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hehe, well, just wait until Q1 '08 when there will be Native Quad's aplenty from AMD for dirt-cheap.... and then H2 '08 when Intel does its own native-quads.
I have two overclocked Kentsfields already so I think I'll wait a bit longer  Barcelona doesn't look too good right now anyway.
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I'm in the music industry as well and most good music programs are windows based even though most are changing to Mac as well.
Yeah, all you need is Auto-Tune these days, right? 
I play drums and I am learning the keyboard...It can be simpler, but you still have to have some music knowledge to construct a song and have a good ear for music as well but I can see where it is simpler nowadays.
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I used the word tries for a reason.
Also, 1 GB of RAM and the "junk" video card (which retails for ~$150 on it's own) is more than sufficient for OS X. Besides that, try to find a PC in an LCD display from any manufacturer and compare that cost / components against an iMac.
Go to Dell.com and step through the configurator for the XPS 410.
I just configured a Quad-Core 2.4GHz system with 2GB ram, dual-layer DVD burner and a MUCH better video card for the same amount.... with a 20" LCD screen.
I felt 'froggy', so I beefed it up with a 128MB Aegia PhysX card and bumped the drive to 500GB.
WOW!!! I'm jealous. How much, may I ask, that cost you?
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with the added PhysX card and the 500GB drive upgrade, it weighed in at right around $1900. I didn't buy it though, it was just to demonstrate the difference in value between what you get in IBM Compatibles vs. what you get in an Apple... and not doing a Build-It-Yourself rig. If I did that, I could get way more for way less 
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Go to Dell.com and step through the configurator for the XPS 410.
I just configured a Quad-Core 2.4GHz system with 2GB ram, dual-layer DVD burner and a MUCH better video card for the same amount.... with a 20" LCD screen.
I felt 'froggy', so I beefed it up with a 128MB Aegia PhysX card and bumped the drive to 500GB.
I am not a Mac guy, but I can appreciate the design considerations that they go through when putting together machines.
When I responded to aldamon I specifically addressed his use of the iMac for comparison. There isn't a comparable PC product to the iMac on the market that I am aware of. He used it as his "Oh please" machine; he issued the challenge to put the specs up; he should try to find a PC that is INSIDE a LCD panel.
To further clarify what I'm saying; an computer tower combined with a 20" LCD is NOT a direct comparison with an iMac. A laptop is closure in comparison, but it is still vastly different than the iMac.
If anyone can find a PC product that compares to the iMac I would be very interested in that product and that company.
If you are talking about my line that Apple hardware when compared to similar specifications is cheaper then you should have looked at a Mac Pro, Mini, MacBook, or MacBook Pro for your comparisons.
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# Dell Precision 490
Date 9/27/2007 8:19:47 AM Central Standard Time
Processor: Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 (2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333)
2nd Processor: Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333
Operating System: Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media
Graphic Cards: 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 3450, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA
Memory: 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices: 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
Hard Drive Configuration: C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration
Boot Hard Drive: 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™
Monitors: Dell 20 inch E2007FP Widescreen Flat Panel, Analog
Sound Card and 1394: Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic (D), w/Dolby® Digital 5.1
Keyboard: USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Mouse: Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: No Floppy Drive
Speakers:No Speaker option
SERVICES & SUPPORT PLANS: 3 Year Limited Warranty plus 3 Year NBD On-Site Service
Purchase is not intended for resale.
