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That’s not what was said. He said it is not clear and consistent when it is both. He also said that they are given so that their “favorite teams” can have an advantage.

https://overthecap.com/the-basics-and-methodology-of-projecting-the-nfls-compensatory-draft-picks/

Smart teams know how to take advantage of the system.

We received 3 compensatory picks in the 2016 draft. (a 4th and 2 5ths)

In the 2017 draft, we received a 3rd, 2 4ths, and a 5th.

The compensatory system is based on the contract value of free agents lost (based on their new contract with another team) against the value of free agents a team signs. (based on their new contract value) I am sure that there is some mysticism involved, as well, as I do not believe that the exact formula has ever been disclosed.

The formula has been released but people figured it out well before it was released.

I don't have a problem with comp picks.

Didn't at one time the issuance of comp picks were only given if you lost a drafted player, not some player you signed as a FA?

I could see doing something like that.

I wouldn't give a 7th round pick for Trey Lance, or any Qb who ever played college ball in the state of North Dakota, even if all I had to work with was trying to fix Deshone Kiser.


Just because one team, is stupid enough to like him, or not realize North Dakota isn't real football; doesn't mean any other of the 32 teams have to even give him a later choice look.

(And that goes for Aron Rogers too!, for playing in "Butte, Jr. college".
If he can't play for a football school, he's better off playing in Canada or groceries like Kurt Warner.)

No on Trey Lance and Philadelphia eagle guy doesn't play well enough for me to remember his name, either.

j/c

In previous years, I have spent time on mock sites. It was how I got to know the prospects. I haven't this year. The game is different. For decades, the Browns have drafted consistently in the top half/top 10/top 5 of the draft. This year we are drafting 7th to last.

There's a different approach to the draft down here. At the top of the draft you're looking for plug-n-play, game changing talent. Down here, you're less likely to find both at the same time, and in varying balances. And the lack of game film and no combine means much less available info.

After decades of suspect decision making by Browns GM/HC/FO, the team of Berry/Stefanski/Depodesta has won my confidence that they know what they're doing. I trust that they can do a better job finding the right players for this team than I can. This year I'm leaving the job to them.

I like watching draft prospects because I have no emotional investment in the play or player.

That and the off-season is too long otherwise.

With 18 days until the draft my preferred selections in rounds 1 and 2 are...

Jaelin Phillips, DE U of Miami
Infeatu Melifonwu CB, Syracuse

My favorite time of the year as well!!

Well Red, the older I get I feel the same way about current players. I don't have emotional investment in players. I have emotional investment in the team.

Players come and go, my loyalty to the team doesn't waiver because some player gets cut, traded, or let free.

Browns and Giants I enjoyed those 3 world series wins

The Indians are still my team at heart, but I too follow the Braves. I live 100 miles up the road and usually go to 2-3 Braves games a year....last year not counting. I have been following them since Murphy, Horner, and Niekro were the mainstays...so late 70's.

I like the new park. Being on the north end of town, it is much closer and lets be honest, the surrounding area is much better. Turner field was in a pretty bad part of town.

I'm Cleveland (area) born and raised. My teams are Browns and Indians.

Me too, and the Cavaliers.

If the Bengals go WR, Jamarr chase 1st pick, the way to respond is also to get your own Wr, not get a dumb corner.

Yesterday I was all over, Wr, Rashod Bateman, and still like the pick even at #1 round, 26th, (to a point)

because I think he's the size and frame and ability to be a cross of Higgins and OBJ, a guy with Higgins lunch pale attitude that can stretch the field, LIKE IT!

Now. Today, I read about the Edge rushers, and

The Ravens, well they not only claim they were named the best drafting team of the past 5 years, ( can't aruge too much against that), but

Their dastardly web site is saying they hope 1 of 3 edge rushers is waiting for them at 27 overall

Well why not just take one off their hands,

Jayson Oweh, edge PSU, they are raving about his potential and character and run support, and climbing the charts.

Azeez Ojulari, OLB/edge Georgia.

and
Jaelan Phillips, Edge Miami-
Both the Packers, and the Broncos are also having "highlight" articles about Jaelan Phillips who seems to fit the size avg. better but not the explosive speed of the other two, but

NO TEAM ANYWHERE WANTS ZAVEN COLLINS, who played 3 years at Tulsa but may have skipped a bowl game,

Same thinking that would bring you Zaeven Collins, I think is the same nasty thinking that would bring someone Sam Darnold as a starting qb, experts only slot him to the Browns
because the experts want the Browns to go back to losing records.

Jayson Oweh!
Jaelan Phillips!
Azeez Ojulari!

Give somebody to put on the opposite side of Myles Garrett, a Cleveland Browns defenes should always
ALWAYS! be in the market for another Defensive pass rusher!

Especially on a rookie draft pick rent controlled contract

Take the wind out of the ravens sails right before they pick and kick them in the (below the belt) at the same time.

The thing is I certainly agree with tab on the most important and sought after positions. It's hard to dispute that. The issue being every other team in the NFL knows that too. As it stands we have 25 other NFL teams drafting ahead of us.

What this means usually in the draft is the cream of the crop at both Edge Rusher and CB have been picked over. Not saying it's impossible to find one, just that the pickings are much slimmer by the time you get to #26.

So at that point the question becomes do you take a lesser talent at a position more in demand or a better talent at a position of lesser demand?

