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Yeah it's a very hot topic issue. And it's going to create some very vitriol responses. But this is the place for that.

First I would like to point out that as with anything else, not everyone with Christian beliefs is the same. Just like all democrats aren't far left progressives, Republicans aren't all Trumpians and not all billionaires are evil, not all Christians conduct themselves or believe in exactly the same things.

Let's address this supposed "Attack on Christianity" we keep hearing about. To me that's really nothing more than a deflection. Let's actually look at where an attack is coming from. Are non Christians trying to deny you the right to worship or believe as you choose? As a Christian myself I have encountered nothing of the kind. I'm free to go to any church at any time and have the right to believe any religion I so choose. I in no way feel "under attack". I think a big part of that has to do with the way I practice what I believe Christianity to be.

One of the biggest divides I see among Christians is that some of us feel we have the right to live the life we choose but also not infringing on others to live the life they choose. That we don't have the right to legislate our version of morality and Christian beliefs upon everyone else. If one doesn't believe in gay marriage, don't get gay married. That's your right as much as it is the right of gay people to get married. By trying to infringe on their rights, you are inflicting your beliefs on them. There are may ways in which religion is being used as a weapon to inflict their beliefs on the masses. This is why you feel "attacked". It's because society that believes cramming your religion down their throats is in infringing on them. That you're using religion to discriminate against them. And I would agree. Let's face it, when you use your religion as an excuse not to serve gay people, what you're really saying is "My religion is more important than you being treated the same and as equally as everyone else."

We see those who carry the Christian mantra while objecting to anything that would help those who have needs and are what they consider in a lesser situation than themselves. Let me ask you, what Jesus have you been following that would deny people healthcare, food assistance or a place to live? Because that's most certainly not the Jesus I follow and believe in....


This is the Jesus I believe in. Listening to what some Christians espouse I'm not sure we're even reading the same book. Jesus made it plain to be saved you had to accept his message. Not have his religion crammed down people's throats by forcing them to live the life you think they should.

Maybe if you're a Christian and actually believe you're under attack it's because its often times you attacking those who do not share your religious views. Trying to lessen their value and make sure their rights are lesser than your own.

The general public has been under attack by religious zealots for centuries world wide. Christian or otherwise. The US pledge of allegiance and US coinage have been altered from it’s original form to reflect this. And it’s ironic how all wars are religion instigated conflicts to begin with. Violence begets violence. The beat goes on.

The biggest misconception is that people who claim to be "Christian" are followers of Christ's teachings.

Religion is often interpreted to meet ones needs, or beliefs.

But if you really break the Bible down to it's simplest form it is that we should "love", not in the literal sense, but in the "support each other" idea, one another. It also says we should not judge each other, that that is left for God himself. So if someone is claiming that someone is doing "something" wrong, are they not judging?

We often get caught up in classification or identification of people, and forget that each person is an individual. Each with their own upbringing that shaped their ideals, each with their own struggles and culture, each with their own perspective of the world.

Rather than hate on each other and call out their traits we find wrong, should we not talk to them and try to understand their perspective while explaining ours?

Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else!

I've got no problem with any faith,,, None. Unless they try to push their beliefs on me.. Trying to make me live my life as they see fit..

This is why people have issues with Christianity. For a religion that espouses love thy neighbor, tolerance and acceptance, it does anything but.

Lol. Is their a Christian Oscar category for best faked tears? She deserves it. Almost as good as Tammy

It's always been my belief that having one's own freedom of religion is not permission nor gives you the right to inflict your religious beliefs upon others.

Agree, because in doing so, you are taking away their right to religious freedom

Let us not talk Christianity, Let us live it.
the word let, means to hold,
when we see the word let, in the Holy Bible it means we must hold, hold ourselves, and hold others, because there is a standard.
The Kingdom of heaven is real
Jesus Christ is real. The resurrection from the dead is real.
God the Father, raised Jesus from the dead, several references in the gospels, Jesus said he would raise himself bodily, one reference, in the gospels. So God the Father is who raised Jesus from the dead and that is the sign, that is the hope, that is the proof, in the name, the name of Jesus Christ, of which there is no other name, no other way.
There is no other way to heaven except by Jesus Christ God's only begotten son.

the word let = hold, as in, when we read, let not your heart be troubled, well, we should hold each other to untroubled hearts.

Unless a man be born again he shall not see the Kingdom of Heaven. Unless someone is born again they will not even see what it is that we are talking about.

Jesus said in Rev. 3:20 , Behold I stand at the door and knock, if any man open I will come in and sup with him and he with me,

I'll look it up,.. rev: 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
2I. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spir'=it saith unto the churches.
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First John five:one.
Whosoever believeth that Je'=sus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments; and his commandments are not grevious.
4. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
five. .. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Je'=sus is the Son of God?

.... what is re@uired of us oh man,
but that you love righteousness, and walk humbly before your God, that you abstain from fleshly lusts and keep yourself unspotted from the world.

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What is this world? this world is this world's systems......
commands ? .. oops Prov: I6 : twenty five; There is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death.

Christianity,
We could spend I0 years on the five verses of Prov 6:I6 through 6:20.
These 6 things does the LORD hate: yea seven are an abomination to him:
a proud look,
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if we stop right there, ... in response to anyone who ever said "it's not bragging if you can back it up", .. God hate's that so much, it made the top of the list.
God hates a proud look so much it made the top of the list, of seven , even in front of lying,
which is mentioned two times, or 2and a half, if you count sowing discord as akin to lying,
which can we not mention got mentioned, TWO TIMES in a list only seven things long, that the LORD hates, in proverbs 6:I6.

A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
I8. An heart that deviseth wicked immaginatons, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
nineteen, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
20. My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother.
2I. Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck.
22. When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakes, it shall talk with thee.
23. For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:
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... to sow, is what farmers do to seeds, so to soweth discord among brethren, which is seventh on the list, means
someone would be planting a seed of discord among brethren
and what does a seed grows into a plant that bears a fruit or a crop
so what kind of a crop does sowing discord among brethren cause to later happen? No wonder the LORD hates it, yet it is seventh, which means
the other things were mentioned beforehand on the list and all got a more primary spot on the list.

Here is a response from her own nephew......

You seem pretty willing to do that with peoples rights. Why not religion?

can I ask…Exactly which rights are you talking about?

He's been under attack by the communists for a very long time now.

I0 years? Is your one key stuck too? And I wouldn't spend 10 seconds, let alone 10 years. Asking me to study the bible is like saying to me, "let's study Santa Claus." and expecting me to swallow that Santa is real and controls every aspect of my existence. I know you might struggle with the nonsensical, but I tend to disregard it.