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https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/07/1...ip-documentary/

How exactly is a company that started off as a book distributor banning books?

He can sell what he wants. There are other places to buy books

You know how this works. You don't have to sell a gay couple a cake but...

People think businesses have the right to do what they want until what they want offends them.

I don't see him complaining that Walmart forces bands to change their lyrics if they want their albums sold at Walmart.

They're censoring a book about big tech censoring. The book proved it's point without being sold by big tech.

Censoring it from what?

And a cake was censored by a baker.

Let them eat cake .... unless they are gay

so let me get this straight:

a guy who owns his own business banned a book from said business, but its still available to purchase on another platform?

im struggling to understand why anyone should care.

Nobody should if they could think for themselves ... but you know, when you get all your talking points from one extreme source (despite claims to contrary) then you spew out what you're fed. smh

He is a Democrat !

Meh, this guys makes conservative hate flicks and bellyaches when he can't show them on various platforms. It's all a gimmick to get stooges to his website to buy it. nothing to see here but a GOPer whine-fest.

j/c:

I am at the point where I am completely fed up w/all the extremists on both sides.

I wish we could just give all you hateful souls a part of the country to carry on your hate. Maybe Texas, NM, and AZ? Or maybe Montana, Idaho, and either Washington or ND.

Y'all fight each in those locations and allow the rest of us peaceful, rational, and fair folks live in peace w/out your constant hateful BS.

I don't think that many of you can be educated. Your consumed by hate and selfishness. Screw the haters on both sides. You deserve each other.

I'm glad you didn't suggest Nevada.

LOL

If you’re fed up then log out and go do something else. All you do is whine about both sides, offer NO solutions, and trash people who do have solutions.

If you’re fed up, take action. If not, then nobody cares how you feel.

I am not going to go away because you want me to. Just like I didn't go away when the other side wanted me to go away. I will speak up for what I believe and you can't stop me.

I am not a know-it-all, but I have expressed some solutions. I do not think the "solutions" that your side or the other side have presented are solutions.

Instead, I think that each person should be treated equally. [PS: this is part of the solution in case you can't recognize it.]

I think that we should pour more money into educating the minorities and the poor than we do the other folks. We are already doing that. I support this move. It's smart.

I think that our hiring practices should improve in regards to hiring minorities. I have addressed this in the hiring of black coaches, FO personnel, etc many times.

I think that when you treat others equally, there needs to be some accountability on their end. Stop killing one another in record numbers. Get a freaking job. Reduce the percentage of single-parent homes. Stop w/all the violence.

What we need to do is to work together to find solutions to our problems. Blaming it all one side will NEVER help the problem. It will only cause resentment from the other side.

I say win the battle w/these three key factors:

1. Intelligence
2. Accountability
3. Unity over divisiveness.

I like my solutions over your blame-game, bro!

Blah blah blah.

Dude, you said I offered no solutions. I provided some [and I don't claim they are right,] and that is your response?

You don't want to discuss and learn. You want to dictate. You are every bit as hateful at those you hate.

I tried to steer you away from that for years. You chose to hate. You will reap what you have sown.

Honestly there is nothing actually wrong with what you wrote especially what I highlighted in white. . . . but it's a lot like there is nothing wrong with the concept of "Just say no" as a way to fight drugs. The issue is saying "Just say no" isn't effective and doesn't actually change behavior and attitudes.... saying "treat each person equally" doesn't actually change anything either. And while you seem to disagree that more needs to be done to undo decades of oppression and prejudice, without proactive efforts to lift up those that have previously been disadvantaged, the path to equality is slower and longer and probably incomplete.

I get what your saying... But the simple truth is, a business has the right to not serve you if they chose to...

Now, if it was the Federal or state government, that's a horse of a different color

What you do and don't believe gets more confusing by the day.



Getting rid of Trump is s start. For some reason you tend to suggest that as long as he is in office that there will be some kind of solution, compromise or civil type of conversation to be had. There won't be. Maybe you just haven't been paying attention.

