I think it comes down to this: we need a great coach, and with Dorsey in the house and insisting on control, our options were extremely limited. He had to either go or accept a reduced role, or else we were going to be begging unknowns to be our coach. He is a prideful guy. This had to happen and is not the Haslams’ fault, IMO. Now we can pick from our wish list. For me, it is McCarthy. I like some of the other names, too.
I love the despair invoked by so many fans...lol Like 6-10 was nothing to be PO'd about but now its the end of the earth...lol
Dorsey did a good job but then again who couldn't with the Cap we had, Draft picks we had.
Not a reason to be fired but he missed so so bad on the only OLman he took of note.
He was not perfect, he was the best we had seen.
Obviously we have been talking to people who want full control.
Is it McDaniels who wishes to be a carbon copy of BB??? He has HC experience he was suppose to be great then and bombed.
Don't forget who is close friends and a confidant of Haslam...none other than the great Urban Myer?
Anyone think Urban as the Csar/GM and Lincoln Kennedy as his HC?
I think something is up and we got to get the Minority Interviews over and then go with the plan being cooked up.
Hey I'm up for anything as long as it is forEVER and not one season.
Just a word of advice...STOP WITH THE CHICKEN LITTLE - THE SKY IS FALLING fan mentality. Lets see what happens.. It cannot be anything but good we got a wealth of talent (Garrett better be coming back from game one next season and have a chip on his shoulder)
We still have the best RB in Football and the best 2nd RB in football. Along with a great young franchise QB and a WR corp that is top in the NFL regardless of the LOW FANTASY POINTS of 2019. OBJ sucked and still had 1,000 yards - how many WRs did we have who had 1,000 yards and I think we had 2 WR accomplish that this season.
We need to go heavy into OL.
We need a playbook that will spread things not keep them in tight....if I see another Bunch tight WRs as if they were a bunch of OLmen I will shoot myself. We need to not bunch things up but instead...SPREAD Them out. Vertical and Horizontal.
So I'm saying we got Urban and Lincoln...you heard it here first.
Now hit me with the usual insults for thinking out of the box...lol
We got to do something GREAT for a change! jmho
Doresy did a great job but it is great now that he's gone? Who could't do a great job with what he had? How about every other GM we've had since the return. THEY couldn't get talent. Not one of them could draft worth spit. Dorsey was the ONLY real GM we have had since the return and in TWO YEARS he got us more talent than any of the other bums did. So woo hoo he's now gone and of course, you support that because Haslam can do no wrong. Well, when the new guy comes in a blows it all up and we draft like idiots again and again remember you are happy about it.
What great talent did Dorsey bring in? Most of his FAs have been major disappointments.
Last Draft: Baker - Questionable at best. Major concerns Ward - injury prone, and wasn't nearly as good this year. Corbett - Awful, and gone Chubb - excellent pick Thomas - seems to be improving, decent pick Callaway - gone Ratley - seems like a decent pick given the round
This draft: Greedy - decent but not great so far Wilson - decent Takitaki - barely played Redwine - seemed lost, can't tackle Seibert - good kicker, still some concerns, but a 5th rounder? Forbes and Lewis? No clue
OBJ is gonna be fine, but his attitude needs checked. Vernon was a huge disappointment. Randall was a good trade, but his attitude sucks and he's gone.
Again, what "great" talent? There hasn't been a GM in history set up like he was and he still doesn't have great results.
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The comments about OBJ crack me up. The guy played with a groin pull the entire season and still cracked 1000 yards. Yes his antics are a distraction but to claim a guy who toughed it out and played injured all season is a bad player makes people look foolish.
I am not denying that OBJ has talent. I do not like all the other stuff that comes with him. He is a me player that loves attention. Always something going on with OBJ. It seemed like Baker and Freddie spent too much time trying to get him the ball and it hurt the offense. Plus I bet he led the team in drops. He felt rules did not apply to him. The visor, shoes, watch, pants. Freddie was always down playing these things. The OBJ trade should never have been made IMO. Its hard to have team discipline with players who think they can do whatever they please. I would rather of had our receivers from 2018 Landry, Higgins, Perriman. Baker would spread the ball around to 7 or 8 different players not just focus on 1 or 2.
I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
The comments about OBJ crack me up. The guy played with a groin pull the entire season and still cracked 1000 yards. Yes his antics are a distraction but to claim a guy who toughed it out and played injured all season is a bad player makes people look foolish.
