The first Tuesday in November,2008 it will happen. That's all.
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, .
You DO realize Bush cannot run again, don't you? I mean, if you say you didn't know that (which you won't) I won't hold it against you. And if you DON'T admit you didn't know that.........well, the rest of us know what you were thinking anyway - so either way - admit you didn't know it, or don't admit it and look even more foolish.
You DO realize Bush cannot run again, don't you? I mean, if you say you didn't know that (which you won't) I won't hold it against you. And if you DON'T admit you didn't know that.........well, the rest of us know what you were thinking anyway - so either way - admit you didn't know it, or don't admit it and look even more foolish.
Do you think you could have put the guy in any more a vinegary pickle ???
You DO realize Bush cannot run again, don't you? I mean, if you say you didn't know that (which you won't) I won't hold it against you. And if you DON'T admit you didn't know that.........well, the rest of us know what you were thinking anyway - so either way - admit you didn't know it, or don't admit it and look even more foolish.
Of course I know it. I'm not stupid, I just can't wait to get those assclowns out of office.
There's already a countdown for Dick and George's last day.
Is there a prediction thread, for who makes it thru the primaries?
Im going to go with Clinton, (she may lose Iowa but her lead in New Hampshire is just overwhelming).
And Huckabee....ya thats right you heard it here first, Huckabee the Governor from Arkansas, he's the candidate the republicans are waiting to fall in love with...
Iowa is wide open right now and in those caucuses the voters do a solid job of getting to know the lesser known candidates... I expect a groundswell of support for him as Evangelical Christian voters get to meet this man.
JMHO
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Quote: The first Tuesday in November,2008 it will happen. That's all.
Actually it is the first Tuesday to follow a Monday in November. I know this because my birthday is the ealiest possible date that election day can be on. (November 2nd) Yes, I just couldn't resist saying this.
Keep an eye on Ron Paul . He is moving up with a grass roots movement .. I think he will surprise in the early primary's . The GOP. itself is having a fit .
Quote: Im going to go with Clinton, (she may lose Iowa but her lead in New Hampshire is just overwhelming).
I'm not sure on that. The new NH Rasmussen poll released today has her lead down to 10%. In the past three polls, her lead has gone 23-16-10. Its still a big lead, but if Obama can get that down to 5-6% with a strong showing in Iowa, it could be a real race.
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Quote: Keep an eye on Ron Paul . He is moving up with a grass roots movement .. I think he will surprise in the early primary's . The GOP. itself is having a fit .
Ron Paul is the only man I'd vote for.
This article pretty much sums things up (although I can't get behind his optimism)...
NEW YORK (CNN) -- Pakistan's President, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has carried out another coup to preserve the status quo, and the result has been violence and civil unrest. But chaos is hardly limited to Pakistan.
Some 100,000 Turkish troops are massed on Iraq's northern border eager to attack Kurdish rebels. Iran continues to defy the West in its pursuit of nuclear weapons, while supporting Shiite insurgents in Iraq. More of our troops have been killed this year in Iraq than in any year since the war began, and the war has now lasted longer than World War II. It is no coincidence that as instability and violence spreads through the Islamic world, and particularly in the Middle East, the price of crude oil is nearing $100 a barrel.
The United States also faces critical geopolitical and economic challenges from Russia and China, while the U.S. dollar plummets in world currency markets and our credit markets are racked by a trillion-dollar subprime-mortgage crisis and nearly 2 million home foreclosures.
And, yes, we have a president and a Congress who are held in not only disregard but also contempt by the American people. Not only are the poll ratings of both President Bush and this Congress at or near historic lows, but the vast majority of Americans also believe our great nation is headed in the wrong direction.
As I say in my new book -- Independents Day: Awakening the American Spirit -- the arrogance of our political leaders now threatens the future of our nation, and their elitist sense of entitlement has reached such heights that our leaders are now openly dismissive of the will of the people. Working men and women and their families are simply not being represented in Washington.
