DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus This is just scary..

Religion, under capitalism, is nothing more than a business in this country.

Wow.

Another shining example of why I quit religion.

This is another one of those ridiculous “just pray about it” type of nonsense.

I hate that we live in such a demon haunted world. Carl Sagan was right.

Sorry but the same kind of people who fall for this crap are the same kind of people who fall for Nigerian prince scams.

Just completely gullible.

Hey, I got my million last week. I used it to buy ocean front property in Arizona. Do you want to invest in it?

You laugh, but that could exist in 30 years.

So, i just wanted to jump in here.

My wife and I were a part of a group like this, based in Ohio, for about a year and a half. We lost our insurance through her work, and paid for our own out of pocket ($950+ per month with $6000+ deductibles PER PERSON) for a year. After a year, our costs were to jump to $1400+ per month. We couldn't afford it, so we went to this.

This article seems to be misleading. As an example, in our group it very clearly says what they will "cover" and what they won't. They also offer different levels of coverage. Ours was $150 per month, per person, but caps at $450 per family per month. That has the $100,000 per person per year cap. If you pay another $40 per person per quarter, the cap disappeared.

They don't cover anything upfront. After you get your bills, you submit them and they reimburse you for the costs. In the year and a half we had it, we were reimbursed for everything. I think it amounted to roughly $6500.

We dropped it about a year and a half ago because we got our old insurance back (long story) but it was a much more cost effective option for when we needed it. It did help that friends of ours had used the same group for years with good result, so I can't speak to all, but there are good ones out there.

I have family with this kind of faith based insurance and it has served them well for many years.

Like anything, I am sure there are scams out there.

Only if it comes with a wall that keeps New Mexicans out.

But the new ones can work and add to the economy for decades to come. It's the old ones who only want Social security and drain the economy. I say we keep "Old Mexicans" out.

That the Mexicans paid for?

Hey 40.. Whats the name of your faith based carrier,, Share it, I'm sure some on here can use it.

Don't Bogart that Joint my friend.

Insurance in general is nothing more than a business in this country.

My wife has a broken disk in her back. The MRI showed it clearly. Doctor appointments, see a surgeon, blah blah blah. The recommendation was to see a pain management specialist. I wondered what the heck a pain management specialist could do for a broken vertebrae. Insurance denied that anyway.

Back to the surgeon who recommended spinal fusion surgery. Even scheduled it with the caveat of "Who knows if your private insurer will cover it. They usually let us know a week or so before. I doubt they'll cover it though."

So what the hell? My wife has a broken disk in her back...............and is scheduled for surgery on the 15th, and we still don't know if insurance will cover ANY of it. This is insurance through work.

Ever wonder why gov't. buildings, doctors offices, hospitals, and insurance company headquarters are so awesome in appearance? They take money hand over foot, and pay out as little as possible.

At least, for us in this case, we can question the decision makers.

I continue to pray for you every day bro.

This is actually quite interesting.

Two people have posted with actual, real-world, first-hand knowledge of the product, and reported being quite happy with it.

About a dozen others, who are totally ignorant of the product, have done nothing but kvetch, whine, and moan. Very likely simply because it is 1. religion-based, and they hate all such things, and 2. it is an alternative to Obamacare, and they hate all such things.

How about actually learning something about the subject and attempting to discuss it from a knowledgeable perspective? Too much to ask?

Lol .. these people actually pay more then they would If they went on straight Obama care. People need some economic education.

And neither of the two that said they are happy would tell us the name of the groups they bought the plans from. That's telling me they are full of it.

So, two different people have stated their experience, which you don't want to hear, and the only possible explanation is that they are lying?

Meanwhile, the dude who said "If you like your current plan, you can keep it", was CLEARLY lying, has been repeatedly demonstrated to have done so, and this is the system you support?

When all you will hear is what you want to hear, no advancement of knowledge takes place.

These plans are clearly viable, work well for some people who understand the product they are purchasing, and represent a good option for some.

They are not perfect, and they are not run by the government. In a free market economy, a product which people want will be made available. A product which people do not want will only continue to exist by a government using coercive force. Some folks want that, some don't.

When I hear people state that they don’t want Medicare for all because the government can decide not to pay for a procedure I’m reminded of all the times over my 23 year nursing career that I’ve heard stories similar to yours. Ones where insurances refuse to pay for procedures.