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$2,499.00
Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon processors
4MB shared L2 cache per processor
1.33GHz, 64-bit dual independent frontside buses
1GB (two 512MB) of 667MHz DDR2 ECC fully buffered DIMM
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT with 256MB of GDDR2 SDRAM (single-link DVI / dual-link DVI)
250GB Serial ATA (3Gb/s); 7200 rpm; 8MB cache
8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Three open full-length expansion slots with mechanical support for 16-lane cards; 300W combined maximum for all PCI Express slots
Two FireWire 800 ports (one on front panel, one on back panel)
Two FireWire 400 ports (one on front panel, one on back panel)
Five USB 2.0 ports (two on front panel, three on back panel)
Two USB 1.1 ports on included keyboard
Built-in dual 10/100/1000BASE-T (Gigabit) Ethernet ports
Front-panel headphone minijack and speaker
Optical digital audio input and output TOSLINK ports
Analog stereo line-level input and output minijacks
Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse
DVI to VGA Adapter
USB Keyboard Extension Cable
Add $600 to the Mac Pro for a 20" LCD like the Dell and you get $3,099 for the Mac vs $3,317 for the Dell and I missed the dual nic's for the Mac when trying to match the Dell. You do get a twice as fast DVD burner for that extra $200
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Oh, and one more thing that I forgot. If you're trying to compare Mac's to gamer rigs (XPS machines were Dell's version of gaming rigs before they bought Alienware); it isn't worth the time because a Mac is not designed for gaming and gaming rigs are not the same as workstations or budget machines. They are all very different types of computers.
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because you will pay just a little more for a Mac
Come on now. 
Go ahead and configure a machine at Apple, post the specs/price here, and I'll see what I can do at a PC manufacturer.
Dude relax.....
Sorry to tell you, and I am a PC guy, but when it comes to video editing and such, you can do it just as well or better on a less powerful Mac, it;s the proprietary hardware setup that makes it work well for those things.
Were as for video you may need a 3Ghz+ 2-4GB RAM PC, you can do the same on a 1.5Ghz Mac with 1Gb RAM. That is why it's difficult to compare prices on setup.
Yes the same specs between a Mac and a PC will always have the MAC cost way more, but like football, stats only tell half the story.
I don't even like Macs or own one, and for myself, if I prefer to pay for the powerful PC than buy the Mac, but if someone asks me when they are trying to decide PC vs Mac, I tell them like it is, without injecting my own preferences unless they ask what I would do.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I don't even like Macs or own one, and for myself, if I prefer to pay for the powerful PC than buy the Mac, but if someone asks me when they are trying to decide PC vs Mac, I tell them like it is, without injecting my own preferences unless they ask what I would do.
That's exactly what I try to do also (unless we're talking about Vista  ). I don't have any allegiances to PC or Mac, I don't care what choice a person finally makes, I only try to provide as much relevant information as possible without being over informative in the process.
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Go to Dell.com and step through the configurator for the XPS 410.
I just configured a Quad-Core 2.4GHz system with 2GB ram, dual-layer DVD burner and a MUCH better video card for the same amount.... with a 20" LCD screen.
I felt 'froggy', so I beefed it up with a 128MB Aegia PhysX card and bumped the drive to 500GB.
I am not a Mac guy, but I can appreciate the design considerations that they go through when putting together machines.
When I responded to aldamon I specifically addressed his use of the iMac for comparison. There isn't a comparable PC product to the iMac on the market that I am aware of. He used it as his "Oh please" machine; he issued the challenge to put the specs up; he should try to find a PC that is INSIDE a LCD panel.
To further clarify what I'm saying; an computer tower combined with a 20" LCD is NOT a direct comparison with an iMac. A laptop is closure in comparison, but it is still vastly different than the iMac.
If anyone can find a PC product that compares to the iMac I would be very interested in that product and that company.
If you are talking about my line that Apple hardware when compared to similar specifications is cheaper then you should have looked at a Mac Pro, Mini, MacBook, or MacBook Pro for your comparisons.
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Date 9/27/2007 8:19:47 AM Central Standard Time
Processor: Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 (2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333)
2nd Processor: Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333
Operating System: Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media
Graphic Cards: 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 3450, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA
Memory: 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices: 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
Hard Drive Configuration: C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration
Boot Hard Drive: 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™
Monitors: Dell 20 inch E2007FP Widescreen Flat Panel, Analog
Sound Card and 1394: Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic (D), w/Dolby® Digital 5.1
Keyboard: USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Mouse: Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options: No Floppy Drive
Speakers:No Speaker option
SERVICES & SUPPORT PLANS: 3 Year Limited Warranty plus 3 Year NBD On-Site Service
Purchase is not intended for resale.
