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Obviously, initially, there was no, to very little testing available. So, there was no way to know if people truly died from the virus and they were not calculated. Even if they exhibited the symptoms. I work in hospitals all over this country. I have absolutely NO allegiance to them and would not lie for any of them, and also work with coroners throughout the country. To believe that they are committing crimes to inflate numbers is insanity. These false numbers are, in my opinion, in the vast minority. I know the real people that are suffering and dying. I’m sick of people denying what is happening to fit their comfort zone.

People can argue all they want about measures taken and what should be happening with lockdowns, closures, etc., but some seem to want everything taken to extremes to prove their point. Let’s just be sensible, and not make everything out to be a vast conspiracy where thousands of people are working together to lie about a worldwide pandemic.

I asked because I honestly don't know what to believe. It's hard to know if what you are reading in the media is true or not.

There is something about the numbers that bothers me. I just don't see any way at all that they can be accurate from this perspective - anyone on here that works for a company with a lot of employees will understand this. Think of just a single company and the range of competence and quality of work within a single company or even a single department within that company. Now think about 100k's of doctors and 10k's of hospitals across the country. To think that everyone is reporting the numbers the correct way or the same way and following the right protocols correctly defies logic. There is no way on earth that the death numbers are accurate. There's less than 5% chance that's true when it involves a coordinated effort with such a large number of players involved. That means the number could be larger or smaller. I really don't know.

In general, I really don't know what to believe when it comes to measuring the severity of this thing. And this is coming from someone who hasn't set foot in a store in almost 3 months and wears a mask for curbside delivery of goods. We have a daughter who is immuno compromised, and we are not taking any chances. It's obvious what happened in Italy and New York were very real. But you have a large percentage of the population in Vegas walking around like nothing happened and everything is ok. My company is bringing remote employees back to work next week. I personally don't know a single person who has gotten it. I know of someone who knows of someone but only a few.

Honestly, I find it all very confusing and don't know what to believe when you read so many conflicting reports.

Trust the experts. Full stop.

Sorry bro. I believe in being safe and I do so but being a history buff and reading about times experts have been off on their findings/predictions keeps me continually NOT fully trusting experts.
That's NOT saying they're all a bunch of stooges but rather they're still humans and can make bad calls and continually do so on occasion.

I dont like how anybody whose not fully on board with this being what the experts and media have put forth (right or wrong) is instantly a pariah. I daily talk to an infectious disease doctor who says everyday he's scratching his head more and more as something seems amiss. He must either be a total maroon or have eczema...

I don't think an educated person fully trusts any one individual. However, I trust the "experts" in a certain field a lot more than I trust some blowhards on a message board and self-serving politicians.

Which ones and which day of the week?

I cant argue that in general Vers but...

I went from opinion 1...overactive thyroid, might need meds.

To opinions 2 and 3...Hurthle cell carcinoma, which was correct and seems to have saved my life.

So yeah, I'm not entirely sold by the expertise of anyone. I take it into consideration but exercise caution knowing we're not infallible.

I agree. The best thing we can do is put the time in to make informed decisions.

I do too, but even the experts have conflicting opinions. The WHO says masks are unnecessary unless you are coughing. The CDC says it is wise to wear a mask.

And this is the type of thing we run into daily at the hospital. They say, "Please social distance. When you cant social distance wear a mask". Now...if you have masks on (we're wearing full time) and you must be closer to someone you get, "You are too close! Social distancing"! We have masks on! What's it gonna be? Distance or masks, masks or distance. I fully understand how folks start to feel like their being pushed. I'm working for you, I'll do what you require. Tell me what you want but every other edict cant be some conflicted message!

I'm going to get my car inspected tomorrow because next week I'm going to pile the family into the car, making sure I have my drivers license, and we will all put our seatbelts on and head to the coast, driving approximately the speed limit, making sure to slow down for construction zones.. once there we will pay the toll to get across the bridge, park along the street and put some coin in the meter, cross at the walk... then I'm going to walk out on that beach with no mask on to show them that they can't tell me how to live.

And in that paragraph is an offhanded highlighting of the differences between rights and privileges.... but, that isn't for this thread.

That's exactly the way those downplaying it want it.

I've never really understood the confusion here. You can look at almost every nation on the planet which is undergoing this pandemic. Down to almost the letter everyone of those nations have their people wearing masks. One would have to believe the entire planet is wrong to think we shouldn't all be wearing masks.

I do know it's common for Americans to think, not lumping you in here at all, to think we know everything and the rest of the planet is always a step behind. But that's simply not true. We don't "know better than everyone else on the planet".

j/c...

Surge of cases in Cuyahoga County

Testing numbers haven't changed. They're doing the same amount of tests and more people are coming back positive.

We'll have a hospital surge and overwhelming if people aren't careful.

Wear a mask and trust the experts.

That is why I wear one most everywhere. It doesn't hurt anything.

My bud who works in the medical field put it this way:

"I'm taking my cues from the countries who have dealt with epidemics like this before. The use of masks is widespread because they've learned through experience. I'll steal a good idea from anywhere, about anything.

I'm in line with him.
I don't wear one at home.
I don't wear one when I take my dog for walks in the neighborhood/the nature preserve out our back door.

If I am in a building with others, it's on, no questions asked. It's such a small thing that can make such a difference.

I'm glad to see this from you.

Like I said, it can't hurt anything.

I walk a great deal, getting ready to go after this post. I don't wear one when walking. It's easy enough to keep space. This time of year I carry a towel....ok, I sweat, and with short cropped hair, or no hair in areas, I don't like sweat streaming down my face, so I have to mop it up every 10 minutes or so.

