He had the falling out with Seattle in the off-season and the Seahawks are struggling, so he could potentially be available. Realize that this trade would start wit hus giving them Baker and next year's 1st
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
Everyone seems to agree that Case will be fine until Baker is ready again. Don't disagree, but we've seen this situation before...we convince ourselves the backup will be ok. Then the backup gets hurt. So if Case gets blasted by TJ Watt on a blitz this weekend and is concussed, is the season lost? Is Baker technically available? Would it be better to activate Mullens and put Baker on IR, or just keep Baker on the active roster, hoping he will be ready soon and will not be needed before he's ready?
Also, JESTER...yes. 1000%. Not a short-term rental, and I think that this FO is good enough that we can withstand the loss of multiple years of 25th+ picks.
From a purely Baker centric viewpoint, I think he should be shut down for 4-6 weeks to let the bone fracture heal. I am concerned that a hit could do some serious damage to that bone.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
Everyone seems to agree that Case will be fine until Baker is ready again. Don't disagree, but we've seen this situation before...we convince ourselves the backup will be ok. Then the backup gets hurt. So if Case gets blasted by TJ Watt on a blitz this weekend and is concussed, is the season lost? Is Baker technically available? Would it be better to activate Mullens and put Baker on IR, or just keep Baker on the active roster, hoping he will be ready soon and will not be needed before he's ready?
Mayfield should be the back up in this one. If it gets so bad that Keenum is knocked out of the game you put Mayfield in and lock in to a running game to protect Mayfield's mortal remains. I don't see the burning need to wreck Mayfield to try to salvage what is going to be a good, but not great season. It's not like he'd be in top form anyway.
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Everyone seems to agree that Case will be fine until Baker is ready again. Don't disagree, but we've seen this situation before...we convince ourselves the backup will be ok. Then the backup gets hurt. So if Case gets blasted by TJ Watt on a blitz this weekend and is concussed, is the season lost? Is Baker technically available? Would it be better to activate Mullens and put Baker on IR, or just keep Baker on the active roster, hoping he will be ready soon and will not be needed before he's ready?
Mayfield should be the back up in this one. If it gets so bad that Keenum is knocked out of the game you put Mayfield in and lock in to a running game to protect Mayfield's mortal remains. I don't see the burning need to wreck Mayfield to try to salvage what is going to be a good, but not great season. It's not like he'd be in top form anyway.
If that's the case, couldn't Nick Mullens just hand the ball off for 3 downs just as well as an injured Baker could without risking further injury?
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I don't know if there is any chance Seattle trades Wilson. He did make a stink this off season and it seems like there is still some gruffness to their relationship and they are 2-5 in the same division as the 7-0 Cardinals. Would they give up Wilson for Baker and two 1st? Perhaps Baker, two 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd? I don't know but it isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Regardless, my question was more to the board about whether they people would be in favor of or opposed to a mega trade to get Wilson. Mostly along the hypothetical of Baker being done for the season.
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I do appreciate you posting the info, but I'm not sure it's cool for a doctor to be commenting on Mayfield's ability to play without having examined him or seeing his scans and X-rays.
I do appreciate you posting the info, but I'm not sure it's cool for a doctor to be commenting on Mayfield's ability to play without having examined him or seeing his scans and X-rays.
It's just a guy trying to build a business.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
I do appreciate you posting the info, but I'm not sure it's cool for a doctor to be commenting on Mayfield's ability to play without having examined him or seeing his scans and X-rays.
It's just a guy trying to build a business.
He was the Chargers team doctor for 17 years. Yes, he's building a new business. He's been incredibly accurate in his video analysis, diagnosis and time table for return for players.
Dave... he specifically states he has not personally evaluated Mayfield. He's simply offering his professional opinion.
I think what some seem to be missing with the idea of signing a new QB, be it Russell Wilson, Cam or anyone else is that they do not know the offense. Whether that's the entire offense, verbiage or route trees. What we would be doing is bringing someone in mid season that would have to first learn the offense or critical parts of it. I don't see that as a practical solution. IMO that's the very reason Keenum was signed. Sure, he's physically limited, but he's also plug and play at the position. That's a comfort level we would not find in anyone else we could sign.
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I do appreciate you posting the info, but I'm not sure it's cool for a doctor to be commenting on Mayfield's ability to play without having examined him or seeing his scans and X-rays.
It's just a guy trying to build a business.
He was the Chargers team doctor for 17 years. Yes, he's building a new business. He's been incredibly accurate in his video analysis, diagnosis and time table for return for players.
Dave... he specifically states he has not personally evaluated Mayfield. He's simply offering his professional opinion.
You're mixing up stories. He was not one the Chargers team doctors and was no longer a Chargers team physician when Tyrod Taylor got stabbed in the lung in 2020.
