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Feinstein: Letting Americans sue China over coronavirus response would be 'huge mistake'

California senator calls China a 'respectable nation' that has lifted tens of millions of people out poverty

Allowing citizens to sue China for damages caused by the novel coronavirus would backfire and open up the United States to the same level of scrutiny from other countries around the world, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said Thursday.

Feinstein, whose remarks came during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, said, "We launch a series of unknown events that could be very, very dangerous. I think this is a huge mistake."

Where I live... we hold China as a potential trading partner," she said earlier r "As a country that has pulled tens of millions of people out of poverty in a short period of time.and as a country growing into a respectable nation among other nations. And I deeply believe that. I've been to China a number of times. I've studied the issues."

Feinstein claimed other countries, including China, may decide to use the new legal precedent against the U.S., setting off a chain reaction, resulting in global chaos.

Her comments come three months after Missouri's Attorney General Eric Schmitt, a Republican, provided a statement to Fox News about a lawsuit he filed against China on behalf of the state, saying that the impact of COVID-19 has led to thousands of Missourians being infected, killed and economically devastated.

"In Missouri, the impact of the virus is very real -- thousands have been infected and many have died, families have been separated from dying loved ones, small businesses are shuttering their doors, and those living paycheck to paycheck are struggling to put food on their table," he wrote.

After the lawsuit was filed, an article posted on the Global Times, which is a branch of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP's) People's Daily, said the nation is "extremely dissatisfied with the abuse of litigation" by U.S. leadership," and is considering punitive countermeasures against U.S. individuals, entities and state officials, including Schmitt.

As the partisan divide with respect to China continues to deepen, Democrats have refrained from condemning the CCP's actions while Senate Republicans -- along with members of the Trump administration -- have chosen to take the Chinese government head-on.

In addition to Schmitt's efforts, GOP Sens. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., and Rich Scott, R-Fla., have been publically critical of the CCP, with Scott going so far as to introduce a Senate bill to shield vaccine research from Chinese spies and infiltrators.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has also taken a hardline stance against China, warning state governors of China's sophisticated practices with regard to U.S. infiltration and later claiming the CCP poses a real "risk" to the safety and security of America.

In 2018, President Trump slammed Feinstein for having a Chinese spy on her staff serving as her driver. Feinstein was said to have been “mortified” when she learned the news, according to Politico. The FBI wasn’t able to charge the individual, but Feinstein “forced him to retire,” a source told the San Francisco Chronicle.

Feinstein's comments come as the results of a new Pew Research Center survey were released, showing that over three-quarters of American adults blame the Chinese government for the global spread of the coronavirus and over 60 percent of respondents said the country has done a poor job handling the aftermath of the outbreak.

The survey, which polled 1,003 individuals and was conducted from June 16 to July 14, showed 73 percent of U.S. adults have an unfavorable view of China, which marks the most negative rating in the 15 years that Pew Research Center has been conducting polling on the subject.



I agree with her about not allowing us to sue China over this but then she made 3 incredibly ignorant statements about China ...

Where I live... we hold China as a potential trading partner

They’ve been such great trade partners in the past ... always fair and reliable ... :rolleyes” ...

We import there products they import our jobs and our technology and as of right now were at their mercy for over 90% of our pharmaceuticals or the resources needed to make the ones we don’t outright import ... sounds like a great deal ...

Then add in the fact the jobs they import are given to folks working in sweat shop like conditions and paid slave wages ... good thing the dems aren’t in bed with big business cause this gives the corps an awesome profit margin .. and just as important it gives them a huge competitive advantage over small businesses as they don’t have the resources to move to China ...

Then look at companies like Facebook, google, amazon and apple ... they allow china to do anything they want with the info they gather about folks using their products while in contrast if terrorists murder 15 Americans and law enforcement can’t get into their cellphones apple won’t even open their phones up for timely intel gathering ... hmmm ... wonder why China runs those fake social justice warriors companies, I’m sure it has nothing to do with money and I’d be willing to bet that one of those 4 companies is one of the top contributors to almost all of the congress members campaign's ...

Social justice warrior companies that overlook China’s treatment of the UIGHORS ...

UIGHORS WOULD LOVE TO COME HERE ... we have our social issues but last i looked we don’t sterilize any religious groups cause they don’t agree with our religion of choice ... these folks are treated like sub humans but its OK as long as enough palms are getting greased ...

