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I would love to be wrong. But that would take all of the scientific community to be wrong and politicians to be right. They aren't my predictions. They are the predictions of the best experts in their field of expertise. I trust them over Mr. I'm Not A Doctor.

J/C

Promising vaccine trial of US based company released.

People developed the exact antibodies that defeat covid! Speculation by the NIH is that this vaccine could potentially be ready by the beginning of 2021.

Now let's hope we can stay ahead of potential covid mutations.

j/c...

I guess that makes sense.

On a side note, I was scheduled from mid March til the end of May to ump some 30 games. Obviously, they were all cancelled. (h.s. and J.H.s games).

I was scheduled for about 20-25 games for 'summer' ball, 16u, 14u, 12u, etc, and could've scheduled, truthfully, as many more as I had time for. Summer tournaments - an ump could easily do 6 games on a Sat. and 6 more on Sunday......

Cancelled - until last Thursday I think it was, Then, some of them, after June 8, were back on. Then, another e-mail. Umps would have to wear a mask the entire time. Players could be unmasked while on the field, but would have to put masks on as they enter the dugout. Umpires could not touch ANY equipment (i.e. a bat dropped in front of home plate by the batter when a runner is heading for home - that's a safety issue that any good ump takes the 2 seconds, upon seeing there may be a play at the plate - to deal with, even if just kicking it out of the way).

Players cannot share any equipment. Not bats, or helmets. A whole lot of, especially the younger kids, don't have their own helmets. You can't believe how bats are shared, either. (and they are expensive.)

And this, from 2 local summer leagues/parks and rec leagues: All fans must stay 6 feet away, in the stands, on the way to the stands, on the way back to their car. And, 'someone will be present at the fields to take your name, address, and phone number for possible tracking IF someone is found to have covid. We may require temp. taking also."

I'm not doing it. (games, that is)

I can't speak to that. I suppose if you can lock those folks away, you can eliminate some of the problem, but as I said, you and I could get swabbed tonight and catch it in the morning.

I am not against testing but it seems to me you would have to do it over and over and over.

I don't think people are doing that.

Too bad man, that is a lot of games. I am not sure what the going rate is these days. 20 years ago we were paying our umps like $30 a game. That was the high school rate, and we only hired HS umps for our local summer league when our guys were 13-14 and one. Each team paid one of the umps. Each team put 4 new baseballs, agreed upon type in play. We had a local league of 8 teams. We didn't want any jackleg back there or on the bases ruining games. It was always a 2 man crew. It has to be a little more today.

That is a pretty nice chunk of change you are losing.

From what I see a lot of people are under the impression that the virus has gone away. Where I live restaurants are packed, roads are busier than before this started. People are having parties at the park.

Everyone is going back to work too, things are re-opening as they should.

The citizens of these countries have already been through this before with SARS. SARS cause many nations to develop plans and playbooks to deal with a coronavirus.

The vast majority of people in South Korea abide by what the government recommends, and their recommendations are very much in-tune with medical experts here in the United States. The big difference? They trust their experts there.

This bug is much better contained social distancing guidelines, wear masks, and testing is readily available. A large portion of the data supports this.

I dont think people think it's gone away rather since it's just NOT going away for the moment they've decided they can't hide for 18 months to 2 years from it so it's a showdown. Time will tell...

BTW, does the virus have an aversion to 10 people or less or does it just go for the big score? Is there some agreement IT has reached with the governor?

It hasn’t gone away. Their flippant disregard for social distancing and such will bite them, or someone they love, and/or their community in the arse in the coming weeks/months.
Their desire for ‘normal’ is exactly what the virus needs to continue to breed within us and spread.

Typical Murika, a ten second attention span mixed with selfishness and a disregard for science.

I agree in social distancing, wearing masks. I wear my mask anytime I go in some where. I don't wear it when I walk the Riverwalk. You don't have to touch anything and can generally maintain a distance.

True story here, on Saturday I had to go to the grocery store.

I went down a aisle and there was a woman about my age, we both had masks, so we kind of waited several feet apart for the other to get what we wanted. This guy, no mask, maybe 40ish came up behind me, left his buggy and got about 2 feet behind me looking for soup, just as I was. I was near the end of the aisle so I just excused my self to the end and watched and waited for him. Not real happy to be honest, but, ok.

The guy put 4 cans of soup in his buggy, picked up a couple of others, put them back, then put the soup he put in his buggy back on the shelf and started to walk away. I just looked at him and said that wasn't cool.

He said something and I told him to just leave, he came running back around the corner and stuck his finger in my face and said, I am a fighter man, you want some? I just looked at him and said Get out of her in a louder tone. He left.

The woman who I was next to came over, patted me on the shoulder a few times because she could tell I was agitated and said she saw and heard the whole thing. He was the ahoe.

I saw that guy in the checkout line, I just looked at him, and he said I'll stick my finger anywhere I want, I told him don't ever stick your finger in my face again pal. He started acting like a jerk. He started yelling at the guy in front of him about me telling him to not pick stuff up and put it back, the other shopper agreed with me. I told him to just check out, I would walk around the store for another few minutes. Just go home.