I am not denying that OBJ has talent. I do not like all the other stuff that comes with him. He is a me player that loves attention. Always something going on with OBJ. It seemed like Baker and Freddie spent too much time trying to get him the ball and it hurt the offense. Plus I bet he led the team in drops. He felt rules did not apply to him. The visor, shoes, watch, pants. Freddie was always down playing these things. The OBJ trade should never have been made IMO. Its hard to have team discipline with players who think they can do whatever they please. I would rather of had our receivers from 2018 Landry, Higgins, Perriman. Baker would spread the ball around to 7 or 8 different players not just focus on 1 or 2.
I'm fine with OBJ.
For a "Diva All About Me" he was fine this year.
Sure, he had a few minor things.
But he wasn't a distraction other than for the haters who need someone to hate.
Would you prefer he act like AB?
I'd guess not.
OBJ kept it in check even when the media was hell bent on causing drama with him.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
The comments about OBJ crack me up. The guy played with a groin pull the entire season and still cracked 1000 yards. Yes his antics are a distraction but to claim a guy who toughed it out and played injured all season is a bad player makes people look foolish.
I am not denying that OBJ has talent. I do not like all the other stuff that comes with him. He is a me player that loves attention. Always something going on with OBJ. It seemed like Baker and Freddie spent too much time trying to get him the ball and it hurt the offense. Plus I bet he led the team in drops. He felt rules did not apply to him. The visor, shoes, watch, pants. Freddie was always down playing these things. The OBJ trade should never have been made IMO. Its hard to have team discipline with players who think they can do whatever they please. I would rather of had our receivers from 2018 Landry, Higgins, Perriman. Baker would spread the ball around to 7 or 8 different players not just focus on 1 or 2.
I'm fine with OBJ.
For a "Diva All About Me" he was fine this year.
Sure, he had a few minor things.
But he wasn't a distraction other than for the haters who need someone to hate.
Would you prefer he act like AB?
I'd guess not.
OBJ kept it in check even when the media was hell bent on causing drama with him.
So I give him props for keeping it on track.
OBJ loves drama. Hope the next GM sends him packing. As for being a distraction, I'd say he was.
I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
Baker played hurt most the season as well and is the first Browns QB to put up consecutive 3500+ passing yard seasons in a long time, but that doesn't stop people from complaining about his antics.
The shiniest turd in the punch bowl is still a turd.
Unless he improves a TON, Baker....isn't the guy.
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Baker played hurt most the season as well and is the first Browns QB to put up consecutive 3500+ passing yard seasons in a long time, but that doesn't stop people from complaining about his antics.
The shiniest turd in the punch bowl is still a turd.
Well, Atleast Dorsey drafted the worst rated QB in the league. At least we got that going for us.
Two QBs in the same draft class have now led their teams to the playoffs. Another one finished with a better record than us, despite having the cooties for a month.
If Flores plan was to save Rosen until next season with a new O line and other talent, then we could easily see Rosen outplaying mayfield next season.
Sad.
Yep - and not only that, as I said about a month ago, as soon as Cincy drafts Joe Burrow, we're back to having the absolute worst starting QB in the division....again.
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Well, Atleast Dorsey drafted the worst rated QB in the league. At least we got that going for us.
Two QBs in the same draft class have now led their teams to the playoffs. Another one finished with a better record than us, despite having the cooties for a month.
If Flores plan was to save Rosen until next season with a new O line and other talent, then we could easily see Rosen outplaying mayfield next season.
Sad.
Yep - and not only that, as I said about a month ago, as soon as Cincy drafts Joe Burrow, we're back to having the absolute worst starting QB in the division....again.
It's amazing you can know a 1 year starter in college would suddenly be better than Baker. That, and I think Ben is done. I highly doubt he comes back at his age from major elbow problems.
Why does that not surprise me about Lord Dorsey one bit? He's as bad as Art Howe was portrayed in Moneyball - except worse.
Nobody says you can/should rely on data analytics solely. Nor should you rely on a single person/scouts evaluations. But to have the arrogance to throw that amount of work in the trash in front of everyone (if true) - I'd have fired his ass (Dorsey) on the spot.
What a complete tool.
Also - for those of you who hate analytics, welcome to the 21st century.
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Everybody said Freddie was in over his head, and he was, but I also think The Haslams are in over their heads, as well. I don't think they know what to do and I certainly don't trust them to pick anybody or stick with anybody who might know what they're doing. It sure as hell won't be baseball "genius" DePodesta. Plus, I'm so f'n tired of hearing about analyitcs.
Dorsey brought more talent to this team in a short period of time than it's had in years. Sure, some decisions were not good, trading Zeitler was bad, but not every decision can or will be perfect. Jimmy Haslam now will likely be the reason this team falls back to 0-16 again, cause when he fails to get it right, the good talent we do have will all go bye-bye. If winning cures all, not winning kills all.