2, As a country that has pulled tens of millions of people out of poverty in a short period of time.

Apparently this beatch don’t care about the Uighors either ... or how many people they plain flat out murdered to hide the truth about COVID ... are u kidding me ... U COULDN’T TRAVEL TO OTHER PARTS OF CHINA BUT ITS OK TO TRAVEL ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET ...

That sounds like the perfect plan to infect the world while containing it in your country ... MAN DOES THEIR GOVERNMENT EVER GET IT ...

3. and as a country growing into a respectable nation among other nations. And I deeply believe that.

She deeply believes it ... ..

Dianne say hello to HONG KONG, the UIGHORS next time your there ... and swing by the South China Sea and check out what there doing there .. it started under O and has continued through today ... Trump is FINALLY STARTING TO ADRESS THAT ...

PS Dianne ... there’s plenty of nations that are starting to see China for what they are and are deciding to get out of bed with the monsters ... there actually turning down what is basically free 5-g throughout their countries there so upset with china now ... i wonder why china was basically giving 5-g away ...

This government is pure evil .. the people I’ve talked to from China are incredibly nice and seem to be very good people ... the government is pure evil unless u want to ignore tons of very bad things ...

While I understand the criticism of China, now isn't the time for this nonsense.

My sis in-law was over in China as covid was spreading, and she saw similar markets where scientists and doctors believed this may have crossed from pangolin to human.

We all need to work together to defeat this bug, and we should figure out exactly what happened once the dust has settled. If this means the UN stepping in to strengthen health standards at animal markets, so be it.

China isn't the only party at fault, yet I do understand the reactionary measures being thrown out there. Don't react but try to address the root causes with interventions to prevent further chaos.

Are they NOT a potential trading partner?

Your president spent his entire presidency trying to cut a deal with China. His daughter was getting trademarks from China DURING his presidency.

Despite claiming that the tax cuts were gonna bring back jobs from overseas, his products are STILL being made in China.

Let’s not ignore all the nice things trump has said about China on Twitter. Oh that’s right, you’re not even aware of what the PRESIDENT says on Twitter, because you are not an informed voter.

And how are plenty of nations starting to see who China is? Countries around the world are STILL cutting trade deals.

China needs to see real competition from us, not some sort of chest thumping that you conservatives call leadership.

China is building bridges and roads in Africa while we sell bombs, bullets, and soldiers to Saudi.

Yea, it’s not a surprise that the world continues to do business with them. Atleast when it comes to the outside world, they aren’t selling death and destruction like the US is under trump.

Problem is china has not cooperated on this or anything else for that matter ...

IF they would work with the world I’d agree we should work with them on this ... it takes two and there unwilling ...

There is plenty of blame to go around but i have no clue how China is not 100% solely responsible for this based off the fact they allowed people to travel all over the world for at least a month after ...

Please tell me why u think there not responsible for allowing it to spread throughout the world when they new full well the affects it would and the fact it spread from human to human long before they admitted it ...

I’m not an informed voter ... let me now IF u ever wanna have an adult conversation cause appearantly all u wanna do is bash and insult as opposed to have a discussion ...

I’ll be around IF U EVER WANNA HAVE AN ADULT CONVERSATION ... I’m not going down that road with u again ... u can say all the ugly, untrue things u want about me ... I’M NOT PLAYING THAT GAME ...

Hong Kong, Uighars and the virus and what there doing in th South China Sea and all the other bad is being wiped out in your eyes by helping in Africa ... ... i know u don’t believe that u just love the “fight in the mud” ...

Enjoy that w/o me ...

you got offended by that? thats not an insult. if you aren't aware of the POTUS's official WH statements, which are his tweets, then you aren't informed.

that doesn't just apply to you, that applies to anyone in this country.

and the fact you used that to ignore everything else in this post is very telling, Diam. VERY telling. it lets me know that maybe YOU aren't capable of having an adult conversation.

or at the very least, unable to debate anything i said. wonder if its one or the other....or both. we'll see soon enough.