One year from now, we will have elected a new president. As eager as I am for that reality, I can't imagine any one of the current candidates for their party's nomination being chosen by the American people to lead this nation for the next four years. I believe the person elected a year from now will be an Independent populist, a man or woman who understands the genius of this country lies in the hearts and minds of its people and not in the prerogatives and power of its elites.
As I travel around the country, my feeling about the lack of true candidates is validated by those I talk with: They are not excited about the candidates seeking their party's nomination. The Democratic and Republican Parties have become merely opposite wings of the same bird, and it's the American people who are getting the bird as our elected officials serve their corporate masters and the special interest groups that dominate both parties.
Has anything really changed since the Democrats took office after the 2006 midterm elections? Has this Congress passed any real legislation aimed at helping this nation's middle class versus corporate America and the wealthiest among us?
Take, for example, the Senate Democrats who for some reason can't decide whether to close the hedge fund tax loophole that allows executives at private equity firms and hedge funds to pay a tax rate of only 15 percent on most of their income. Closing the loophole would be the best way to reform the alternative minimum tax and provide relief for millions of middle-class families, but these Senate Democrats are being guided by the almighty forces of campaign contributions and lobbying dollars. These Senate Democrats, like their Republican colleagues, are serving a few wealthy folks at the expense of our working men and women.
The presidential candidates on both sides of the aisle are fighting for campaign contributions and selling themselves to corporate America in the process, and we all know the end result of such practices. Corporate America is funneling money into both political parties, hedging their bets in the hopes that no matter which candidate is eventually elected, all their political bases are covered. Donating the maximum $2,300 contribution to two candidates whose ideologies are of direct contradiction is now commonplace.
The day will come soon when we'll have the opportunity to choose new leaders who understand and respect our independence and right of self-determination. We the people still possess the power to chart the course of our own destiny. I don't know who will win the next election, but I doubt that independent Americans will choose any one of the announced candidates now running.
More Americans than ever before are now identifying themselves as independents, and I hope millions of Americans in the day and weeks ahead will drop their party affiliation and become independents, refusing to be taken for granted by these two political parties and refusing to be taken for fools by the candidates they're putting forward.
I believe that independent Americans will demand a far better choice than any of the candidates now seeking their party's nomination. I believe next November's surprise will be the election of a man or woman of great character, vision and accomplishment, a candidate who has not yet entered the race.
Quote: Keep an eye on Ron Paul . He is moving up with a grass roots movement .. I think he will surprise in the early primary's . The GOP. itself is having a fit .
Dr. Ron Paul will getting my vote. I've been nothing but impressed by what he's had to say, he's a man of integrity and honesty, and his message is clear.
Neat video, the song goes well.
I want the Cleveland Browns to be my pallbearers so they can let me down for the last time.
I'm liking Ron Paul, and I hope he can make some major noise in the primaries. I don't agree with some of what he says, but I like his overall message ... and that's reduce government. He's pretty much a Libretarian, but that's alright with me.
Quote: My anticipation is on hold for a couple of more months:
Gotta go Clinton/Fred on this election.
Bottom line, the GOP wants a self professed Christian. That would be Fred. McCain,while I think would make a pretty good President, his political shelf life has expired.
That leaves Fred as the only solid *Christian* conservative on the GOP ticket. The base will be his and that is the deciding factor in primaries.
Hilary has morphed into what she feels the moderates will support. Those who were so very disenfranchised with the Bush administration.
So I see it as a Fred/Hilary showdown at this juncture.
JMHO
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Quote: Bottom line, the GOP wants a self professed Christian.
That's not true at all. Rudy has been one of the front runners since the campaign began, and he's about as far as you can get for a religious conservative.
Things like abortion and gay marriage will be important issues, and most candidates fall in line with what republicans want. Other than that, I don't think republicans are going to care how "holy" their candidate is.
Hillary- Unless she comes up with some sort of solid miracle policy I just can't see myself voting for her. That being said, she will most likely win the nomination.