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$2,499.00
Two 2.66GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon processors
4MB shared L2 cache per processor
1.33GHz, 64-bit dual independent frontside buses
1GB (two 512MB) of 667MHz DDR2 ECC fully buffered DIMM
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT with 256MB of GDDR2 SDRAM (single-link DVI / dual-link DVI)
250GB Serial ATA (3Gb/s); 7200 rpm; 8MB cache
8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Three open full-length expansion slots with mechanical support for 16-lane cards; 300W combined maximum for all PCI Express slots
Two FireWire 800 ports (one on front panel, one on back panel)
Two FireWire 400 ports (one on front panel, one on back panel)
Five USB 2.0 ports (two on front panel, three on back panel)
Two USB 1.1 ports on included keyboard
Built-in dual 10/100/1000BASE-T (Gigabit) Ethernet ports
Front-panel headphone minijack and speaker
Optical digital audio input and output TOSLINK ports
Analog stereo line-level input and output minijacks
Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse
DVI to VGA Adapter
USB Keyboard Extension Cable
Add $600 to the Mac Pro for a 20" LCD like the Dell and you get $3,099 for the Mac vs $3,317 for the Dell and I missed the dual nic's for the Mac when trying to match the Dell. You do get a twice as fast DVD burner for that extra $200
Very true...I checked out the price of the MacBooks vs. other notebook PC's and the prices are very competitive if not the MacBook having the edge.
Although with Desktops it's not even close...I just built one on the HP website for half the price of the Mac Pro. But I do believe because of OS X the Mac is still a more efficient machine?? I don't know.
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The Dell you listed has a Quadro video card in it, which are historically overpriced but necessary for some professional apps. Compare that to the lovely $50 7300 GT in the Mac Pro. The Dell you listed also has an X-Fi sound card and a 3-year warranty compared to onboard sound and a 1-year warranty on the Mac Pro. Nice try mbrink. I appreciate the effort though.
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Those were the only options that were comparable to the Mac Pro. There wasn't another lower cost option for a video card and there wasn't onboard sound for the Dell so I picked the cheapest option. So, nice try on your part to discount those differences without actually having to think about why the differences were there.
On the warranty - Applecare for the three year coverage is an additional $249 (covers the computer and LCD) which puts the price at a wash and I'll still say that the Mac is a better value.
Have you found a PC product that compares to the iMac yet?
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Those were the only options that were comparable to the Mac Pro.
Only for someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
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Have you found a PC product that compares to the iMac yet?
We're not talking form and function. Those are issues I have already conceded as reasons why people would prefer a Mac. We're talking about price/performance. If someone wants their computer to look like a monitor, then they should buy a Mac. That person wouldn't base that decision on price though.
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Only for someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
Well Mr. Expert... Where's your comparable specs. You issued the challenge; bring it.
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Mac or PC? Coke or Pepsi? Ford or Chevy? Couch or Holcombe? Phoebe or Rachel? Pro life or pro abortion? Christianity or Judaism? Liberal or conservative? Another polarizing question where each side thinks they're right and there isn't a chance in hell of either changing to the other side....although it will be argued ad nauseum. My kind of topic!
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When I responded to aldamon I specifically addressed his use of the iMac for comparison. There isn't a comparable PC product to the iMac on the market that I am aware of. He used it as his "Oh please" machine; he issued the challenge to put the specs up; he should try to find a PC that is INSIDE a LCD panel.
To further clarify what I'm saying; an computer tower combined with a 20" LCD is NOT a direct comparison with an iMac. A laptop is closure in comparison, but it is still vastly different than the iMac.
If anyone can find a PC product that compares to the iMac I would be very interested in that product and that company.
are you seriously using the case that something is stuffed into as a comparison point?
The one thing that has absolutely no bearing on how the machine performs its assigned tasks is what you want to base your comparison on??
Man, I got a bunch of shiny objects I'd like to sell you... they all do nothing special at all (if anything), but they look great doing it
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are you seriously using the case that something is stuffed into as a comparison point?