I told my wife about it when I got home and she got mad at me.

Go to Sunday, Pat needed something. We put our masks on, and went in to the store. Turns out that guy was in there at the same time and we made eye contact. I told my wife, that's the guy. A few aisles over, my wife a foot or two in front of me, the guy comes up to me to apologize. Said he had a bad day.

Pat heard it all. I told him no worries man, we all have bad days, it's all good. I gave him a elbow pump and we left good. I appreciated that.

That took me off the hook with her. She thought I was the one who caused the problem.



Honey, me? Cause problems? What? LOL

I'm relieved to read this.
What you described sounds nowhere near safe enough for me or my family. If I had kids, they'd just have to find a way to live with disappointment.

It's going to be increasingly difficult for people to exercise discipline to slow/control this thing's spread. Glad you're exercising good judgement.

j/c:

I can't believe how soft, selfish, and undisciplined so many folks are. I am so glad I played sports and they taught me the value of self-discipline when things get tough.

Both my kids are in travel baseball. This is putting everyone in a tough situation. Most parents are apprehensive, but do not want to be the ones to pull their kid(s) and have it pinned on them that there aren't enough kids to play the season.

On my youngest son's team, one coach wants to cancel and just have an extended Fall season (give it time to see the numbers after the reopening), the other coach is gung ho and thinks we should have never been delayed.

Even the kids are, for the most part, uneasy.

No gum, no seeds, no spitting, temp checks, masks on for the coaches at all times, no high fives, no handshakes, each team only uses their baseballs, 6 feet apart in the dugouts, kids with masks on in the dugout when not in the field of play, team meetings after the game (for our league anyway) will be done via Zoom. We've had three tournaments cancelled already.

When you have to have this many protocols in place, you probably just aren't ready to start up.

We have plenty of other things we can do as a family, hiking, boating, golf, parks etc., to keep us entertained.

Just an awkward situation. Most of the parents I have spoken with (both my kids teams have been together for several years now) had already moved on mentally from the Spring/Summer season and then Gov. DeWine announced baseball was open for play 5/26.

The question remains if the local communities will open the fields for play.

What a mess.

Like I said, I got the initial e-mail about having the summer games on Thursday. Couple hours later the e-mail about having to wear masks. I sat on it until last night, then replied.

There is a local facebook page I get. Some parents, even some coaches, were discussing softball and baseball, and the requirements - no other kids allowed to be at the park, having to wear a mask from the car to the fields, and from the fields to the car, not being able to share bats or helmets.........and 'what are all the other parents doing?'

I replied that, as an umpire, I decided to not do the games since I would have to wear a mask. Wouldn't be allowed, as a plate umpire, to be in a proper position (and I mentioned that even when an ump is IN the proper position many coaches and parents still don't think we can see).

Several of the coaches also mentioned they weren't excited about having to coach with a mask on, as well as having to distance, even in the dugout, etc.





Peen, h.s. games around here pay about $55 on average, per game. The summer games, and junior high games, avg. probably $40 a game, but most of the summer league games the umps do 2 games a night - $80 for being at the park from 5:30, for a 6 game, and then an 8 pm game...so, at the park from 5:30 til somewhere around 9:45, 10:00.

And believe it or not, games in a certain county I won't name....man, the fan behavior is crazy.

Both my son and daughter were on traveling teams. Baseball for my son and softball for my daughter. Both also played AAU basketball.

I was pretty hard-core in regards to all of that, but times have changed. If it were my kids, I would exercise caution. This situation is a new animal. Pushing your kids to be great competitors is one thing, putting them at risk is another.

My $0.02

Travel teams - around here, not school sponsored - many of those leagues, or at least many of the teams, have mandated that going to away games, only 1 kid in a car. Used to be 3 or so parents would drive the entire team - get 5 kids in van, 4 or 5 in another, and 3 in a car.

But now, say you have 13 kids on a team - that's 13 vehicles driving to an away game.

So much for the cleaner air and the cheaper gas prices...

This is about where we are at right now. Pulling them all together. I know other families want to as well.

My kids are 11 and 12 and my wife and I are in our 30s, exercise regularly, both of us are runners. However, it's a situation where if something ever happened to one of us or let alone our kids, it would be tough to live with.

The more realistic scenario, the more we would expose ourselves to others outside our family (even with best practices put in place), the longer and longer it is until they could physically be around their grandparents and also increase the risk of others we may encounter.

Furthermore, 90% of their team's players, at some point or another, are on vacation after July 4th. Meaning we're jumping through all these hoops to essentially have one month (June) of baseball because we'll be short too many kids to field a team after that date.

Yep. All the mandates are based off the Ohio Department of Health policy and the advisory board's (quite the group) guidelines.

My wife is able to stay at home so we took several kids to games when you had to be at away game early for warm-ups while their parents were still working.

This puts people in quite a bind right now.

Should have just cancelled and re-evaluated in late summer or early fall.