Obama- I could see myself voting for him, but he just doesn't have that much political experience. He is the only democrat who will challenge Hillary
Gore- Gore has stated he's not running, but after getting a piece of the nobel prize his party may push him. Initial polls would give you an idea of how he'd fair, but I think hes too late to win anything.
Edwards- Will have to hope for a VP nod again, he isn't going to win the nomination.
McCain- John McCain was the guy I wanted. In 2000 up until recently. However he has missed so many Senate votes while campaigning and his support for Bush, while helping his party, he has just fallen from grace. At the top of the year he had a comfortable lead to get the nomination. Now he's barely holding on to 3rd place. He's one of the two people I would vote for at this moment.
Guliani- I'm sorry but if 9-11 doesn't happen, Rudy isn't a presidential candidate. I admire the man for what he did. But his next choice of office should have been Senate or Governor. He just doesn't have the qualifications. My friends have said his campaign will be in large part to how he handled 9-11. Give him credit, but his opponents will tear him apart for his personal life and inexperience. I wouldn't mind seeing him as VP though.
Thompson- Fred came late and while he originally made a splash in the polls, hes started to fall behind. Maybe a VP but I just don't see him being elected.
Romney- While I like Mitt, again I'm just not completely sold on him. He has yet to prove to me that he has what it takes to lead this country. I also think, even though it shouldn't matter, his religious beliefs will hurt him come election day.
Paul- I really like Ron Paul, it's a shame he won't get the nod though. I would love to see him as president. Everything he says makes sense, but his timing to run couldn't be worse. The republican party for the past 7 years has been run by the neocons of the party. Bush has preached religion and the Iraq war, and Paul is just too unorthodox for the party to commit to him. Had he run in 2000 or even 2012 I think he would fair a lot better. I don't agree with getting rid of all the departments but his ideas on us concentrating mainly on ourselves and not worrying about the rest of the world is a message I hear. He is looking towards the future of the country because of the reckless amount we are spending on foriegn policy and the devaluization of the US dollar. I think that if Ron Paul could get the nomination, he would defeat whoever the democrats put up, but he won't.
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
"...Guliani- I'm sorry but if 9-11 doesn't happen, Rudy isn't a presidential candidate. I admire the man for what he did. But his next choice of office should have been Senate or Governor. He just doesn't have the qualifications. My friends have said his campaign will be in large part to how he handled 9-11. Give him credit, but his opponents will tear him apart for his personal life and inexperience. I wouldn't mind seeing him as VP though."
I do not want to be seen as ridiculing but "if 9-11 doesn't happen, Rudy isn't a presidential candidate. " If B. Hussein Obama wasn't black...if Hillary wasn't married to Bill...if Edwards weren't a multi millionaire ambulance chaser Senator...if Ron Paul wasn't an isolationist...if McCain hadn't been held in the Hanoi Hilton for 5 years............................................................none would be legit candidates.
Ron Paul won't be a major factor in the general election as Rudy faces Hillary. Edwards is done...Obama never was serious- he is Hillary's wing man...McCain is toast and Thompson is lazy. Only Romney has a chance to upset Rudy...but he won't.
Rudy has no more skeletons in his closet than Hillary has herself...actually Hillary has a few real skeletons surrounding her past in Arkansas which unfortunately will be brought up again. Rudy is as tough as Hillary and his cancer scare will negate the Hillary scorned woman aspect.
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, .
The 30% of hardcore Dem voters would vote for Aunt Bee if she were running as a Dem. The 30% hardcore Reps. would vote for Sheriff Andy if he were an Elephant.
The race as always comes down to who motivates the remaining 40% of probable voters. There are maybe 10% principled independent and aware voters in America who will vote issues and traditional values the other 30% will vote against "the Clintons" or against the "Bush War Team"---regardless of the individual name put before the voters.
Are there enough women and progressives[nanny staters, anti-warriors, feminists] to offset the male voters/pro military women who won't vote for "that woman" no matter what??????