Actually, when the case in question is made of aluminum it acts as a large heat sink and does provide a function along with the form. Additionally, the size and low profile of the case of the iMac design does significantly impact the cost of the components inside of it so it HAS to be considered when looking at the iMac.
Did you just skip the part about a justified comparison would be the Mac Pro, Mini, MacBook, or MacBook Pro? Those machines, while still have the "Apple Design" considerations are actually comparable to PC products. The iMac is a unique product that has a cost associated with the design BECAUSE of the design.
Personally, I believe the iMac is an incredibly well designed machine. And it is a testament to the creativity in design that Apple continues to display. I appreciate the engineering challenges that such a design dictates and my hat is off to those engineers that were able to put together a quality machine within a somewhat decent price point. It was not an easy task, especially when they first did it.
Should I take offense that the person the created this site has taken such a condescending tone in a Mac vs PC flameware that certainly wasn't shown to him prior to this?
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Well Mr. Expert... Where's your comparable specs. You issued the challenge; bring it.
I can't drop down the Dell to a 7300 GT. The video card is a major expense that can't be glossed over. It's simply not fair to bump up the Dell with a $700 quadro just to match the "256MB" of memory on the Apple's 7300 GT. The 7300 GT is junk video card for a workstation and can't use that kind of frame buffer. The weakest card Dell offers is a 128MB, low-end Quadro. It compares fine with the $50 7300 GT.
You're also still ignoring the X-Fi upgrade. Let's get rid of that too on the fair quote.
The Precision 490 also comes with a free 19" LCD right now. Did you add that to your quote? I don't know about you, but I'd like to have two monitors, even if they're different sizes.
Hmm, let's see then. I think the Apple is $200 more expensive and only comes with 1 monitor instead of 2. The monitor is $100 - $150. Isn't that a $300-$350 difference? That's quite a swing from your flawed first comparison post where the Dell was supposedly more expensive for less.
We could talk about coupons and employee discounts too if you want to have some fun. Who pays full price for a Dell? I don't see a coupon section at Apple. Did they forget to add it to the site? Don't people like coupons? I like discounts.
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Dell Precision 490
SYSTEM COMPONENTS
Dell Precision 490 Qty 1
Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 (2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333), Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media Unit Price $3,196.00
Save $50 on select Dell Precision™ 490 through the Dell Small Business
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Processor Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 (2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333)
Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media
2nd Processor Dual Core Intel® Xeon® Processor 5150 2.66GHz, 4MB L2,1333
Memory 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
Keyboard USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Monitors Free 19 inch E198WFP Flat Panel
Graphic Cards 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro NVS 285, Dual DVI or Dual VGA Capable
Boot Hard Drive 250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™
Hard Drive Configuration C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total configuration
Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options No Floppy Drive
Mouse Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
Sound Card and 1394 No 1394aCard or Sound Blaster Audigy™ 2(D) Card selected
Speakers No Speaker option
Resource CD No Resource CD
SERVICES & SUPPORT PLANS 3 Year Limited Warranty plus 3 Year NBD On-Site Service
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2nd Monitor Dell 20 inch E2007FP Widescreen Flat Panel, Analog
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* NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB (single-link DVI/dual-link DVI)
* Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel)
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You're also still ignoring the X-Fi upgrade. Let's get rid of that too on the fair quote.
I didn't ignore it, the Dell doesn't have onboard sound. I chose the cheapest sound card to match functionality. Don't you think that if one machine has sound the other should also?
On the video card, yes you can get a cheaper one that actually will impact the system performance, as is the case with the card you selected. You also did not address the dual nic (I missed it also).
You also decided to go with the configuration that includes an inferior LCD display to that from Apple. Of course, a $150 LCD panel from Dell is just as good as the $600 one from Apple. How incompetent of me.
Did you just want to make sure you had the lowest price? Oh, that's right, you know what you're doing; you don't need to match the functionality, you just need to beat the price.
On the coupons - and your point is what? I can buy from Dell at a very significant discount from what is available through the web site, even with coupons. The average user can't. Also, the average user doesn't hunt all over the net looking for the latest Dell coupons.