Basically what I said earlier. Dorsey is a scout not a GM, a good gm would atleast consider the data and see if he can use it... a scout believes he knows by seeing. Seems to be a common theme with Dorsey wherever he goes, if he's scouting he's happy, but he's not GM material. He doesn't play well with others and thats the last thing you need in a GM...good riddance
Well said ... his people and analytical skills were obviously not good
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Basically what I said earlier. Dorsey is a scout not a GM, a good gm would atleast consider the data and see if he can use it... a scout believes he knows by seeing. Seems to be a common theme with Dorsey wherever he goes, if he's scouting he's happy, but he's not GM material. He doesn't play well with others and thats the last thing you need in a GM...good riddance
Bingo. It's why his moniker of Lord Dorsey rings truer today than ever.
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Basically what I said earlier. Dorsey is a scout not a GM, a good gm would atleast consider the data and see if he can use it... a scout believes he knows by seeing. Seems to be a common theme with Dorsey wherever he goes, if he's scouting he's happy, but he's not GM material. He doesn't play well with others and thats the last thing you need in a GM...good riddance
Everyone needs to stop quoting this one. The guy has 11 followers, and just tagged a bunch of reputable people. He's making stuff up.
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Cleveland Media are trolls. They are half the reason I hate Cleveland sports.
Basically what I said earlier. Dorsey is a scout not a GM, a good gm would atleast consider the data and see if he can use it... a scout believes he knows by seeing. Seems to be a common theme with Dorsey wherever he goes, if he's scouting he's happy, but he's not GM material. He doesn't play well with others and thats the last thing you need in a GM...good riddance
Everyone needs to stop quoting this one. The guy has 11 followers, and just tagged a bunch of reputable people. He's making stuff up.
I agree. 'Cam From Canada' is disgruntled former (daily) caller to Cleveland Browns Daily and has been incensed ever since they quit taking his calls. If I recall, he lives in Vancouver and is nothing more than a fan. He tried for awhile calling into WKNR attempting to be someone "plugged in"to the team until he was blown off by them as well.
He's a clown.
*This isn't me defending moves made by Dorsey either.
Outside of the Tweets from guys with a handful of followers ... the picture being painted is one of two guys with some awfully big egos that based on a success streak of only 8 games last year, couldn't swallow their pride and do what's best for the team.
After last season's 8 game success, Freddie didn't want to maintain continuity from existing staff and brought in many of "his" guys, despite the success he had achieved with the previous staff. He then went on to refuse giving up play-calling duties, even after it was painfully obvious that he had no business calling plays. Game after game, we'd look respectable running down the field using the scripted plays that Monken helped setup, and then looked lost when Freddie went on his own. He kept trying to force they same formations, plays, tricks, etc all season long without much success. Teams would claim they knew exactly what we were running each play. But Freddie never bothered to pass the play-calling on to someone else, or try something different. He stubbornly, stuck to what his ego wanted to do, likely because he had a few games of success last season.
At the end of last season, Dorsey looked like a godsend when his draft class had panned out multiple starters, and potentially the top QB of a deep class. Based on that success, he then overruled everyone else in the front office to get "his guy", and then allowed him to blow up the existing coaching staff despite the previous success. As this season went along, and all those "great draft picks" that he had from last season started to look more and more pedestrian, he refused to admit his mistake in hiring Freddie. Instead of swallowing his pride, he insisted to Haslam that we keep him for another year, despite the team basically quitting on him.
Interestingly, Baker seemed to have the same mindset last off-season as well. "I did awesome the last 8 games ... I can do no wrong this year." It could be the reason there was such a culture problem this year. Leadership was setting a bad example.
Granted, I'm basing this on a lot of semi-reputable Twitter reports, but if this is correct, I'm somewhat glad we are rid of the egos. If we can bring a guy in like McCarthy who swallowed his pride, and took an entire season off to make himself a better coach, then I'd love to have that kind of culture on the team. I'm hoping we keep most of the remaining Front Office intact, and the reason why we ousted Dorsey is because he ignored the inputs of the others there. We can then hopefully build a structure with humility and everyone working together. I'm tired of heading stories of guys pulling rank and making moves against the consensus because they thought the knew better.
Did anyone read that blurb on nfl rotoworld about Monken going up to the opposite teams coaches prior to games and telling them how much of a mess it is here. Guess he was stating Freddie was using none of the plays that he (Monken) was working with the team throughout the week with...Man, what a disaster.
Did anyone read that blurb on nfl rotoworld about Monken going up to the opposite teams coaches prior to games and telling them how much of a mess it is here. Guess he was stating Freddie was using none of the plays that he (Monken) was working with the team throughout the week with...Man, what a disaster.
That was obvious to me when watching the games. This only confirms what I saw.
Once Freddie went off of the scripted plays, this team failed to find a rythm, week in and week out.
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