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As of now Vegas has:

Browns to MISS playoffs -120
Browns to MAKE playoffs +100

Vegas are plenty smart - but that is the smallest of differences. It's not quite 50/50 ... probably about a 40-45% chance to make the playoffs. Higher than most of us thought 2 weeks ago.

Yeah, it’s just below 50/50. Obviously this next week will tell a lot after the Raiders game (and after Baltimore faces Green Bay)

The Browns should hope for the Broncos to beat the Bengals, AND the Chiefs to beat the Bengals, both are possible, that would give them 9 losses after the Browns beat the Benagls in the final week.

Browns should hope for the titans to beat the steelers, AND the Chiefs to beat the steelers, that would give them 9 losses after the Browns beat the steelers on Monday Night Football.

Browns should hope or the Packers to beat the ravens, AND the Rams to beat the ravens, and the Bengals to beat the ravens, and the steelers to beat the ravens the final week, that would give them 9 losses and get the Browns smoothest road.

I don't know why reporters express likely losing to the packers.
I think the Browns are Going to BEAT the Packers in green bay on Christmas day. The Browns ALWAYS play well against the packers. The packers don't ever seem to know how to beat the Browns.

BUT THE BROWNS HAVE TO BEAT THE RAIDERS, or they will most likely miss the playoffs altogether.

The Recent, 40-45% stuff is based moreso on questions of the ravens and bengals likeliness to lose 2 of their final games each, and that is something History shows you can never count on.

Even the **** na zis had the battle of the bulge. so you can't count on the similar bengals and ravens to (pukes) to have melt downs, The Browns have to win their own games.

Rooting for that doesn't hurt, but if the Browns don't beat the Bengals, it doesn't really matter. As long as we take care of the games we need to take care of, it doesn't matter what Cinci or Pittsburgh do. We win 3 of 4, including the two divisional games, and both of those teams are irrelevant to us in terms of making the playoffs. Them winning against other AFC teams, however, may be of value to us.

The only divisional foe we need to root against is Baltimore. If they don't lose two games, we cannot take the division.

NEVERMIND. 7-10

Not so. Not anymore now that the division series is split. If the Browns and ravens finish with equal overall records the first tie breaker would be the head to head series, and because they are in the same division the next would be div. record and the Browns if they win out would be 4-2 in the div. Balt alreay 1-3 can finish no better than 3-3 in the div. therefore the Browns would take the division, depending on what happens with Pittsburgh, but by virtue of winning out, (final 2 weeks for the Browns at Pittsburgh and home for Cincy,) the Browns would be ahead of cincy if the Browns finish 11-6.

If the Browns finish 11-6 and the Ravens don't lose at all, the Browns would get 2nd place in the AFC North 1/2 game at least above Pittsburgh and a tie break at least above sweeping cincy.

However, at 11-6, they could still miss the playoffs, IF If the Colts and Bills win out, and that includes giving 2 losses to the Patriots
If everybody ended 11-6,
the Chargers and Patriots would have tie breaks over the Browns (head 2 head win loss)
the Colts would have a tie break over the Browns by common games including them beating Arizona, and New England (still have to play both)
the Bills would be very close the common games may be equal? and strength of victory they had a 3.5 lead, we'd need to benefit from beating the packers, and hope the lions, others win, and the bills opponents lose, Carolina, falcons, jets.
But in that case the Bills and Browns would be fighting for a #8 spot which is not a playoff berth anyway.

But if the Ravens lose twice and the Browns lose once only, then you could see the same thing at 10-7 as you'd see at 11-6

Basically The Browns are in a 4 game single elimination play in tournament for a playoff spot, which could very well be a division winning home game. If they win all 4.

The Packers are a lot like the bengals, all 4 of those games the Browns could win.

If you want to go either way in the Bengals vs Broncos game that's fine. edit: The Browns should always root for the bengals to lose, so Broncos over bengals because if you're not in 1st or closest to first in your division then your are taken out of the picture before everyone else. But the Browns should be rooting hard for, this week

1. The Browns to beat the Raiders, (obviously) and

2. The Titans to beat the steelers
3. The Patriots to beat the colts
4. the Panthers to beat the bills and
5. the Packers to beat the Ravens.

if you want the Chiefs and chargers to go either way, it's probably better if the Chiefs win, chargers lose or if they tie but for this week, to start with those ^5 would be great!

Four Games to Qualify!

Wow, that's really complicated.

If the Browns go 3-1 losing to the Packers
Ravens go 2-2 losing to any combination of the Packers, Bengals, Rams, Steelers
Bengals go 2-2 losing to the Browns and either Broncos, Ravens, Chiefs
Steelers lose to the Browns, nothing else matters.

If we go 3-1, with a loss to the Packers, the odds are strongly in our favor to win the division since neither the Ravens nor the Bengals have inspired a whole lot of confidence lately (though neither have we).... if we go 3-1 losing a division game we need a lot more things to break our way...

One game at a time.

Ok so who do we need to root for tomorrow so I can pretend Cleveland is even gonna win their final 2 games one more week.

Bengals and Chiefs.

Bengals and Chiefs. and we have a sliver of hope until we lose next week lol

Browns to win out.. Balt and Cincy to lose

Go Browns, Go Chefs, go Lambs

You got that right. It's not a far fetched scenario at all.

