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Since the other thread was locked, and i couldnt post this in there i thought id make a seperate post. Does anyone think this may not be a Brees/Rivers situation, but a Schaub deal that Atlanta had last year? It is kind of similar in the since that Schaub looked good in games for the Falcons last year, and DA is looking impressive for us ths is year. Also DA is a RFA just like Schaub was last year. I think we will give him the highest tender (1st and 3rd) and possibly trade him for less. IIRC Atlanta traded 1st round picks and got two 2nds We could possibly get into the 1st round or add some other first day picks which we could use to get much needed D Line help. Hopefully BQ doesnt get into dog fighting anytime soon, and we could be well on our way to SuperBowl contention 
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I think we undoubtedly sign him to the highest tender, so we can control his fate. I don't see anyone giving up a first and third for him. If someone does, great, but I don't see it.
If he plays the rest of year at a similar clip to what he's done lately, he should have a higher value than Schuab did. Schuab's accomplishments in Atlanta would not match Anderson's in that case.
Personally, I'd like to sign DA to a two or three year extension.
Wonder how Baltimore feels, seeing as how we plucked him from them (either waivers or practice squad, I forget). Think they'd like to have the guy?
And how's Dallas feeling? I'm sure they were envisioning getting a top 10 pick next year, that's what the predictions were saying. It ain't over yet, but I can see our pick being in the neighborhood of #20, which I think is a fine value for Quinn.
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At the time..the Falcon's had Vick with no hint of what was to come. We have an unproven rookie that has yet to take a regular season snap. Much riskier for us. And Rivers had at least SOME game experience before the Chargers traded away Bree's. Still a risky move on their part but they bet Rivers was the real deal and Bree's shoulder injury would linger.
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I still say trading DA would be in our best interest.
It's unlikely we will be able to do anything in the playoffs with our defense as it is...and on offence we will still have the same Oline, Braylon, K2, and possibly JLewis
I think we should give BQ some oppurtunities to show he can do the same as DA
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I think what everyone forgets here is that Anderson is only ONE YEAR OLDER than Quinn.
It's not Rivers/Brees, or Vick/Schwab -- it's Anderson/Quinn.
And, I wish all the problems we had were like this.
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I suppose that's as plausable a scenario as any I guess,,
But what would you say if instead of DA,, we traded Quinn?
STOP,, I'm not saying it will happen,, I'm just asking as a WHAT IF Kinda questions....
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And Rivers had at least SOME game experience before the Chargers traded away Bree's.
I'd have to check, but I don't think that Brees was traded,, they just lost him in Free Agency I believe...
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And how's Dallas feeling? I'm sure they were envisioning getting a top 10 pick next year, that's what the predictions were saying. It ain't over yet, but I can see our pick being in the neighborhood of #20, which I think is a fine value for Quinn.
There are nothing bout cowboy fans around me and I love how they were all making fun of me and saying that they were going to get a top 5 pick....And not they rarley bring it up, with the way that our schedule pans out I can easily see us sitting right there around pick 20. I have been asking a buddy of mine if he thinks Jake Long (That is who he wanted with our pick) will still be around at 20....The sad thing is we wont pick until pick 20 of the second...that is a ton of good defensive players off the oard before we get to choose. But still a bargain for Quinn.
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I don't have a clue. I know I didn't like moving up for Quinn because I thought the price was too high and we never gave Frye a real chance. When I saw the kind of offense Chud runs, it became appearent to me that Frye had no chance. I never thought DA would play the way he is playing. If he continues to improve we might have a dilema. Green Bay spent a 1st rounder on a QB who most likely will never play in his first contract. Quinn seems to have great potential, bit potential doesn't win games.
As I look at the QBs now playing in college, I don't see one that I would use a high round pick on. If DA plays well throughout the rest of the season we could have an interesting situation on our hands. I don't think it really compares to either one you mentioned, but it will be difficult. QBs may be at a premium this year but would you want to get rid of DA? I don't think we do.
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But still a bargain for Quinn.
It's only a bargin if he pans out. The way this years draft looks so far, he is probably the best of this bunch by far.
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I still say trading DA would be in our best interest.
Why?
I hate stats,, but here's a couple of them just to tuck away and think about for a moment..