Rudy is definitely no Reagan but Hillary is certainly no Bill Clinton!
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, .
I wonder if a republican stays in office? Then 4 years later that prez has the 2nd lowest approval rating in history. Then the people who voted for that prez defend their vote for the 2nd lowest approval rating?
Im just wondering, because if that happens it will be 2 terms in a row, that would be funny.
Rudy can't stir the base. Just watch. The GOP political machine won't permit that to happen. It will be Fred or Mitt. If not?
It won't make any difference who you vote for. Both Hillary and Rudy have made themselves over to "be what you want them to be". Both shadey flip floppers. They are exactly the same.
It will be Mitt or Fred. It will be a conservative. Rudy is not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. And Fred is a Christian while Mitt is a Mormon. Advantage? Fred.
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Well, I hope not. Unfortunatly, I think he might just get the nod ... on name recognition alone. I think that's the problem with politics these days. People will just vote for a name they know. That's why it's very possible that we could go into a 6th presidential term with only two last names being used.
Quote: Rudy can't stir the base. Just watch. The GOP political machine won't permit that to happen. It will be Fred or Mitt. If not?
Why won't they permit that to happen? Nobody's ever heard of Fred ... I think they would push Rudy more than anybody, just because he's more "electable" ... (meaning, he has more name recognition). Religion has nothing to do with anything here.
Quote: It won't make any difference who you vote for. Both Hillary and Rudy have made themselves over to "be what you want them to be". Both shadey flip floppers. They are exactly the same.
I'll agree with that ... also probably why'll they end up getting the nominations too.
Quote: It will be Mitt or Fred. It will be a conservative. Rudy is not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination. And Fred is a Christian while Mitt is a Mormon. Advantage? Fred.
Now this I'll agree with. Morman isn't thought of as your typical "chrisitan" religion. Catholics have this problem in elections to a lesser extent. Between Mitt and Fred ... two not very known candidates, Mitt will take a hit just because he's Mormon. Any other religion, and I think he'd do better (even if he was non-practicing).
But you think the GOP is going to push Fred over Rudy?? Nobody's heard of Fred. You think they'd WANT to put him up against Hillary or Obama?
Ron Paul is the wild card here. His name is getting out there, and he's got enough "conservative values" to appease the base. He'd have a much better chance to beat a democrat than Fred or Mitt would I think. I'm hoping that the short comings of the other three (Rudy's too liberal, Mitt's morman, Fred's unknown) will translate into more votes for the wild card Ron.
I disagree that Fred is an unknown. There has been a great deal of interest surrounding Fred for a number of YEARS now.. especially in the south. And the Republicans know that they will live and die with the south in this and most any national election...
Rudy is the choice for the Republicans already...the party brass knows it and so do the Democrats.
The base wants someone...anyone... to stop Hilary Clinton. Rudy doesn't need to be seen in the local Baptist Church to be a better choice than Hillary. He only needs to reiterate that he will appoint judges to the Supreme Court who follow the Constitution rather than their 21st C new age adaptation of it in a liberal America.
Romney takes second spot on the ticket and when the Clinton machine starts the negative mud bath Rudy can hang with them.
Ron Paul has NO CHANCE AMONG REPUBLICANS because of his Libertarian roots. I would vote for him but when his position on legalizing narcotics,open borders and total isolationism become well known he will drop like Fred Thompson[what a lazy schmuck].
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, .
Quote: I disagree that Fred is an unknown. There has been a great deal of interest surrounding Fred for a number of YEARS now.. especially in the south. And the Republicans know that they will live and die with the south in this and most any national election...
That is why, despite popular belief, it is the Hillbilly's that determine the elections.
There is a direct correlation between one's level of redneck and party affiliation.
Quote: Ron Paul has NO CHANCE AMONG REPUBLICANS because of his Libertarian roots. I would vote for him but when his position on legalizing narcotics,open borders and total isolationism become well known he will drop like Fred Thompson[what a lazy schmuck].
Open borders?
