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Tired of his performative mularkey.

Any of you who identify as Dems on here that defend this nonsense, go donate to your neoliberal saviors.

Doesn’t look anything like a cage. I mean holy crap I wished the stuff we lived in looked this nice during deployment.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
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This is not okay, never has been okay, never will be okay - no matter the administration or party.
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· Feb 22
First migrant facility for children opens under Biden https://wapo.st/3upDNPq
3:30 PM · Feb 23, 2021·Twitter for iPhone


First migrant facility for children opens under Biden




https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1364051498506805266

Not sure I see the uproar over accommodations. They are essentially jobsite trailers with A/C. There are much worse alternatives.

What would be your solution?

Here is my favorite part.

“When I read they were opening again, I cried,” said Rosey Abuabara, a San Antonio community activist who was arrested for protesting outside the Carrizo camp in 2019. “I consoled myself with the fact that it was considered the Cadillac of [migrant child] centers, but I don’t have any hope that Biden is going to make it better.”

So Biden (relatively speaking) throws the gates open and provides a path to citizenship, and begins accepting children... leading to more children having to be cared for by these border agencies (since they are being sent across the border unaccompanied)... and activists are still losing their minds because our govt has to temporarily increase capacity because this is going on during a pandemic.

I understand that we're slowly working our way out of a bad time in terms of how we've handled our borders, but what exactly do these activists want?

The far left and far right will complain no matter what’s going down. I’m not a centrist but I am solidly liberal. But I ain’t Bernie bro left and them dudes are crazy.

For the life of me, I can’t figure out a better place to put the children and families until they have legal documents. I’m not exaggerating when I say I wish I had that during my deployments.

And that’s not resentment or a knock. I’m happy as hell they get that sort of temporary shelter. It makes me proud. But I bring it up as a highlight to those who clearly don’t understand how temporary lodging tends to look like.

And I’m further struggling to understand what the far left would seem better. And not better for their feelings; better in the sense that it won’t end up completely derailing the progress in the first place. Cause even conservatives don’t have much of a problem with the lodging. I mean hell, I’m not even seeing all that much pushback for letting them in altogether.

So I’m just really confused as to what the problem is here. Should they be put in some 4-5 star hotels or something? Should we kick Americans out of their apartments and replace them with immigrants?

The way Biden is handling this is about as well as anyone can given the circumstances combined with the very fragile hold the democrats have on the federal government. I swear these Bernie bros just keep looking for ways to hand the republicans back control in 2022.

And for what? People that shouldn’t even be here in the first place? Good lord....

Here is what seems the funniest part to me. This is only for "unaccompanied minors". Children who come here without a parent or guardian.

So what would they say if he simply let them roam free in the country? Then they would be complaining that he is letting them go homeless and hungry.

Unless I missed something children who are alone must be fed and housed.

Where’s the cages?

In the same place the war on Christmas, Easter, and thanksgiving are currently be fought.

Someone does not know what a cage looks like.

? They were there in 2014...

I'm a Bernie bro, what you saying?... I don't want to see kids in cages just for being desperate for a new hand in life. I guess that makes me a monster.

And of course people here will think I'm an extremists for my views, but I raised four children and know a little bit about what it takes to keep them both physically and mentally healthy. I can also appreciate the sentiment of any roof over their heads is better than none...

But when I look at this type of situation, I base how I feel about it on the answer to one question:

Would I allow, accept, or be okay with this happening to my children or my grandchildren. So if y'all would be good with your kids going through this experience in these "camps", then there is nothing to improve... But if you would never send your kids here to go through this and find that it would not be acceptable for your kids, then who are you to say it's fine for these kids?

I'll just drop this mic right here.

man stop it.

let's be very clear here: the parents of those children are gonna look at that and go "mission accomplished"

they went on a long ass journey, dangerous as all hell through the desert and other terrain. some even just straight up let others look out for their kids the whole way to america in the first place.

those temporary facilities is already an upgrade from the hellholes they came from. now imagine how much more of an upgrade the kids will have once they have the legal documents and paperwork needed to actually start building a life in america..

which need i remind you: BIDEN HAS LET THEM COME IN. Biden is allowing these kids and some of their parents who came illegally to stay. so seriously, where else were they suppose to go? straight to your house, OCD?

yes, as someone who is ALSO a parent, and actually sympathize with the crap they are going through in latin/south america, if i see that my kid, that i was willing to give me life over ACTUALLY make it into america with an administration that is welcoming them in, i would be proud as all hell.

because those facilities, IN AMERICA, paid for with AMERICAN dollars, ran by AMERICAN officials and AMERICAN doctors, is already 100x times better than the place i tried to get them out of in the FIRST place.

so when you combine that with my AMERICAN perspective, which is now a lot like Bidens:

we can't just let them loose, BECAUSE THEY'RE CHILDREN. we need to make sure we can integrate them into society properly. if that means teaching them some english first, so be it. but we have to make sure the support system is there. see if there's already families willing to take them in and help. but cutting them loose and leaving them on their own is the exact opposite of your intention. these kids are still the most vulnerable to gang activity and poverty, the very thing which they were running away from.

these are minors, and they need guidance. so please miss me with that parent BS as if most of us on this board aren't parents. i'm so sick and tired of you far right/left dudes with this nonsense already. y'all swear you're advocating for <insert group>, yet the actual people in said group are pushing back against your rhetoric. those parents are happy as hell because they're kids successfully MADE IT INTO AMERICA. and then actually welcomed by a president who's making sure they have what they need to survive.

crap like the stuff you post is only gonna make things worse, and end up handing control back to these MAGA hatters who will do everything to kick them out and let no one in. you say you're a parent, so imma need you to grow the hell up.