DA is 6th highest in Passer rating in the NFL at 95.5%.. 5th among AFC Passers
DA has 17 passing TD's and 1 rushing TD
DA has only 8 INT's
DA has a 56.9% Completion rate
DA has thrown for 1744 yards with an 8.3 average,,, Tom Brady is 9.1 by comparison
DA has 29 passes for 20+ yards,, Only Tom Brady is ahead of that with 31.
Now I only point this out because there seems to be this un-understandable prejudice against DA that I just can't figure out.,.
Someone is always saying,, we should trade him at the end of the year or get what we can for him, or tender him to see if we get some high picks..
I know that's being said, cause I've said it.. and I'm not alone. But it's occured to me that maybe I'm out of my freaking mind,.. what is it I expect from our QB? Maybe I'm asking for too much,, maybe I'm expecting the impossible.
My question is this, would I/they say that if we didn't have Brady Quinn sitting on the bench? Bet I/they wouldn't..
So take Quinn out of the mix, judge DA on his own merits and if you can do that, I bet you that you will change your mind about wanting to trade him....
Keep in mind, I think that Quinn has a bigger upside.... But I have to wonder, if we didn't have Quinn, would we be clamouring for a QB in next years draft? And I don't think we would... I just don't!
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I think we will give him the highest tender (1st and 3rd) and possibly trade him for less.
Considering DA plays out the rest of the year at the level he is now I can't see us dumping him for anything less than a 1st and 3rd,...if anything,..much more..it just wouldn't be worth it for us....Maybe something in the line of a Herschel Walker trade,...something that will pay dividends for years to come.
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It's unlikely we will be able to do anything in the playoffs with our defense as it is...and on offence we will still have the same Oline, Braylon, K2, and possibly JLewis
I totally agree,....but you don't just give away DA for D help.
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Not only does DA have some impressive stats, but he also has the size and the arm to be a prototypical QB in the league. Let him finish out the season and we will be a lot surer of where we are and what we have.
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Daman, I have to agree with you. I don't think anybody expected DA to play the way he has. I, for one, am absolutely and pleasantly surprised. I don't think we can get back into the first round by trading him anyways, JMO, and I view having a one, two punch at QB (and RB for that matter) being a big advantage (providing Quinn pans out, which I believe and DA keeps playing like this, which I also believe.) So I agree that trading him may very well take away from the offense and team in general, IMO. However, if somebody offers a first and third (and I have no clue where the basis for us getting a first and third for DA comes from???) for DA then we at least have to entetrtain the trade thought and most likely accept that deal. Especially if everyone really thinks Quinn is the real deal. JMO!
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So take Quinn out of the mix, judge DA on his own merits and if you can do that, I bet you that you will change your mind about wanting to trade him....
that's absurd...you CANNOT take Quinn out of the mix, no matter how much you want to in order to make your point...
the fact is that, if Anderson's play is here to stay (or improve), ONE of them will eventually have to go...
we have 2 VIABLE options if this keeps up...
1. tender and trade Anderson this offseason...Brady starts in 08 and beyond with a new backup...
2. tender Anderson and keep him for 08...either Anderson starts, or they battle for #1 next season...Anderson leaves via FA and Brady starts in 09 and beyond with a new backup...
don't give me scenarios where we deal Quinn...it DOESN'T happen to 1st round QBs...Rivers sat until Brees was able to walk out the door...and San Diego LET HIM...and they had more reason to keep Brees than we do to keep Anderson...Brees was still young, and more importantly, his team was MUCH closer to SB contention...
so if you ask me, option 2 is silly...can we improve enough to legitimately challenge NE, Pitt, or Indy next year?...let me spoil the surprise...NO...so why forego a 1st day pick for 1 year of a nice-looking offense in a futile effort, not to mention postponing Quinn's development, possibly hurting the team's chance for REAL success in 09?...
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The scenario in San Diego isn't applicable here. The dynamics are too different.
Brees had been a pro-bowl QB one season, then simply great the next. Anderson isn't playing to Bree's level during either of those years as of yet, and hasn't done it for even half a season.
Second, there was the injury factor. The damage to Brees' shoulder was bad. SEVERE. It wasn't revealed just how bad it was until after he had his pro-bowl season last year. That shoulder was held together by numerous pins. That's bad. REAL bad. It made the Chargers decision much easier. Anderson has no such injury.
The situation is also not like the Falcons deal. Vick, while lacking pure passing ability, put butts in seats and could win games with his legs, nevermind what happened because of his dog-fighting crap. That played no role in anything. Quinn is a rookie unknown, nothing more, besides tools and a high draft tag.