Go Broncos and then Chargers next week!

And Patriots next week!

Most likely:

Browns Locked up 12th place in the AFC, when they couldn't run out the clock up 14-13 on the Raiders, 2 weeks ago.
12th place, out of 16. With all that talent. stupid.
Same story 25 years and counting.

Beat the Ravens forcing 4 turnovers and beat the Steelers who had no kicker and maybe you make the playoffs. The Green Bay game was icing on the cake.

The Browns can't ahead of the Colts or Raiders, and the top 5 spots in the playoffs are set, so how are the Browns not mathematically eliminated yet.

Only chance is if the Broncos' finish 2nd place in the AFC west, and that game is going on right now.
Trailing 3-17 against the LA Chargers, the Broncos have to come back and win against the Chargers or the Browns would be mathematically eliminated, before the kickoff tomorrow night, Monday night against Pittsburgh.

Best I can figure.

Only teams still alive, are Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Raiders, Colts, (not sure about Miami,) and if the Chargers win this game they are leading 17-3 at halftime, that would eliminate both the Broncos and Browns along with the other results from today.

Edit I was wrong. Because the Raidrs swept the Broncos, and the chargers current record,
There is no scenario in which the Broncos finish in 2nd place in the AFC West. and therefore no matter the result of the game above,
the Browns and Broncos are already eliminated from wild card contention, and the Browns are eliminated from the division,
so if anybody can tell me at this minute,
how the Browns, mathematically are not eliminated, I'd like to see how that would work.

That’s that.

Can we lock the thread?

Lock the thread and shut down the starters... let baker get surgery...

How are the Raiders not in a playoff spot? They just beat the Colts today, have the same record 9-7, isn’t the head to head the tie breaker?

If 3 or more teams have the same record the very first tie breaker is whomever is not in the highest rank of their own division,
ie. 1st place in their division, or in this case 2nd place in their division,

So, AFTER, the Chargers game ended and they won, iirc, the colts, Chargers, and Raiders all at 9-7 would take a look at
any team not in 2nd in their own div. would be eliminated first and they'd look at the two teams remaining,

so They'd go to the AFC west where the Cheifs have the top spot and the Chargers and Raiders would be tied, and
as of now, the Chargers have the head to head over the raiders in the week #4 matchup.
therefore they have the 2nd rank spot in their own div. the afc west,

then it becomes a one on one consideration between the remaining teams still tied at 9-7. (this occurs only when it is ""3"" or more teams tied at the same record)

Either way, the Chargers, and Raiders play next week, week 17 and the winner...
nfl tie breaking procedures:
3 or more clubs from different divisions. " Note if 2 clubs remain tied after a 3rd or others is eliminated, revert back to step 1 of the applicable 2 club format.
A. Apply the tie breakers to eliminate ALL but the highest ranked club in each division PRIOR to proceding to step 2
B. The original seeding within a division (from div. tie break) remains the same for ALL LATER applications of the procedure necessary to identify the 2(3) wild card partciapants.
step 1. ^
step 1. continued. - step 2. Head to Head sweep, only if one club has defeated Each Of The Others, or if 1 club has lost to each
step 3. best w-L % in conference games
step 4. best record in common games minimum 4
step 5. strength of victory
step 6 strength of schedule. " and it continues to step 12 coin toss.
edit.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-tie-breaking-procedures/

in today.
The Colts are out because they are now 9-8 (7-5 3-3) 2nd place in the AFC South won by the Titans.

The 7 playoff seeds go 1-7
1 the division winner with the best record, Tenn. Titans, AFC South, 12-5 (7-5 5-1) beat the chiefs in week 7 secured a first round bye
2. the division winner with the 2nd best record. Kansas City Chiefs 12-5 (7-5 5-1) lost head to head to the titans

3 the division winner with the 3rd best record. Buffalo Bills, if they win, (even if they finish the same as the Patriots both at 11-6
assuming they beat the jets, and patriots come back against the dolphins, ) if BOTH the pats and bills lose the bengals.."may" be back in the running for spot #3 but I think they'll go in spot #4.
#4 the division winner with the 4th best record.

The Bills currently lead the jets 13-7
the Patriots currently trail the dolphins 10-17. now.

If either the Bills or Patriots win their game they will be a div. winner AHEAD of the bengals at an 11-6 overall record, however if the bills and patriots BOTH lose,

The Bills still win their shared div. the AFC east, on strength of the div record.
Bills would be 10-7 (4-2 in the div. 6-6 in the afc)
and the Pats would be in 2nd place in that div. at 10-7 3-3 in the div. 8-4 in the afc

While the Bengals are after losing to the Browns 10-7, 8-4 in the afc, and their div record wouldn't matter 4-2... What would matter
is,
if the Pats and Bills both lose, then the Bills get their AFC EAst div. at 10-7 on div record, and would compare 1 against 1 against the Bengals and on head to head, bills and bengals didn't play, so on conf. record, (vs the afc) the Bengals 10-7, 8-4
beats the bills at 10-7 6-6,
... .... the bengals would get the #3 seed in the playoffs on an 8-4 vs buffalos' 6-6 record for each against the AFC.
that is if the Bills and Patriots both lose.

I think we can.