Just this past week he has taken control of Covid reporting. Threatened to cut funding for Covid testing. He demands our children go back to school while his own party is moving events for their convention outdoors because it's too dangerous to hold indoor events.

You do understand that forcing our children back into school buildings is going to kill a lot of people, right?

So those are actually important things. Things that will hide the truth from Americans about the virus and help disguise the lies we are being told. Something that will kill teachers, cafeteria workers, bus drivers and the families of school children.

Yet somehow you spend more time yelling about being civil in political debates on this board than the things that are actually killing Americans. You can add police brutality to that list. Somehow, with all of those things going on in our nation, this is what has managed to climb up your priority list.



I'm not so sure who you really think it is that disagrees with most of what you're saying here. I guess maybe you should look at the race who controls most of these situations that have stagnated most of these situations from improving to this point if you wish to understand the anger involved.

Who controls hiring in most all cases in regards to jobs? Who controls coaching hires? What race controls the spending in Washington?



So it's the blame game of the left that has you so upset? It's amazing how you only seem to be attacking one side of that problem. You see, none of us on this board have the power to change anything. The people on this board already have their minds made up.

Yet you invest your time trying to be some social justice warrior on a message board that holds no value in terms of making any type of change in our nation. We have zero impact on any of the things on your list that you have mentioned.

None of those tactics got Trump elected. None of those tactics are what's employed by his supporters. Yet here you are. You are advocating we use the same tactics Hillary used in the 2016 election. "When they go low, we go high". Trump used the opposite tactics. Name calling, attacking anyone and everyone who questioned him. So many people supported those tactics that he is now the president.

Nah, I'm not going to employ a losing strategy. But by all means you carry on.

I came back to add some content.

Trump threatened to cut off all federal dollars to education. I know from your previous posts that you are fully aware of who gets those federal dollars.

It's the poor neighborhoods. It's the minority neighborhoods that desperately need that money. We also both know that better neighborhoods do not get that money.

We also know that covid numbers dictate that it's minorities that are far more impacted by the virus. So with all of your angst going to the methods used in political talk, did you ever stop to think that given your above point concerning education what it is Trump is actually trying to accomplish here?

I'm just amazed with your background and life experience that you aren't more focused on the things you know and what is being done in our nation at this time and you're spending more time focused on something trivial than what's killing the very people you have claimed for so long to care about.

What we post on this message board is a trivial thing compared to what's going on in our country. But here we are... again.

There are a couple angles from which to consider this, especially as it relates to the bakery refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. First, Amazon is refusing to sell a product based on preference, which is well within the rights of a business owner to sell or not sell a specific product. The baker is refusing to serve a customer based on preference, which is generally considered illegal. However, the free exercise of religion is a constitutional right, the constitution is pretty much silent on what Amazon is doing, as it should be.

So, in general, these two situations have nothing to do with each other.

There are a couple angles from which to consider this, especially as it relates to the bakery refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple. First, Amazon is refusing to sell a product based on preference, which is well within the rights of a business owner to sell or not sell a specific product. The baker is refusing to serve a customer based on preference, which is generally considered illegal. However, the free exercise of religion is a constitutional right, the constitution is pretty much silent on what Amazon is doing, as it should be.

So, in general, these two situations have nothing to do with each other.

If one feels that using religion as a weapon to discriminate against people is a worthy excuse they have nothing to do with each other.

Freedom of religion is in the constitution... the extent to which a person is allowed to go in the expression of that religion has been adjudicated many times over from many different angles at all levels of the court system. It doesn't really matter how one "feels" about it or whether they consider it a "worthy excuse"...

It's also a question of having freedom of religion or inflicting your religion upon others. Freedom of religion is a constitutional right. Discrimination is also illegal depending on who you are discriminating against and the weapon you are using to discriminate with.