At the risk of knowing how it'll sound, Anderson is badly overvalued right now around here. Undoubtedly the Browns will put the highest tender on him because the costs aren't that severe, but the people who scout in this league know how Anderson is playing against, and who he's throwing to. Putting the high tender doesn't mean he's at that value, it's simply a way to protect our investment. Getting a 1st and a 3rd for Anderson? Never happen.
Now having said that, trading him this soon would be a huge gamble. 50% of 1st round QB's fail, and nobody knows if Quinn is any good. The only way to see how Quinn can be is to put him in the game, but that would mean benching Anderson who's playing really well at the moment. That's not something that this team can do. In fact, there's no way they are stOOpid enough to willingly bench Anderson to get Quinn work. Maybe in a huge blowout or due to injury, but not a concious decision.
This situation is unique. There isn't another one like it throughout the league. There's no way you take a QB who's playing well, albeit against inferior teams, and send him off just because you have a middle first round pick waiting in the wings, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.
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Heres some stats for you
We are 32nd in total defense
31st in passing D with 270 yards per game
and 29th in rush D with 140 yards per game
If, and Im not saying he can, BQ can keep our offense going at an efficient level, and IF trading DA can get us help on D, i think its well worth it
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RABID...
the 1st and 3rd is simply the compensation associated with losing a player under the highest RFA tender...we wouldn't get that, but a team may very well offer a 1st or 2nd rounder, which we'd be smart to take...
or perhaps you were asking what teams would do such a thing?...well, Minnesota is a QB away from jumping into NFCN contention...especially once Favre finally hangs up the cleats...Atlanta lacks a QB, and probably has decent enough parts to take a wildcard...Miami will need a QB to keep that offense going in the longterm...KC's D finally has come around a bit, but they're led by the 2-headed monster that is Huard/Croyle...the list just goes on...Jets, Panthers, Bucs, Bears, Rams...
and the good news is most of the teams that are the best fit are NFC...we wouldn't have to worry about the recipient team competing with us for playoff spots...
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This situation is unique. There isn't another one like it throughout the league. There's no way you take a QB who's playing well, albeit against inferior teams, and send him off just because you have a middle first round pick waiting in the wings, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.
The problem is, we aren't afforded the luxury of time in this situation.
This entire hypothetical will assume Anderson plays lights out the rest of the year including the next 3 games (which I don't particularly think will happen, but this is just an exercise).
Let's say we slap a RFA tag on Anderson for a 1st and 3rd. What if some team actually makes him an offer? We're forced to commit to either DA or Brady right then and there. Even if not, we only have DA for a year and he'll continue to get more expensive.
After next year, when he's a free agent, are we going to slap a franchise tag on him and pay him $10m+? What if he holds out? What if he demands a trade? We either need to sign him to an extension or move on. If we re-sign him, Brady isn't going to be content on the bench. He'll want to be traded to a team where he'll play.
Either way, we need to decide on Brady versus DA, and perferrably in this off-season, so that we don't have a QB controversy every single time one of them has a bad game and so that we get a draft pick(s) NOW to help with our awful defense.
No matter what everyone wants... we only get to keep one. Who's it gonna be?
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TOAD... so with all that talking in circles, what exactly did you come up with?...  ...we're gonna let Anderson walk after next season with no compensation?...could be, but dumb, IMO...i'm not over-valuing Anderson...i think this argument will be moot by season's end...BUT... IF things remain as they are now, SOME GM will offer a 1st or 2nd...(recall Detmer?)...
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If, and Im not saying he can, BQ can keep our offense going at an efficient level, and IF trading DA can get us help on D, i think its well worth it
Exactly. It's not that we're getting rid of QB depth, it's that we're doing something that we'll be forced to do anyway AND hopefully getting a quality pick or two in exchange that can bolster our defensive line. Why hold onto a surplus at one position (knowing that you can't keep it anyway) when another is starving?
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that's absurd...you CANNOT take Quinn out of the mix, no matter how much you want to in order to make your point...
What's absurd is you thinking you can't judge DA on his own merits.. Now that's freakin absurd!
My only point,,, is that DA is doing a fine job this year so far. Hard to deny,, the numbers all say it and so does what we see on Sundays..