Nobody is ignoring the genocide that is occuring in China with the Uighars (see, no 'wiping out', because i'm informed), or any other internal issues they got going on.

but if thats the standard, then BY YOUR OWN LOGIC, the rest of the world should stop doing business with the US because of our own blatant issues with human rights.

oh wait, thats right, the entire WORLD started protesting against American police brutality, even DURING a global pandemic.

by your own logic, Diam. keep that same energy.

the reality is that every country has a lot of internal/domestic conflict, but that doesn't stop countries from trading with one another.

^^ thats a perspective from an adult.

*L* ... I’m fully aware of all his tweets ... I’m extremely informed ....

I can debate this til the cows come home If u wanna have a debate ...

For starters your comparing what they do to the Uighers to our issues with minorities ... u have kids so u weren’t sterilized ... when was the last time we sent someone to a concentration camp because of their religion ... when was the last time we inflected what amounts to a plague on the rest of the world ... when was the last time we disappeared scientists and doctors for telling the truth ... what shipping lanes are we building military bases and landing strips on ... how’s Hong Kong doing, i wonder how many have “disappeared” over the last few months From Hong Kong ...

How is what their doing to the Uighers or to Hong Kong even come close to the issues we have here ... u talk about logic .. that doesn’t seem very logical to me ...

Comparing are human rights problems to China’s is a joke on a good day ... i can only imagine a group of Uighers and the good people of China rioting and looting and destroying government buildings ... oh wait .. they actually tried PEACEFUL PROTESTS a few decades back in a square i won’t attempt to spell ... *L* ...

And if its so bad here why is it that folks from all over the world including people from China WOULD LOVE TO COME HERE ... ever here of anyone defecting to china ... ...

I know I wouldn’t want to come to a country that would treat me like crap ... but pretty much folks from the rest of the world are doing whatever i takes to get to this hell hole ... logic at its finest ...

Let me guess thats flawed logic as opposed to your spot on logic of how bad were seen around the world ...

Not agreeing with u does not = being uninformed ... sorry to Burt your bubble ...

And the fact u think our human rights issues are even close to the same scale as what china has done and is still doing SAYS ALOT ABOUT U SWISH ...

Not to mention how trump started a trade war with China that we could never possibly win. Causing us to bail out farmers with our tax dollars. Bail out bail out bail out ....consumers get...........higher prices......same wages. If they still have a job.

sorry but you cant talk about comparing anything when you routinely go "both sides suck" every time we get into a dem/republican debate.

keep that same energy. keep that same standard.

again, with the Uighars and the concentration camps and the the effects of the one child policy, all of this is going on NOW, and trump is STILL trying to cut a trade deal with china.

so when you keep talking about human rights violations and such....why does your president seem to ignore all of it in favor of cutting a trade deal?

just like why does your president ignore all the blatant human rights violations by the Saudi's in favor of making money?

thats whats also funny about this discussion. you wanna talk about China's blatant human rights issue with regards to how the dems view them.....but yet you wont criticize the republicans for wanting to cut deals with china KNOWING the same information.

yea, you wanna talk about logic? lets start there with your clear double standard. where's your criticism of trump and the republican trying to deal with China?

or is only a problem with the dems dont say much?

^^ guess which point you're currently living up to....

Bubbles Burt? Lol

Seriously....None of that has ever stopped countries from trading goods with China

and since you say you're informed on trump's tweets with regards to china, then this makes this thread even more confusing.

because Trump is the one you should be attacking.

but of course i can never expect a MAGA hatter to criticize dear leader...

I have u and yours to tell me everything trumps doing wrong weather its factual or not ... no need to go there y’all have that covered ... real and imagined ...

My boys made plenty of mistakes IMO ... PLENTY ...

He’s still trying to do a trade deal with them? ... from the rhetoric coming out of him and the republicans I don’t believe that to be true ... but u never know what’s going on behind closed doors ... if he is .. I don’t have double standards like u and yours ... if he’s trying to do it he’s wrong ... there’ll be plenty of back channels to get the food over there the people need that we don’t need to be in bed with them ...

PS. U didn’t address one thing i said ... not one ... when only one side is addressing what the other says its not much of a debate ...

I’ll re-ask two things ...

1. Why does no one defect to china yet folks from many other countries would love to come here ... what do u think the results of the poll would be if we gave folks the choice of living here or in China ... u think China would get even one vote? ...

2. Do u feel our human rights issues are on the same scale as China’s?

Can I play...lol. No?