In the few areas you can't give space, the towel will cover my face if I feel a sneeze on the way, looking away from the other walker, runner.

Just common courtesy in my world.

Do you think there are 10,000 hospitals in the United States? I think there would be less.

edit: : :
"how many hosp in calif" -- American Hospital directory, 363 TX, 3-- Calif, 3909, total

Now given Unlisted,govermental and Pseudo facilities, I think 9,000 could be near the number of hospitals in the US, but I get the point about standardization in reporting,
3909, yeah, kinda felt there's not 10K hosp in the US, that's a lot given there's only a few per medium sized cities I'm aware of.

I signed up for the antibody test next Friday. I have no reason to think I had the virus. But I would like to know. So I can determine how much time I should spend in public.

I've got 5 within maybe 4 miles...
Could probably get to 10-12 within 50 minutes drive. There's a ton.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/ohio/

I was just looking at the Daily Bar Graphs. They added the ability to see 3-Day Averages and 7-Day Averages.

New cases in Ohio have levelled off pretty consistently for a few weeks now. This is seen well with the three day average. I'd like to see a few more weeks tacked on before getting hopes up with that, though, but it's starting to look like the re-opening won't be an immediate calamity as some were expecting.

Deaths.... Sundays and Holidays are ALWAYS the low points in reporting. Either people don't like to die on those days, or the paperwork for deaths just doesn't get done and subsequently gets pushed to another day later in the week, causing a spike (seems to typically be on Wednesdays). Seeing that, I'd expect to be able to say that Deaths have also levelled off, and when I view the 7-Day Average, it confirms as much. The rate has a few bumps on the road, but it is pretty consistent within a narrow range.

Reported cases and deaths are up in South Carolina. One theory is because of how much the state has opened back up. Another is that there is more testing. I suspect both are true.

I mentioned this earlier, but here in SC, the number of people not wearing masks and congregating in large numbers in relatively small locations is alarming.

This is why I think hospitalizations, ICUs, and deaths are the most important numbers as those aren't skewed by increased testing; those are the things that have been getting tested all along.

Well, since we actually started testing, anyway.

Unfortunately, finding reliable running data on the day-to-day numbers for active hospitalization & ICU cases is difficult, at best. In most cases, that information simply isn't available, but it would be a very useful data point to follow.

I agree.

I personally know only one person who has gotten the virus. (Ohio...near Dayton.) He (early 50s) got it from his sister (late 40s) who got it from her adult daughter (mid 20s). My friend is an avid workout warrior type...does marathons...tough mudders...etc.

The family was together for at least 4 weeks while their father was dying of Parkinson's complications. They are a wonderful and "huggy" family. The mother is in her early 70s but otherwise healthy.

My friend said he had a terrible headache for four days...and then was fine. His Dr ordered him to be tested and he was positive. His sister and niece had a very rough 10-14 days. They all followed the 14 day quarantine order - other than continuing to live with their families.

My friend's mother - and failing father who - never got the virus. His two children (early 20s) - who live with him - never got the virus. His girlfriend (mid 40s) who stays with him on the weekends never got the virus. His brother-in-law never got the virus.

None of these people "socially-distanced"...none wore a mask.

I'm not condemning social-distancing OR the wearing of a mask. Common sense says it certainly shouldn't hurt to do so. Common sense also says to stay away from others if you don't feel well. I'm guessing people without the sense to stay away from others when they don't feel well...also don't have the sense to wear a mask...or socially-distance.

Just sharing a story here more-so than trying to make a point.

I know someone who is fighting it right now. He's a long-time CF patient, and anyone who is familiar with the condition knows the battle he's facing right now.

The fact that so many people are asymptomatic actually means whether you feel well or not can make no difference at all.

That's why all of these folks saying, "We'll take your temperature before you enter", is only something that is said to make you feel good.

I'd be curious to know if the numbers are representative of the day of the stat or the day it was reported.


IE: a death on Monday does not get reported until Wednesday, it is part of Mondays stats or Wednesdays?

Because I see sudden spikes then drops, as if there are days that they report the backlogs.

That's kinda what I was alluding to above. Sundays are always the lowest point in the week for deaths. Wednesdays always seem to be about the highest.

Basically, these are reporting dates.... so, when you see a huge spike one day, all it means for certain is that on that day a lot of paperwork got done. It absolutely does NOT mean that many died that day.

j/c...

well, Karen, yesterday was Sunday and people generally don't die of COVID on Sundays; they wait for Monday through Wednesday.



It's good to see the total hospitalized drop, even if it is a statistically insignificant decrease.

It looks like 14 people went to ICU and ten of them were intubated.

The new cases number is steady.... overall, good news.

I'm worried of what God is going to do with America for shutting down churches for Easter and the surrounding weeks.

Observing

Have you read or listened to the news lately? LOL man.........2020 has been a disaster!

Saw a meme recently. "Scientists found a cave that had been shut for decades. They opened it and found 10 new species." First comment was "close it back up. It's 2020, We can't risk it."


Or something to that effect.

LOL................man, it's been one crappy year. The crazy thing is my dumb self thought this was going to be a great year.

It's funny, I usually don't make New Year's resolutions. This Dec 31, had a couple drinks, went outside to hit the peace pipe, got to thinking... Hmmm, 2020. Hindsight is always 20/20... This year I'm going to take everything I've learned in the past and start creating my own best future. I've been around long enough, have "seen it all", quit making the same dumb mistakes, quit doing the same dumb things. Had that peaceful feeling that I've finally got this whole charade figured out.

The man upstairs said "hold my beer".

2020 will definitely receive special mention in the history books. Remains to seen how many how many topic categories it will reach lows in...

j/c...