All I'm saying is, Take Quinn out of your mind for a moment and judge DA only on his own merits.,. if you can't do that,, fine,,but don't sit there and try to tell me that the thought is absurd!
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Brees had been a pro-bowl QB one season, then simply great the next. Anderson isn't playing to Bree's level during either of those years as of yet, and hasn't done it for even half a season.
and if anderson doesn't continue down the path he's on,, then we go with Quinn and hope for the best..
I'm ok with whoever wins games..
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I still say trading DA would be in our best interest.
It's unlikely we will be able to do anything in the playoffs with our defense as it is...and on offence we will still have the same Oline, Braylon, K2, and possibly JLewis
I think we should give BQ some oppurtunities to show he can do the same as DA
So we trade a guy that has PROVEN to be a winner (thus far) and HOPE the rookie can at least do as well as the guy we just traded?
If you hope BQ 'can do the same' then you TRADE QUINN.
You don't trade QB #1 and hope QB #2 is as good as QB #1.
Those are terrible odds.
You trade DA b/c you HOPE BQ is BETTER than DA and better by A LOT. Since we'll never know until the deal is done, it's a gamble.
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I still don't understand how everyone in the football world seems to be thinking Anderson is the next great thing. He started games last year, was below average in preseason and training camp, looked terrible in his first start this year. Now, we have a gelled line, receivers making big time catches, and all of a sudden, Anderson is the next great thing? This goes to show you what a great O-line and great receivers do for you, take an average to below average QB and make him look great. Tim Couch or Kelly Holcomb would still be our starting QB if we had this line and these receivers all along.
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If Anderson continues to play at this level we could very well get more than a first and third. I know a lot are saying no way do we get a first and 3rd but DA has one of the best arms in the game period. His TD/INT ratio is outstanding. He is a very young quarterback that has blossomed. He gets rid of the ball quickly making his line look phenominal.
Now Daman taking Quinn out of the equation and there is no way in hell DA goes anywhere period but with Quinn we will make a move and attempt to make a move when DA's value is at peak. There will be 8-10 teams in need of a quarterback. Only 3 qbs with first round potential and only Brohm is NFL ready.
It is a great position to be in and some GM or coach will go with a proven vet over the rookie. Now they may be buying fools gold in a one hit wonder but as long as they buy and pay a good price doesnt matter lol.
Right now DA would be the 3rd qb in the probowl along with Brady and Manning representing the AFC. That happens what kind of peak value will he have?
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looked terrible in his first start this year.
I forgot how terrible DA looked against the Bengals 
This isn't the same Browns team as we've had people. Time to get rid of the pessimistic thoughts just because we've been bad for so long.
It's so sad that even when we have a progressing, YOUNG QB, people will do whatever they can to make him seem bad.
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It's so sad that even when we have a progressing, YOUNG QB, people will do whatever they can to make him seem bad
Some have acted in that manner, but right now, when I look around, I see more and more folks on here that feel as if as long as DA is producing at this level, they seem just fine with him.. I've also seen some that were dead against him even being on this team at the onset, but now are saying, hey,, the kid can play..
He's changed a lot of peoples minds..
There will always be some that don't like him.. It may be hard to believe, but there were Bernie Kosar Detractors in the last 80's also..
But to be fair, DA has started 6 games this season.. he's 4 and 2 in those games.. and he's looking pretty decent.. But it's still only 6 games. More time is needed to determine if it's real or memorex....
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Its called growth and maturity. Tom Brady sucked his first year so bad that even he expected to be cut. Farve stunk it up so bad he was traded. Steve Young was booed. Hell look at Troy Aikman early in his career. He was awful his line improved and the Cowboys added him some weapons.
he may be for real and he may be a flash in the pan but either way enjoy it. Come on DA is on pace to shatter the number of TDs of hall of fame quarterbacks during the best years of guys like Aikman, Montana, Young. He is on pace to put up close to 40 td passes this year and does anyone realize how few qbs have ever hit 40 tds in one season? lol
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I can't figure out why people want to trade DA away. I read one person's post who says the reason we should is to get defensive players and improve the D. even if DA finishes this year at the same rate he's going now, he's *still* a young, relatively inexperienced QB and no team is going to trade away super high caliber D players that will come in here and make some overnight difference to our strength of defense- so I don't buy that theory.
secondly, and more to the point- I've never understood the "let's trade away someone who is on fire and proving himself to be a huge asset for this team so we can gamble on a draftee who has as much of a chance as not to be a bust."
that's like saying "I'm gonna sell my cherry, perfect corvette because the guy down the street has a ferrari he wants to sell me- but, Ive, uh, never opened the hood or driven this ferrari. for all I know, the transmission could be missing. oh, what the hell- I'll just do it anyway..."