Too bad here goes.

1. Thousands of people from the USA have moved to China to live and end up staying there. It’s not a defection because they come from a free democracy state The USA.

2. When it comes to racial issues. The USA is off the charts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebn...d/#5a105705725f

read this article. remember, they signed a trade deal (lol) in january. yes, this was before the VIRUS, BUT all those human rights issues like the Uighars, concentration camps, Hong Kong, and the effects of the former one child policy were happening WHILE trump pursued a deal.

so he CLEARLY didnt care enough about those issues to continue trying to cut deals with them.

that. is. a. fact.

i didnt answer your questions because they have no relevance to to this dicussion, but if you insist:

China is a communist country with plenty of human rights violations. yes, many people would love to come here, but you ALSO need to take into account the kind of countries most people are living in, such as china.

go ask people from most african countries, and they want to live here. same with south america, and southeast asia.

but you're trying to compare third world countries to America. go do the same thing with western europe, Australia, and parts of africa. its not so clear cut anymore, especially in western europe.

but defections doesnt mean ANYTHING with regards to why the republicans and Trump want to deal with china. you're trying to bring up human rights violations when the guy you support doesnt care about those issues.

No, they arent on the same scale as china's. But so what? we still have our own issues that we have to deal with.

and guess what? i dont live in China. i live HERE. so on a day to day basis, i care little what goes on in china because as a minority HERE, i got way too much crap to worry about. so the human rights violations HERE have much more of an impact on minority americans than what the Uighars in china are going through, and the same will be said visa versa. The Uighars dont care what minorities in america are going through. they have their own lives to worry about.

that. is. a. fact.

so yes, from a big picture standpoint, china is worse.

and yet, that STILL doesnt stop your leadership, or ANY OTHER COUNTRIES' leadership from dealing with them.

that. is. a. fact.

edit:

here's another one:

“The China Trade Deal is fully intact,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter after Mr. Navarro, a noted China critic, had appeared on Fox News. “Hopefully they will continue to live up to the terms of the Agreement!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/business/economy/trump-navarro-china-trade-deal.html

june 23, 2020.

ill be waiting for the harsh criticism of your leader, Diam. i want a full multi paragraph slam on Trump too. not just 3 words and a cloud of dust.

There you go lying again. It's "A Dem on China". Not "The Dems on China".

It would be like me saying...

"Republicans on Bribery."

Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder arrested in $60 million bribery case

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/20...ors/5477862002/

Swish we can't, and hopefully never will be able to, compete with forced labor camps. So as long as Nike, Apple, and a host of others are willing to supply the world with low cost, slave labor, products.. and we are willing to buy them, then I assume their global influence will only continue to grow.

China was a nobody on the world economic stage well into the 1990s.. then the tech boom happened and through massive human rights violations, the world turned a blind eye and allowed them to grow into an economic superpower. Those human rights violations exist to this day.


I'm not going to defend our policy but China isn't building stuff out of the goodness of their heart in Africa.. they are trading infrastructure improvements for full rights and access to natural resources and labor. Time will tell the benevolence of their investment in Africa but if I was a betting man, it's not going to work out well for the majority of Africa.

Nobody builds anything out if the goodness of their hearts. This is still business.

But that doesn’t change the fact that those in west Africa rather have the bridges than bombs. You need to remember I framed my response based on Diams thread. I know the Chinese are up to something, but at the end if the day, the communist are selling cash and development while the capitalist are selling bombs and destruction.

For a region like west Africa, they’ll take the cash and infrastructure. They KNOW they have the resources, so please stop talking about west Africa’s as if they don’t know what’s at play here.

Again, it’s a way better scenario than anything the US has been offering lately, which is not much, of at all.

I am not sure what good it does to sue another country under your own country's laws. Not sure how that works.

No surprise that Feinstein still thinks that China is good for businesses. She is living in the past. Companies have spent the last thirty years drooling over the Chinese market , dreaming about tapping into a billion new consumers, thinking that the China would eventually embrace capitalism and open up their markets to outsiders. It is now apparent that this was nothing more than a pipe dream and companies are finally starting to realize it. I wouldn't expect China to continue to grow at the rate they have enjoyed over recent history. Companies are going to start looking elsewhere, like S. Korea, for their future supply chains.