli Moore as a RB, imo.

One game against a poor Titans team doesn't tell us a whole lot. It's a win and we certainly will take those all we can get.

The Browns defense had a good game as did Watson..except for the deep handoff.

I agree with Moore. I think we are trying a little too hard to get him the ball to prove a point. If he is good enough, the point will be proven over the course of the season, not in the first 3 games trying to manufacture touches.

You have to give opportunities, but those touches don't have to be an array of razzle dazzle plays. I agree, just put him out there as a receiver and get him the ball downfield. He is just running Anthony Schwartz plays the team could never run with him on the roster. I don't want to see him as a running back. he has already run near a seasons worth of those. Screw that. I don't want him to be the bubble screen guy.....send him out on routes.

I think he had 9 catches for 40 or so yards. That sucks. Lets get him catching some balls 10-15 yards down field. I can't think of the guys name, he played for us a few years and saw a few plays a game. He went to New England and maybe made a pro-bowl or two. If not, he was a big past of the patriots passing attack. This was maybe 10-12 years ago. Moore reminds me of him.

Anyway, I agree. Give the ball to Strong if you aren't going to run Ford or Hunt before you line up Moore as a back. I am a SEC fan and was a big fan of Moore when playing for Ole Miss. They had good teams there when he played and he played well against SEC competition. It's not like he can't play receiver.

Quit the rinky dink crap.

...I've gone back 20 years through our and the Patriots' roster, and I still have no idea who you are thinking of.

David Patten?

Off the top of my head….David Patten?

Patten played for us in 2000. Time flies.

Yes

It does, and the older you get, the faster it flies. 10-12 years, 23 years, it all starts to run together.

Just goes to show how the days are long but the years are short. I put in endless 14 hour days hammering out the work, feeling like they would never end, and now a decade or two ago feels like last year.

AMEN !!!

David Patten (he was actually good for us for a short stretch lol)

And then a couple of productive years for the Patriots.

Sometimes when I'm bored I'll watch our games from like 2000-2003 and realize that we actually had some pretty good talent ... KJ, Cutt, Davis, Morgan was an awesome WR corps. Pretty good defense and front 7 too. We coulda been better

That's fine tghey can fly under the radar a few more weeks. Win the next two and the media will not ignore them any longer. Loss and the media will continue to think anything positive the Browns do is still a non story.

I worked from home yesterday and watched all the talk shows. I can't remember a single one talking about the Browns except for Florio and Sims.

Screw 'em.

I don't think the run plays by Moore necessarily stand alone in Kevin's mind. I think he may be trying to get teams to keep a LB (or even a S instead of CB) on the field when Moore is back there to get a matchup he wants on a pass concept later. By showing the run, defenses have to prepare to defend it. He may have a tendency breaker in mind to try to get a chunk play later, much like the Ford "sluggo" TD.

Bill Simmons talked about the Browns quite a bit on his podcast yesterday. Beginning at about the ~12min mark...

https://www.theringer.com/the-bill-...s-agony-and-week-4-lines-with-cousin-sal

Seems he was real good for NE for a few years. Not sure if he made a pro bowl, but was near good enough to have made one. Seems like 850 yards receiving....maybe 8 TD's as a high mark, but several seasonsaround 700-800 yards. Pretty productive guy. Maybe played for the giants as well.

This.

Different looks, giving the defense more to think about and setting up other plays with the formation. I'm fine with him in the backfield.

Didn't he play CB in the playoffs/SB the one year b/c they were short-handed?

That was Troy Brown.

Ah, thats right. Thanks Milk.

Good to know there is an out if DW becomes a bad actor on the field. But he is Jimmy’s golden boy QB, so he’s safe I’d say.

I think only the Browns' Rivals and their fans, aka steelers, ravens, bengals, and the new york market would want to rush D. Watson out of his contract with the Browns.

J/C
Browns coach Kevin Stefanski clarified on Monday that Deshaun Watson was medically cleared to face the Ravens by team doctors, and that it was his call to rest his bruised right shoulder.


This is hilarious to me... Some will say he had every right to set but I'm glad that after 40+ years I called it quits on the Browns. This is the first time I've been back to this site in 2 years but I couldn't resist. Anyone that believes Watson is going to be the savior is crazy 🤣🤣

Is anyone surprised? Not me and it will probably happen again when results go south.

I have no idea what you mean about things "going south". Just the week before watson went 27-33 for 2td's, 289 yards and 2 td's. They won 27-3. Is that what you call things going south?

No, he probably means that we’ve saw one decent game out of DW and even though he was cleared to play he didn’t… I had these thoughts before this hit the record, now confirmed, I find DW lacking any and all moxie. What I wouldn’t give to have Baker back under center… DW will set us back 20 years before it’s all over. I hate that trade.