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It's because this isn't Madden - players have reactions to things you do... you can't just re-sign people for what you want when you want and play them where you want. If you sign DA to a long-term deal, Quinn will want to be traded. If you want to keep an open competition or even give Quinn the job, DA will want to be traded. Even if you want to keep both, a team could sign DA to a RFA tender that includes a poison pill, ensuring that the Browns won't match the offer (not that they would at 1st and 3rd tender anyway). Even if you get to keep him in RFA, he has UFA next year and even if you decide to franchise tag him, he'll be wanting a commitment... as will Quinn. The other will want out. You can't just say "well, they're both good so let's keep one on the bench and start the other."
Simply put, it's not realistic at all to keep two young quarterbacks on the same roster together... one will want out when he's not starting and someone will be trying to pry him away at the same time.
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Simply put, it's not realistic at all to keep two young quarterbacks on the same roster together... one will want out when he's not starting and someone will be trying to pry him away at the same time.
noted. so, with that in mind, why not keep the guy who has a hot hand and trade the guy who is completely unproven? keep in mind that DA is only one year older than BQ. both of them have an equal chance to develop into a top 10 type QB... and it's not as if the browns have invested a ton of money in BQ to this point.
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The season is not even half over.  Anderson still has plenty time to sustain a career ending injury or stink the place out. Ditto for Quinn.
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Here's what kills me ...... "Hey! We have an offense scoring points by the boatload ...... and a QB who is playing so well that the Pro Bowl is being mentioned in many quarters ........ and who is playing better than any QB we've seen in these parts for over a decade ......... so let's get rid of him!" 
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DAMAN...
recognizing and enjoying DA's play is fine...what's absurd is to say that no trade should be discussed b/c if you look at DA's stats in a vacuum, he should remain our starter...
as SPECTRE said, two starting QBs on a roster is not practical...not for more than a year or so...and history says that Quinn won't be gone...so, guess who will be...
YTOWN...
noone is saying 'DA's been great, let's get him outta here'...at least i'm not...what i'm saying is, he's gone no matter what...it is simply a matter of when, and what we get (or don't get) in return for him...
i enjoy every minute that DA helps us win this year...and if Phil pulls an unprecedented move by trading Quinn before seeing him play in favor of a long-term deal for Anderson, so be it...i'll be the first to admit i was an idiot for saying it would never happen...history is on my side, though...
Browns fans are born with it...
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Here's what kills me ......
"Hey! We have an offense scoring points by the boatload ...... and a QB who is playing so well that the Pro Bowl is being mentioned in many quarters ........ and who is playing better than any QB we've seen in these parts for over a decade .........
so let's get rid of him!"
It's ironic, isn't it YTown?
The Browns are playing good? Wow, here's how we destroy that - get rid of the QB proving to be a good one! That should help the team take a few steps back so we can get back to bitching about how bad the team is again.
Reading the posts here and you quickly realize that some are just not comfortable with the Browns being competitive. I know it seems silly to say, but as you pointed out YT, so many here WANT DA to be traded! That only says many fans are so in love with an unproven rookie that they are willing to sacrifice the quality of the team if that's what it comes down to. Some would rather have Quinn at the helm, even if that means we go back into the cellar. And with an unproven rookie, that very well could happen.
They are probably right though, this winning thing is just terrible. I hate waking up Sunday realizing our team has a legit shot at winning the game. It's so much easier to know they will probably lose.
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so with all that talking in circles, what exactly did you come up with?.... ..we're gonna let Anderson walk after next season with no compensation?...
I thought I made it pretty clear. Guess I'll have to quote myself:
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There's no way you take a QB who's playing well, albeit against inferior teams, and send him off just because you have a middle first round pick waiting in the wings, ESPECIALLY at the QB position.
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The problem is, we aren't afforded the luxury of time in this situation.
After next year, when he's a free agent, are we going to slap a franchise tag on him and pay him $10m+? What if he holds out? What if he demands a trade? We either need to sign him to an extension or move on. If we re-sign him, Brady isn't going to be content on the bench. He'll want to be traded to a team where he'll play.