It's my understanding that Paul wants to build a wall.
I don't think Fred is an unknown, in fact I have known, and I feeI most people have known who he was for years.
Here is my line of thinking as to why Huckabee wins the Republican, nod. At the crux of the reason why democrats feel they are a shoo in to win is that nationally Bush's approval rating is crap, while amongst staunch republicans it is quite high. The quandry this creates for a republican to be elctable as president is that to make it through the primaries they have to be much like Bush, but that is the opposite of what the general public wants from their next president. Hence, democrats think they will beat whichever Bush-light comes out of the GOP primary.
Huckabee, will strike a chord with the evangelical christian base of the party, making him capable of getting out of the primaries. At the same time, he is well spoken and thoughtful enough, with solid, unique, and thought out enough takes on the issues that he can also appear to be uinlike Bush.
IMO
When it gets cold and snows and the wind blows, you gotta be able to run the ball. - TR
Quote: Rudy is the choice for the Republicans already...the party brass knows it and so do the Democrats..
I don't think so.
Rudy is FAR too liberal. The base would fall over and die rather than support Rudy!
A vote for Rudy? You may as well be voting for Hillary. They're both fake as hell and have little to NO family values. The Dems would have a field day with Rudy.
What kind of double standard would that be for the dems to play with. The moral majority backing a guy who's kids are astranged from him, moved a woman into his house before he and his former wife was ever divorced?
Rudy was MADE for the Dems to defeat. I can see the ads now. The GOP won't stand a chance in hell if they run Rudy. I would gladly vote for Mitt or Fred. But a vote for some fake BS like Rudy or Hillary?
Not on your life. I'd write in Ron Paul if my choices were cut down to Hillary and Rudy. Two fake politicians running for two fake partys. Because if the GOP actually stands for what it says it does and they run Rudy?
They're just as fake as the Dems. They have one last chance to redeem themselves to their conservative base that makes their party the power that it is. And if they botch it up this time, they're destined to ruin.
JMHO
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I disagree with Huckabee on a lot of issues, but he is quite engaging to listen to, IMO. If he wins the Republican nod, the Dems could have quite a challenge, especially come debate time.
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Quote: Is there a prediction thread, for who makes it thru the primaries?
Im going to go with Clinton, (she may lose Iowa but her lead in New Hampshire is just overwhelming).
And Huckabee....ya thats right you heard it here first, Huckabee the Governor from Arkansas, he's the candidate the republicans are waiting to fall in love with...
Iowa is wide open right now and in those caucuses the voters do a solid job of getting to know the lesser known candidates... I expect a groundswell of support for him as Evangelical Christian voters get to meet this man.
Mitt Romney, despite heavy spending and intensive campaigning, finds himself in a tightening battle with Mike Huckabee in Iowa, forcing Romney to confront aggressively an opponent with far less money and organizational backing who was far back in the polls a few weeks ago.
more stories like this Poll: In N.H. Clinton and Romney maintain double-digit leads Romney assails foes on immigration Poll: Dems deadlocked, Huckabee gaining NH could turn GOP race upside down Pat Robertson endorsement of Giuliani shows schism among Christian conservatives Huckabee appeared to delight in the attention from Romney, who blasted Huckabee for having fought for tuition breaks for children of illegal immigrants while governor of Arkansas.
"The fact that I am being attacked is a good sign," Huckabee said yesterday on Fox News Channel. "It's a sign of life. This is hunting season. I'm a hunter. You don't ever point your gun at a dead carcass. A lot of folks are pointing at me."
Seven weeks before the Jan. 3 caucuses, a New York Times/CBS News Poll published yesterday had Romney capturing support from 27 percent of likely Republican voters, but Huckabee within striking range with 21 percent. Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani was third with 15 percent, Fred Thompson had 9 percent, and John McCain and Ron Paul had 4 percent each. As recently as September, Huckabee was in the single digits.
"It happened," a memo from the Huckabee campaign said yesterday. "We broke 20% in Iowa, which pulled us to within 6% of Governor Romney!"