Yeah, I think you have the right attitude. I get the "push." We want our kids to succeed. Sports are a great teacher. Your boys are 11 and 12. My advice, not that you want it...LOL...would be to sit this one out. There is too much we don't know at this particular point in time.

Your boys are young enough that one season isn't a big deal. Others will make the same decision, so you should not have to worry about rejoining your old team or finding a new one.

Most colleges recruit from travel teams rather than high school games in baseball and softball. Your sons have a lot of time left.

I am not one of those paranoid people, but it's probably wise to get some real-life data about reopening things before you put your kids at risk.

One other thing...........I miss those days. We traveled all over w/our kids for travel ball. They were our vacations. That time period is when I left coaching because I wanted to spend time watching my kids play ball. Great times!

I certainly enjoy watching them compete and quite honestly and most importantly to have fun.

My wife and I do not really hold out hope or put great emphasis that they receive a sports scholarship offer someday. If this makes sense, I'd much rather my kids come to me someday and say, "I just got accepted in to the engineering program at Columbia or the school of science at Princeton" as compared to saying "I received a baseball/basketball scholarship at Cleveland State University."

Extremes, I know, but you understand my point.

Our emphasis has always been to challenge yourself educationally, first....sports second.

As to your other point, we have definitely had a blast traveling in the region to play in tournaments. The kids enjoy staying in hotels, swimming in the pool with their team and the bonding experience. We have a good group of parents as well.

j/c:

'Researchers claim 100 percent cure rate vs. covid-19 in 100+ patient trial conducted in Ecuador, using intravenous chlorine dioxide'

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-18-r...ne-dioxide.html

well said

Natural News? Seriously?

LOL.....you mentioned seeds.

I coached baseball for a long time. One time I picked up a bag of sunflower seeds. I didn't notice they were salt less seeds.

After a handful, which I didn't like, as asked one of my players if he wanted my seeds. He said sure, thanks.

After a handful he said these seeds don't have any salt on them!

I said I know, I don't eat the seeds, I just suck the salt off of them and spit them back in to the bag. The look on his face....I am pulling rib muscles laughing thinking about it....it was classic.

RIP Clark. He died in a house fire maybe 4 years ago. He will forever be a part of my life, and a darn funny one.

I do get what you are saying. My wife and I were the same way. I am of the opinion that sports helps build character. I think work ethic, respect, working cooperatively, perseverance, etc are all enhanced by playing competitive sports. We feel that those traits helped our kids become successful in both education and in their respective careers.

Exactly Vers, possible scholarships take a 2nd place to this.

I used to tell my hockey parents that we probably don't have an NHLer among us. It'd be nice but the odds are long. However, we do certainly have 17 future young men who will need to learn to win,lose, work and interact with others.

That was the sort of speech I gave football kids about their grades in school. They all think they'll be in the nfl. Millions of kids playing in leagues,to about 100 thousand playing in college, to 1500 in the nfl. I'd let them know their odds were not good, so keep your grades up.

Chlorine Dioxide is incredibly poisonous.... Do not put this in your body.

Natural News, lol.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/natural-news/

Not only did I play sports, but my dad was a former master sergeant who grew up very poor in the mountains of SE Kentucky. He was born in 1930 and remembered well climbing out of the great depression.

The biggest thing he taught me early in life that I see most lacking in todays society is the difference between want and need. The lack of knowing how to take a look at your enemy, understanding its strengths and being tactical in how to battle and defeat that enemy.

Listening to your leadership. Leadership being the people that know the enemy and being able to develop a strategy to defeat it. In this case it would be the experts in the field of viruses and health.

I am very disappointed in hearing the way much of our nation has decided to ignore the very things needed to win a war in a time they also speak about strength. Strength isn't ignoring the evidence to bow to the wants and desires of those claiming that is a need.

j/c...

And, just like that - the local parks and rec that cancelled the whole summer season (city league games and travel leagues), then decided to start it again on June 8th, but with the requirements I listed as well as others - the e-mail I sat on for 3-4 days before I told them I was out..............has no cancelled the entire season yet again.

arch, I know you’re involved with rec sports and youth sports ... so this is coming from someone in PA ... what’s the state of pickup/league basketball stuff for this summer in Ohio?

I can't speak for Ohio.

I know most communities around here have taped off basketball courts, and cops patrol to make sure no pick up games are occurring. Not arresting anyone, just telling them they can't play.

I know of a few communities, mine included, that flat out removed the rims and backboards - here, 4 different courts in town.

I know in several communities, mine included, cops are getting called by some people reporting "there are kids on the baseball/softball fields....." I do not know the states official stance, but I know enough that it seems to change quite often.

I know just yesterday I read that the lt. governor - sometime this weekend, made a statement along the lines of "the state never said spring sports couldn't occur. The state only mandated that schools be closed."

That ticked off a whole lot of h.s. spring sport coaches and h.s. A.D.'s. I've still not heard Jerry Snodgrass's comments - he's the head of Ohio High School Athletic Association. OHSAA.

Our pool is closed for the summer - well, the town's pool. A neighboring town is opening their pool.

No summer sports here, but another neighboring town is advertising that they'll be playing softball and baseball.