The religious people think what they are doing is alright because "religious freedom" allows them to impose on others...

Please explain how not wanting to bake a cake for a ceremony you don't agree with is imposing your religion on others....

I can actually see both sides of the issue. I guess I side with, "If you want to be a public business, serve the public".

Otherwise don't play "pick a sin" as a reason to discriminate.

You made a choice to use your religion to deny service to people. Therefore your religion was used in a manner to negatively impact their life.

I agree with that... I just allow room for the fact that not everybody else does and I don't get to tell them how to practice their religion or how to prioritize things...

I think we pretty much agree on all counts. My course of action would be to never do business with them. That's pretty much how I handle things from my end of it. I can see the point of religious freedoms. I just disagree with the way this business chose to use that right. As such my business would go elsewhere.

Negatively impacting their life is vastly different from imposing your religion on somebody else.

The first case was a gay couple, the baker refused to make the cake.. they sued, went through the court system, the baker won and his ability to deny service based on his religious beliefs was upheld.

Subsequently two more cases of LGBTQ crusaders have sought out his bakery to ask him to make cakes for their own ceremonies, knowing he would refuse, knowing they would sue, knowing it would cost him a ton of money to defend himself, even though they have to assume precedence has been set and they would ultimately lose.. but the goal wasn't to win in court, it was to bankrupt him.

So who is going out of their way to negatively impact whose life now by imposing their beliefs on others? This is tantamount to harassment.

Probably the same type of people who constantly fight to overturn abortion laws by instituting policies they know will go to the SCOTUS to try and overturn Roe vs Wade.

Not sure if this is what you meant, but he isn't operating a 'public' service. He's operating a private business. He isn't the only cake-baking company in town, and they walked through his door. Whether I agree with how he runs his business or not, he's free to run his business how he sees fit.

I don't really disagree with you in principal. But despite all the semantics, the business is open to the public. And we certainly have laws that protect people from discrimination. Only not for gay people by and large. So while you are right that people have the right to run their business as they see fit, that didn't help "whites only". Religious liberty was used as an excuse for segregation too.

When ‘Religious Liberty’ Was Used To Justify Racism Instead Of Homophobia

https://archive.thinkprogress.org/when-r...a-67bc973c4042/

It's a slippery slope to walk no matter which side of the topic you're on.

Yeah, I didn't mean to make it sound so cut-and-dry. One thing that I fall back on is that nowadays (more than ever) things like this can help a business develop a reputation and cause people to support/reject a business with their wallet.

For myself, even though I don't know anything else about him or his business, I'm much less inclined to spend my money at his store knowing his interpretation of Christianity.

And this is where it gets even more nuanced. If a gay person walked in and asked for a Spider Man cake for his son's 8th birthday party and made it known to the baker that he was gay..

I wonder what the Baker would do. So far the Baker has refused to make cakes for gay/gender specific celebrations.. gay marriage, gender transition parties... so from what I know, he has never refused to serve a gay PERSON, he has only refused to participate in an openly gay ceremony...

Would be interesting to know.

GOP reps push resolution to ban Democratic Party over past slavery ties

It's a response to the body's vote this week to remove Confederate statues.

A group of Republican House members, led by Rep. Louis Gohmert of Texas, introduced a resolution Thursday that would effectively ban the Democratic Party from the House or force a party name change over past slavery ties -- a response to the recent efforts to remove tributes to past members of the Confederacy from the halls of Congress.


It specifically cites the Democratic Party platform's support for slavery between 1840 and 1856, and other racist actions by party members through the early-to-mid 1900s, before calling on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., to "remove any items that names, symbolizes or mentions any political organization or party that has ever held a public position that supported slavery or the Confederacy" from the House and its properties. The resolution also says such a party "shall either change its name or be barred from participation in the House of Representatives."

Gohmert, in a statement accompanying the bill, told Democrats they should rebrand to "avoid triggering" anyone.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-rep...st-slavery-ties

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