I hear people refusing to educate themselves on how single payer or medicare for all would actually work. Even Trump promoted it in his 2016 candidacy. Of course that was just him (and hillary) trying to steal some of Bernie's thunder.

Was Oscar Schindler an evil man because he made that salute?

Since no one will address this concept, I will answer for you.

No, Oscar Schindler was, in fact, a very, very good man.

This means that not everyone who makes that salute is an evil person.

Much of West Virginia is desperately poor. These people are applying to be prison guards. A job with few required qualifications, and low status. But, it pays well and being government, has good long-term prospects.

Some people will say they would let their children go hungry rather than make a simple hand gesture which does not tie them to any particular thought process, other than their boss is a power-mad witch with delusions of grandeur. But, you don't dare touch on that aspect, do you?

I say such people are talking out their piehole, doing nothing more than posing and trumpeting their self-righteousness on a message board.

Is it objectionable? Sure it is. I don't like the weather today. But if I needed to deal with it to feed my family, I would shut up and do what the boss says I have to do. Just like these cadets did. No evidence the entire ideology associated with the gesture is involved in any way.

There is no sign of the Great All-Powerful Evil that many see in almost everything, in this case.

Edit: This was posted in the wrong thread.

not only are you completely wrong, AGAIN, but you also posted in the wrong thread.

sad.

Says a lot. Desperately tries to take the alternate contrived opposite view and justify it with pseudo intelligent psycho babble BS. . . . Apparently people don't need to be held accountable for their actions these days - Nelson can see in their hearts and its all good.

Damn, will have to cut and paste.

I am not claiming at all that I can "see into these peoples hearts".

That is what you are doing.

Remember, there’s good people on both sides. That’s what he was told by his leader.

Read the part about Oscar Schindler as many times as it takes for you to get it.

This simple fact is that there WERE good people who made that salute.

If you have actually read the other thread's original post, you would know that both now, and in the past, there were people who made it who objected to making it.

But, you folks can "see into their hearts" and tell which is which.

In case you don't know, Oscar Schindler had a List.

yea, except this isn't WW2 or afterwards.

it's now going into the 2020's. there's no excuse not to know any better. there's no excuse to event throw up the salute for any other reason than you're a card carrying racist.

the fact that you're argument has boiled down to "well, they were just following orders" just doesnt hold water.

and the fact that you will continue to make excuses for this sort of conduct only points to your own questionable character.

Would that put Obama and his husbands 15 million waterfront house on the coast underwater?

You see racists just about everywhere you look, don't you?

You are right, this is not WW2, there are no Nazis anymore.

Just a few people wanting to feed their children doing something in mildly poor taste.

No reason to believe they are "card-carrying racists". You can not see into their hearts.

But then, racism, Nazis, and fascists are pretty much your excuse for everything wrong in your world, aren't they? You see them everywhere to explain away your own problems. You race to identify as many as you can to signal your own virtue to all.

They do exist. There are just not that many of them. You have seen literally a fraction of a second of these peoples lives, yet you feel free to categorize them as card-carrying racists.

A bunch of dudes growing up nazi salutes and this is the best response you have?

Everything you Just said was another round of BS, and yet answer the question:

Would you take a picture throwing up a Nazi salute for employment?

What a vile remark about M. Obama. You are proving yourself to be a true a bottom feeder.

You are actually wrong... I do want to hear about it. I want to know who they joined up with and are happy with.

It would be very good to share that information as I said earlier.. But of course, you don't want to have those claims examined....Cause you know I will...so will others.

As for the rest of your rant, perhaps you might want to back up and rethink it... it's pure nonsense.

What's the name of the group.,.. share it for others

Second time I've asked, please share the name of the group.. I'm sure others would like to know..

Telling people they are "full of it" is not a request for more information. It is a flat statement that they are lying.

They don't owe you squat. You called them liars.

Please point out a specific statement I made which indicates I do not want the plans questioned.

Likewise for the rest of the post which you failed to understand. Free market economy, perhaps?

Fixed it for you.

Christian Healthcare Ministries, based in Barberton.

From my previous statement, our costs with "Obamacare" were $950+ for 1 year and the following year were to increase to $1450+ per month the next year with outrageous deductibles. So no, it wouldn't be cheaper.

Thank you CLE

for those that want to look into it. you can find it here.

https://christianhealthplans.com/landing...LBoCzCAQAvD_BwE


Seems decent.. not sure about a few things they discuss on that site,, but then, I'm not looking for insurance at the moment,, I'm all set. Worth a look for sure.