We're actually afforded plenty of time. Not only do we have the rest of this year to wait and see, but next year as well.
Even though this situation isn't currently like the Chargers situation, if things continue under your hypothetical situation, then it's closer, sans the injury problem. Remember that Rivers didn't get into the action until his third year. He made some noise, but in the end, the Chargers used Brees for a full two years before they had to make a choice.
We slap the highest tender on Anderson just to protect the investment. If a team is dumb enough to give up a 1st and a 3rd, then lucky us, problem solved, for good or for ill. If not, then we get another year to see if he's for real, then can make a decision after that. If he's truly for real, he gets a fat contract and we move Quinn. If he's not, he's allowed to walk and we go with Quinn.
The QB position isn't one where it's ok to gamble on trading a player. The Vikings are pretty much a playoff team if they had any QB play at all. We won't send Anderson packing just for a high pick if we aren't totally sure about Quinn.
In the end, we've got all of this year and most likely next to watch Anderson. There's no rush to judgement here, and because of how this is playing out, it's WAY too early to decide what to do with Derek. It's fun to speculate, but it's way too soon to make a decision.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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Yeah. Gee, maybe we should look into trading Edwards too. After all, he's playing really well ..... should be worth something good ..... and we do have a 3rd rounder who has barely gotten a snap in a year and a half. Anderson has thrown 17 TDs in 7 games. You have to go back 20 years to Bernie Kosar in 1987 to find the last Browns QB to go for 20+ in a season. (he had 22) When Frye was the annointed starter, I predicted that Quinn would be starting by the bye week. Frye did nothing to inspire confidence, although I did hope that he'd turn the corner given that he was going to be starting. He didn't work out. He was beyond bad in the Steelers game, and all of his limitations exposed last season seemed to be magnified even more this year. When Anderson became the starter, I didn't expect much. It was obvious that Anderson gets the ball out a lot faster than Frye ever did ...... but his limited experience seemed destined to give way to Quinn potential and draft status. The only thing that could stave off the rookie challenger was production from Anderson. Well .... he has produced. I don't know if it'll continue or not ...... but his last 2 games were both spectacular and consistent ....... and he certainly appears to be improving rather than regressing. How some people are ready to dump the most productive QB we have seen in 2 decades just amazes me. I honestly don't get it. Quinn might light it up when, or if, he plays for the Browns. He might not as well. As I have said before .... this is the one question that the Browns MUST answer correctly .... because this situation is one that can make or break a coach, coaching staff, and front office.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Yeah. Gee, maybe we should look into trading Edwards too. After all, he's playing really well ..... should be worth something good ..... and we do have a 3rd rounder who has barely gotten a snap in a year and a half.
C'mon Y-Town, that's not even close. What some people are saying is we won't be able to keep Quinn and DA if DA continues to play the way he has been. That's a little different then dumping your #1 reciever don't you think?
Toad seems to think nobody would ever take DA for the top tender. I'm not so sure that would be true. Shuab was a 3rd round draft pick who hardly played and Houston gave up a lot for him. There isn't any college QB that I've seen that rates very high. It is possible someone might just try and pick up DA.What do we do? Match a high offer and worry about what to do with Quinn, or do we take the picks?
It's way to early to have to worry about any of this because so much of the season is ahead of us, including some tougher defenses. I personally hope DA becomes great and we are able to keep both going into next year. If that happens I would be more than happy to unload Quinn. There are just to many ifs in any senerio so we will all just have to see how it plays out.
To Damanshot and other who think we are just not happy with success. 
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Toad seems to think nobody would ever take DA for the top tender. I'm not so sure that would be true.
I'm basing that on who he's played, what he's done in those given games, and how well Edwards has been playing. Granted, some of his throws have been to where only his guy could get the ball, but an equal amount have been balls that Edwards and Winslow got when they weren't open at all, or in some cases, should have never had the ball thrown to them in the first place.
It's worth noting that few teams in this league have a 1-2 combination like Edwards and Winslow.
I think that when teams break down his film, they'll see a guy who's not nearly as great as his stats. Nobody can take away what he's done against garbage teams, but nobody can dismiss that they were garbage teams.
It'll be very interesting to see how this discussion turns once we've played the next three games. I hope Anderson can prove me wrong, but.....
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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