Was he the guy who stabbed Tyrod Taylor in the lung, or am I mixing up my stories?
Nope, that quack came after this one... After reading about Chao, they probably upgraded, regardless of the stabbing incident:
The Chao dossier is lengthy. Two drinking-and-driving citations. A DEA investigation. Accusations that he enabled his former partner's prescription-drug habit. Four lawsuits from former Chargers he had treated. In early 2011, reporter Brent Schrotenboer, Chao's most dedicated watchdog, counted 20 lawsuits filed against Chao since 1998, with at least eight of those "settled with payouts to plaintiffs." Another was decided last summer, when Chao was found liable for negligence and fraud in the case of a 15-year-old girl, Whitney Engler, who had been disfigured in the course of Chao's treatment.
I think what some seem to be missing with the idea of signing a new QB, be it Russell Wilson, Cam or anyone else is that they do not know the offense. Whether that's the entire offense, verbiage or route trees. What we would be doing is bringing someone in mid season that would have to first learn the offense or critical parts of it. I don't see that as a practical solution. IMO that's the very reason Keenum was signed. Sure, he's physically limited, but he's also plug and play at the position. That's a comfort level we would not find in anyone else we could sign.
I don't see where there is much pressure at all on Keenum. Just needs to do what he does, needs to throw the ball well enough to make teams think twice before they stack the box against the run, make good decisions...
The real pressure is on Joe Woods and the defense. If we give up 35+ points (like we've done in all 3 of our losses), it's going to be hard for Keenum to win, just like it was for Baker... if we can keep teams in the low 20s or better (like we've done in all 4 of our wins), then we have a pretty good shot. I think it's about that simple.
That's what happens when some new name starts to get bandied about and is expected to be taken as unquestioned gospel He SHOULD be questioned, and his opinion - especially on training techniques & practices such as above - should not be taken as absolute in any way.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
That's what happens when some new name starts to get bandied about and is expected to be taken as unquestioned gospel He SHOULD be questioned, and his opinion - especially on training techniques & practices such as above - should not be taken as absolute in any way.
I don’t really care either way, but this doctor has been doing this online for several years and has been pretty accurate.
Again I was just thinking out loud. The premise was: 1.Baker was going to shut down and get his surgery so I was thinking a long term solution 2. Case is a good ONE - TWO game solution not long term but why he is paid money to be our backup. Also he is very familiar with the offense and I'm sure is a positive to the QB room.
Anyways doesn't seem to be shutting Baker down sure do hope he plays vs Steelers!
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A video popped up in my YouTube feed which showed the best position for a passer's offside arm to be in during the passing motion is close to the chest, in order to promote accuracy. As you know, Baker's stats against L.A. was 23 of 32 for 306 yards...and this was AFTER his labrum was torn the week before, and wearing the left shoulder brace. I was just thinking that MAYBE the shoulder brace would reinforce the left arm to be held in closer to the chest as he throws, thus collaterally enhancing accuracy. Hey, just looking for a positive in this crazy season. And maybe we'll go on a 10 game win streak. Right now I'll be thrilled with a two game win streak after this Sunday's game!
Baker really needs to trust that our capable line will protect him and stay his tail right in that pocket. It has been a disaster (as of late) with him scrambling outside of the pocket. I get nervous every time he does it. He had happy feet while Wills was out. I think this will be his first game back with Wills since he went down in week 4. I would love to see a comfortable Baker for the first time since what seems like forever.
That should say a lot to anyone paying attention ... a guy who had competition percentages of 53%, 50%, 67% and 65% in college. For South FL and Western KY ... and has played 2 NFL games ... and you'd take him over Baker.
Are there better QB's than Baker? For sure. Are they playing with a broken humerus or torn Labarum ? Wonder how good they'd look? Wonder how happy their feet would look once their starting RT went down? Wonder how accurate they'd be in the game when their shoulder had to be popped back in? Guess we will never know.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
That should say a lot to anyone paying attention ... a guy who had competition percentages of 53%, 50%, 67% and 65% in college. For South FL and Western KY ... and has played 2 NFL games ... and you'd take him over Baker.
Sorry, that was a typo. He should have been at the top of the list. I didn’t watch, but his stats were amazing in his first real playing time. I’ve seen enough.
That should say a lot to anyone paying attention ... a guy who had competition percentages of 53%, 50%, 67% and 65% in college. For South FL and Western KY ... and has played 2 NFL games ... and you'd take him over Baker.
That should say a lot to anyone paying attention ... a guy who had competition percentages of 53%, 50%, 67% and 65% in college. For South FL and Western KY ... and has played 2 NFL games ... and you'd take him over Baker.
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