And if you are a kid that is lucky enough to have been born here, yet somehow on your own... do they get sent to these compounds? No, they have advocacy from Children's Services and get placed in foster care, a suitable institutional care facility with trained staff, or placed with relatives. And most of you would be beside yourself if this happened to a child you care about.

This whole attitude about "What does the left expect?", "What answers does the left have?"... We don't really know the solid answer to that. What we do know is that if it would be unacceptable for OUR kids, it's unacceptable for these kids too.

If you think black lives matter and police/people shouldn't be killing black kids for wearing hoodies, playing with toys guns, or simply for being black... If you don't like seeing videos of 12 year old black girls being body slammed to the concrete so hard their heads bounce leaving them all but knocked out by school cops... Then you are somehow connected to the issue on an emotional level and the thought of it happening to a kid you care for has crossed your mind. Well in my opinion, these kids are no different just because they speak another language and come from another country, they are still kids just like yours or mine.

So if you are good with it, or black lives don't matter to you, then I would say you are the extremists... And if you can't see how being stuck in these whitewashed gulags with the "detainment summer camp" vibe is detrimental to these kids... then I can't help you.

It's easy to say all of that and brush it off just like white cops saying they though tamir rice had a real gun and their lives were in danger. And if these kids mean so little to you that you don't mind them being treated this way... then you might not be as liberal as you think.

We have Social services that can place these kids in much better situations. They are not hardened criminals, they are kids. Why do they need to be behind wire fences with guards? And don't even pretend you would be good with any of that for your girls.

And for the Christians, WWJD?

These camps are makeshift jails, period. Biden's lipstick on a pig is BS. They need to be treated just like we treat any other kid in need or in harm's way. I have no issue with the adults being in detention facilities as long as they are treated humanely, but not the kids.

I find it shameful that Americans are alright with this. I think this is akin racism because they are the other so they can be treated different then we would allow our own children to be treated. I don't care if their parents are 'winning' the immigration battle of wits, that's no excuse to do mental harm to these kids, there is no excuse for it that CAN be acceptable and leave us standing on the moral high ground.

definitely lost me with that tamir rice correlation. keep that far left nonsense on msnbc, broskie.

Why would they be place in homes? They are here ILLEGALLY. They need to be processed and sent back to wherever they came from to be with their parents. There is nothing wrong with those facilities, just your hands out entitled opinion.

It's no different. You wouldn't want you kids treated like that in either case.

Because they are kids.

When I was a kid my family went on a month long camping trip around the USA. We slept in tents and it was all very fun for us kids.

Those buildings are way better accommodation than a tent. You are fake news exaggerating things for the sake of your extreme radical views. Those kids are well cared for and fine.

Yes, I'm sure your fun family camping experience is the same or worse (living conditions) than these kids who fled their countries of origin and traveled 1000's of miles under horrendous conditions is SO similar... Your white privilege is showing.

These kids arrive here traumatized and y'all just say screw it, traumatize them some more! I mean they are here illegally blah blah blah... that crap doesn't make them any less a child that deserves to be treated as we would treat our own. Shame on you.

Kids are not precious little flowers who need to be coddled. Well maybe your kids were raised badly and are like that.

They are just fine in an air conditioned trailer with 3 meals a day and a warm bed, while they wait to be sent to their family. That's a far cry from "kids in cages" liberal tears.

Sorry you feel that camping is a white privilege thing. Last time I checked, people of all races can enjoy camping with their kids. Maybe you are a racist.

I'll be a bleeding heart, better than what you are... And yes poor karen, it is white privilege. Since you don't even have kids and don't know mine or me, then keep my kids out of your nasty little Q mouth. And if that's wasn't plain enough, shut the hell up.

I don't think you know the first thing about kids. Yours are probably overly coddled non productive members of society who need participation trophies to feel good about themselves.

It's a joke calling me a Q when I'm not even Republican. I'm simply a realist.

Get your story straight.

And what kind of idiot thinks camping is a white privilege? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

And it's probably insulting to POC because they enjoy camping also.

Your radical extremism is showing. No wonder everyone thinks the bernie bros are a joke.

and I'm a joke. You can't make this crap up.