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Here's my biggest question...
Does OS X run more efficient and faster on weaker hardware than Vista does on more powerful hardware?
That shouldn't be ignored, after all, you can't run OS X on a PC (although if Apple would allow it, I guarantee they'd quickly gain a significant share of the marketplace, if not the majority).
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Wait for Leopard.
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Does OS X run more efficient and faster on weaker hardware than Vista does on more powerful hardware?
Wait for Leopard.
Ideally I'll wait for Leopard's successor, but my computer's starting to chug a bit.
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Does OS X run more efficient and faster on weaker hardware than Vista does on more powerful hardware?
There isn't a simple yes or no answer for this. Each operating system has its strengths and each has its weaknesses. It really depends on what you are using the computer for.
Here are some links to sites that provide some comparisons that are thorough and fair:
http://www.xvsxp.com/
http://www.systemshootouts.org/index.html
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Ideally I'll wait for Leopard's successor, but my computer's starting to chug a bit.
As I believe someone else already recommended, the cheapest and easiest thing to do now is to upgrade the RAM in your current computer. A two year old computer shouldn't need to be replaced for general usage.
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Should I take offense that the person the created this site has taken such a condescending tone in a Mac vs PC flameware that certainly wasn't shown to him prior to this?
I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with anything at all, but please feel free to get as offended as you want at anything you want, it's a free country and I don't care.... just stay within the rules of the site.
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Actually, when the case in question is made of aluminum it acts as a large heat sink and does provide a function along with the form. Additionally, the size and low profile of the case of the iMac design does significantly impact the cost of the components inside of it so it HAS to be considered when looking at the iMac.
You're right, and even if it wasn't aluminum it would still act as a heat sink, they have no choice in that... the cramped space dictates they cannot use any processor with a high thermal envelope. They cannot use any video card with any real power, or pretty much any component that requires lots of active cooling. You pretty much have announced that you are paying a buttload for a machine that can never really be more than a glorified email/web surfing station... or at best, it is a laptop shoved into a more vertical form factor.
Noone has said that it isn't well designed, we're talking about getting a comparable machine at a comparable price point.... and in that regard, the shape of the case is not something that matters....even IF the engineers are forced to have it act as a heat sink because the marketing types want something stylish that cramps the hell outta the components inside. No engineer looks with an eye toward *intentionally* cramming components into the smallest possible space.... that's all designers and marketing. Making good with a handicap that is forced on them is hardly a plus to consider when buying, much less one that equates to an increase in cost.
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The iMac is a unique product that has a cost associated with the design BECAUSE of the design.
Translation: I'm happy paying more for a brand name and pretty case.
if you really believe there is more to the hardware than that, then I would say you're pretty gullible.
Hey, you're happy with your mac... that's great and more power too ya, but don't try to make them out to be more than they are. They are just PC's running a different OS, made by a company that, much like Acer or Compaq or HP or old, requires proprietary components... and ALL of those components are in turn made by the exact same small group of companies that OEM all of the 'PC' hardware. However, it is that proprietary requirement that will always keep them more expensive.
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Hey, you're happy with your mac
I never said I have a mac, and I don't own one. But, my stating that I'm not a mac guy earlier didn't stop you from assuming it. I also never said that I would even buy an iMac at the price they are selling them for. I feel similar to aldamon that the iMac is more of a status symbol, but I also appreciate the aesthetics and engineering in an obviously different way.
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I didn't ignore it, the Dell doesn't have onboard sound. I chose the cheapest sound card to match functionality. Don't you think that if one machine has sound the other should also?
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On the video card, yes you can get a cheaper one that actually will impact the system performance, as is the case with the card you selected.
Wrong. Period. You said earlier a 7300 GT is fine for OS X. The Quadro I selected is fine for Windows XP.
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You also did not address the dual nic (I missed it also).
It takes $10 and 5 minutes to add a second NIC to a system. Congrats. Now what are you going to do with it?