DEFINING MOMENTS | JOHN EDWARDS A dark diagnosis reaffirmed a commitment to help the poor Huckabee surges to 2d in Iowa poll of GOP voters Campaign notebook Clinton says she will not support driver's license plan Dan Payne Hold off on the Clinton coronation More coverage for Campaign '08
Huckabee has been staking much of his campaign on Iowa, hoping that a win in caucuses there, the first nomination votes of 2008, will vault his relatively shoestring candidacy to prominence in delegate-rich states. Romney has invested heavily in Iowa as part of his strategy to capture the early-voting states.
Romney's aides sought to downplay Huckabee's surge. "This latest public poll indicates Governor Romney's campaign is right where it needs it to be in Iowa: in a competitive position as the caucus date draws closer," spokesman Kevin Madden wrote in an e-mail yesterday to reporters.
But in recent days, Romney has clearly been taking Huckabee more seriously, hammering him for backing the tuition break plan. "Giving a better deal to the children of illegal aliens than we give to US citizens from surrounding states is simply not fair and not right," Romney told reporters during a stop in Iowa on Tuesday.
Huckabee has said the plan gave merit scholarships to children of illegal immigrants, provided they were applying for citizenship. He has argued that barring those children would penalize them for their parents' misdeeds.
On Fox News yesterday, Huckabee was more pointed in his response to Romney: "I guess Mitt Romney would rather keep people out of college so they can keep working on his lawn, since he had illegals there."
That refers to a Globe report in December that the landscaping service working on Romney's lawn in Belmont employed several illegal immigrants. Romney has said his family checked that the employer was legal, but didn't know about the workers.
A University of Iowa political scientist, Bruce Gronbeck, predicted a tight race between Huckabee and Romney, "and then you get to the question of who comes out on a cold January night," he said. On that score, Gronbeck gave the advantage to Romney's fund-raising and vast network of backers.
"That could be the difference," Gronbeck said.
When it gets cold and snows and the wind blows, you gotta be able to run the ball. - TR
Rudy is FAR too liberal. The base would fall over and die rather than support Rudy!
A vote for Rudy? You may as well be voting for Hillary. They're both fake as hell and have little to NO family values. The Dems would have a field day with Rudy.
What kind of double standard would that be for the dems to play with. The moral majority backing a guy who's kids are astranged from him, moved a woman into his house before he and his former wife was ever divorced?
Rudy was MADE for the Dems to defeat. I can see the ads now. The GOP won't stand a chance in hell if they run Rudy. I would gladly vote for Mitt or Fred. But a vote for some fake BS like Rudy or Hillary? "
Me I understand your position that Republican base voters would not vote for a man like Rudy for President. I understand your assumption that they will only nominate a conservative with better Christian credentials.
The difference is that Rudy's personal faults are less an issue to conservative Christian Republicans than is their his perception of him as an experienced leader with plenty of experience in a dangerous time.
Pit...Rudy has made an issue out of admiting his past sins and indiscretions. He has stated time and time again that he is a man with flaws and faults who is far from perfect...which we all are. He has gotten out in front of this big problem and framed the dialogue before Hillary and team Clinton have.
You can't believe that Rudy will get the nomination ...I can't believe that he wouldn't.
He will face off versus the Clintons and when the mud against him starts flying we'll see who has been willing to admit their past mistakes and indiscetions to the American people. The election will come down to Independent men voters versus Independent women voters.......................... and I'm not so sure that all those ladies who want to have a woman Prez...really want to have this woman as their President.
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, .
You DO realize Bush cannot run again, don't you? I mean, if you say you didn't know that (which you won't) I won't hold it against you. And if you DON'T admit you didn't know that.........well, the rest of us know what you were thinking anyway - so either way - admit you didn't know it, or don't admit it and look even more foolish.
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I know this because my birthday is the ealiest possible date that election day can be on. (November 2nd) Yes, I just couldn't resist saying this. 