Sure, let's throw a few thousand more cases into our severely overburdened SW/foster system. I don't know how familiar you are with the difficulty in trying to place American citizen children into foster homes, or the conditions in some of these foster homes and group homes. What's shown here looks to be a better situation than many of the places our children end up being placed into. The outrage over this is frickin' hilarious.

jfan, I'll address your response but direct my answer to the general crowd who is cool with this.

Another lame ass excuse. You think these camps are free? For the same money the states could probably double or triple their Children Services resources. Stop making excuses and just say it out loud... These kids are not American (code for not human in my eyes).

To anyone reading. If you think putting kids in cages or prison camps is EVER an appropriate solution then 'Sieg Heil' should roll comfortably off your tongue at political rallies.

This is the kind of crap that makes reasonable debate impossible.

So, instead of all the hurt libtard feelings and political theater about poor little kids, let's look at some facts not feelings.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/us-detention-child-migrants

First of all, these are mostly not "kids" They are older minors.



I guess AOC with her giant alligator tears would have you believe they are little kids being somehow abused.



OCD will weep with happiness about that.

Like usual the radical extremist left is crying about nothing.

Do you have any actual figures to back this up? What resources are you talking about? What is available now are foster homes and group homes. It's hard enough now to find people willing to be a foster parent, and the regulations/headaches involved in group home operation keep most people from even considering it. You should see the waiting lists for the better group homes. The conditions at other group homes that I've seen are a lot worse that what these immigrant children will be living in. The democratic solution to throw money at a problem will not suddenly produce utopian placement options for these children.

Good point. We should turn them back at the border, then.

You're accusing the opposing argument of being emotionally detached to the point of being bad humans and even parents (swing and a miss there, btw), AND tried playing the race card all in one... but you are just as detached from reality and rationally sorting out the situation.

These kids are PEOPLE, but not citizens. That's a simple fact, as is the fact that we do not have the resources to take care of every single person that decides to come here illegally. There are human rights, and then there are the rights given to citizens. There were arguments as to whether we were honoring their human rights during Trump's big illegal immigration push. Clearly, that's not the case here (though, I do wonder if the article writers took a very different stance with their articles since Biden's name is on these facilities instead of Trump... the facilities are going to be run by the same people, so I don't know how much they could've changed).

Before I get more off-track. The key to this whole thing is to fix our immigration process.... And I don't mean band-aid it like all of our recent presidents have. I mean actually go in and make it a priority to un-clusterf the process such that anyone that wants to come here can and can EARN citizenship. Immigrating legally should be doable for all, financially and time-wise (currently not the case).
Throwing the doors open and rolling out the red carpet for folks coming here illegally is no more a solution than what Trump was doing (treating all of them like hardened criminals or second-tier humans). While I think we should enforce our border and treat someone that has come here illegally as having broken a law (because they have), doing so without acknowledging (and fixing) our broken immigration system is not taking the situation seriously.

Wow,, AOC sure gets under your skin...

Fled Cruz leaves town but AOC stays behind to raise Millions to help texans that Cruz abandoned.

Seems to me that your hatred is misplaced.

Agree with your take here.

1. Whatever change Biden makes is going to be slow. Things / Government just does not change fast no matter what.

2. These conditions are fine. Those detained were trying to cross the border illegally - they need to be detained and secure... if not they will simply disappear.

3. No one wants to keep kids away from their families. But [a] as pointed out 70% are teenagers - [b] you can't make a chicken sandwich out of chicken poop. . . . you do the best you can. This seems to be about it.

Yes, America was built by turning away immigrants...

If turning away children is your answer, rather than just treat them like we would treat American kids in need/trouble, then you are part of the problem too.

Why is it so hard to just treat them like innocent kids and give them quality care until their cases are adjudicated? I'm not some open the flood gates immigration guy, I just don't want any child harmed on the taxpayers dime. I don't think that is TOO MUCH to ask.

Get this socialist craziness, I also don't like dropping bombs on children.

I think the answer (or not) lies in the different definitions of 'quality care'. The sobbing activist in the story admitted (in the same breath) that this very facility was probably 'the Cadillac' of these types of facilities. Earlier on in the article they mentioned that the temp facility in question would pass all of the relevant TX regulations.

Also, my turning away comment was snark.

That's not craziness. What's crazy is trying to equate dropping bombs on children and earlier examples of black children being killed and/or murdered to this situation. You lose all credibility when you sound like you've completely separated yourself from reality.

If we treated these immigrant children like we treated most of our own that are in need/trouble, you'd be screaming for a facility like the one talked about in the OP, where healthcare, food, education and shelter are given to them.

What you are actually ranting about is that we are not providing these children a great deal more than we provide our own.

I don't lose any credibility, I'm a progressive considered to be extremist on this board, what the hell do I have to lose? lmao

I might even accept these camps if it were not for the PRISON vibe. Lose the fence and guards or at least make the guards look more like caring adults and less like militants. And make sure social services is heavily involved in the overseeing of quality of care. THEN I would be open to these conditions as a starting point for emergency housing of immigrant children. But the long term solution looks NOTHING like this in my head.