By the time you get into the 20's you see teams start moving to the G position and others like that to get the cream of the crop at other positions rather than take the leftovers of the position most in demand.

I mean it could certainly go either way but it's why I could see us go LB'er just as easily at #26 than to go DE or CB. I'm not sure how some fans think you can go with a mediocre DL and mediocre LB'ers. That's a recipe to get your ass handed to you on a plate by your opponent cramming the ball down your throat.

I've seen some rumblings about character issues with him too. But it seems like it is just being stated without any details. Could be just smoke. Or typical modern journalism. LOL

Regardless, if all that you said is true, not thanks!

No. I shouldn't have put the two thoughts together.
If the Bengals go WR, Browns shouldn't appear to pick in reaction to it.

The larger point.
I believe, and believed at the time, Rashod Bateman Wr. from Minnesota is the best Wr, and the Browns should take him.

And he's the best fitting WR for the Browns, with the size and deep threat, to be a part of the blocking, run games' theme.

I have since May be even more sole on Jayson Oweh's upside.

Anybody know whether we play more zone or man coverage with out defensive backs?
Or maybe more importantly, which would our coaching staff prefer to play?

I ask because thinking about drafting a Cb, I feel it is important to match a players talents to scheme. A perfect example to me is Morris Claiborne.

In college he was a great man to man cover guy, then the Cowboys draft him and they played mostly zone at the time. Result? Bust.

I think by far the best zone Cb in the draft is Asante Samual. He is decent at man to man but is stellar in zone coverage. I think he is definitely worth a 1st round selection for a zone coverage team. For a man coverage team he is probably a mid 2nd round talent.

Who does he say are the top 3.

I strongly agree with all of these.

Other than the line about never trading up... There are def times when it makes too much sense. This year may be a prime example. If Cinci doesn't draft Pitts ... You potentially have the best player in the entire draft available. He's damn well drafting up for someone. The coat is too much for the Browns and we have too much committed to the TE position already. But the point stands.

I am certainly no expert but I also thought that Taki Taki was a poor tackler. Anyone else agree? I am not a scout, just watch the games and am curious on other's takes on this.

I never noticed Wilson was a poor tackler but he did seem slow to me.

"Anyone else agree?"

I want to see more of some of the plays I saw from Phillips in a couple of games last year.

I also think if given the option, it would be better to load up on Edge Rushers than to try to find the perfect linebacker.

(The perfect linebacker doesn't exist, because the ref's throw too many flags on good plays,
there are targeting, and pass interference flags, and roughing the passer flags that are too subjective,)

Now, but with edge rushers, only one of the 3 subjective penalties are prominent, and yet they can cause fumbles too, so yeah

I'd rather they, load up on Edge rushers instead of try to find the perfect linebacker,
and they can find the perfect linebacker next year,... ... ...(The exception exists if your team is a sieve up the middle in run D, then ILBs' can/may take a higher priority, in a given year, but that is not the 2020 and 2021 Browns.) ... ... ( and Because Taki Taki, Walker, and Phillips, are youthful, then, I don't think any LB,
other than maybe J.O.K. or Micah Parsons, even helps the Browns, in 2021, And, even so they might still not be as fitted for the Browns, or such a slight upgrade, that even if they join the team, their primary purpose would likely be what? Edge rushing? So.)



good Edge Rushers don't necessarily fall to you in the draft every year.

They are not just replacing Olivier Vernons' play, but also Claibornes'

I don't want Jamin Davis because

The idea of drafting Jamin Davis would be A JOKE!

A JOKE! His photo looks like he should be selling insurance. Or a politician or Choir.

If Andrew Berry and the Browns, want to draft A HUNDRED, ILB'S, who play at BASKETBALL SCHOOLS

AND , don't make tackles, real tackles, but finesse low impact type.

and pretend they can get back in coverage, YOU MAY DRAFT A HUNDRDED OF THEM
but you'll never be a better football team.

You can take that to the bank!
If you think, if they pass off another

IT'S FOOTBALL! THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TOUGH GUYS!

Now, I may be an idiot! given, BUT!

If they think, the choice is between Jamin Davis, and Zaeven Collins? then they are even moreso idiots on what works in the NFL.

Un-Flippin-believeable!

x a million.

I don't care what his coach says about him. It's Kentucky U!!!
if, if there is ever a draft pick and the first write up about that guy is
comments from his coach, it ,

It's cause he probably didn't do nothing on the field, to ever make anyone outside the organization take notice

THIS IS THE NFL! Do they even realize what the #$@@ they are doing.
please,
please don't be so stupid as to waste any picks on relatively SOFT linebackers

Oh my gosh it's like Mcdonalds banking their future on deer meat, it's a STUPID idea.

stumpin Browns will probably do it. Berry, *********.

They already got a bunch of losers. They already did this to us last couple years. We already put up with their terrible ideas,

You can't float MORE terrible Linebackers onto a team that can't get decent play or know to find a linebacker with some Moxy.

https://dawgpounddaily.com/2021/04/20/cleveland-browns-draft-jamin-davis-zaven-collins/

Never ask about speed when talking linebackers. It's toughness position, awareness, want to, there are so many questions before speed. (speed is for WR's)

Both players suck as an idea for the Browns!

You've Got Gold falling to you at 26, in the draft

And you are considering a Softish finesse speed Linebacker?

GMAB !