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You also decided to go with the configuration that includes an inferior LCD display to that from Apple. Of course, a $150 LCD panel from Dell is just as good as the $600 one from Apple. How incompetent of me.
What are you talking about? I configured the same monitor as you did! The 19" is the FREE monitor. The 20" is further down the quote. Do you get it now? DUAL MONITOR SETUP. Now go add a 19" second monitor to your Apple quote and get back to me.
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Did you just want to make sure you had the lowest price? Oh, that's right, you know what you're doing; you don't need to match the functionality, you just need to beat the price.
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On the coupons - and your point is what? I can buy from Dell at a very significant discount from what is available through the web site, even with coupons. The average user can't. Also, the average user doesn't hunt all over the net looking for the latest Dell coupons.
OK. Thanks. Average users use sites like Fatwallet and Slickdeals and the hundreds of other coupon sites every day. Fact is Apple doesn't give you the option of using coupons.
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You're right, I did miss that, so let me rephrase... "Hey, you're happy buying into their marketing..." better?
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Wrong. Period. You said earlier a 7300 GT is fine for OS X. The Quadro I selected is fine for Windows XP.
The video card you chose isn't even available on the Dell PrecisionTM Workstation 490 Advanced Productivity Bundle that I used, I chose the cheapest video card available for that bundle. Of course, as I stated before, I was looking for the best match in hardware, not the cheaper machine like you used.
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What are you talking about? I configured the same monitor as you did! The 19" is the FREE monitor. The 20" is further down the quote. Do you get it now? DUAL MONITOR SETUP. No go add a 19" second monitor to your Apple quote and get back to me.
Check again, the bundle I used came with the 20" widescreen, not the 19". Like hardware vs. like hardware
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You're right, we are.
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Check again, the bundle I used came with the 20" widescreen, not the 19". Like hardware vs. like hardware
Are you blind? Seriously.
Monitors Free 19 inch E198WFP Flat Panel
2nd Monitor Dell 20 inch E2007FP Widescreen Flat Panel, Analog
I'll say it for a third time: My quote has TWO MONITORS IN IT.
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"Hey, you're happy buying into their marketing..."
Yeah, because their marketing focuses on the engineering skill involved, right.
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Monitors: Dell 20 inch E2007FP Widescreen Flat Panel, Analog
Here, I quoted out of Ammo's quote of my original post. It's right there for you to see.
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Monitors: Dell 20 inch E2007FP Widescreen Flat Panel, Analog
Here, I quoted out of Ammo's quote of my original post. It's right there for you to see.
Monitors Free 19 inch E198WFP Flat Panel
2nd Monitor Dell 20 inch E2007FP Widescreen Flat Panel, Analog
I'll say it for a 4th time: My quote has TWO MONITORS IN IT.
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This thread is hysterical to watch....  And, in the end, I would never base a computer purchase decision on anything said on this message board. Too many Microsoft fan boys here for my liking. That makes for biased opinions.
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This thread is hysterical to watch....
And, in the end, I would never base a computer purchase decision on anything said on this message board. Too many Microsoft fan boys here for my liking. That makes for biased opinions.
Yes, what you should do is ask yourself "What would Romeo do?" That works every time.
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If all you are seeing is Microsoft fanboy's, then I'd say you are probably a 'fanboy' on the other side of the spectrum and just as at fault as any.  If you pay attention to the thread, there are a lot of very informative & neutral posts in here that address the Pros & Cons of both sides of the aisle.
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I was aiming for like vs like; I passed over the bundle you selected because it is inferior to the Mac Pro, Period.
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I was aiming for like vs like; I passed over the bundle you selected because it is inferior to the Mac Pro, Period.
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If all you are seeing is Microsoft fanboy's, then I'd say you are probably a 'fanboy' on the other side of the spectrum and just as at fault as any.
Wrong. I have used both systems and my preference is Mac. That being said, if I could find anything near as user friendly in PC and not pre-loaded with crap I would never use, I would consider it.
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there are a lot of very informative & neutral posts in here that address the Pros & Cons of both sides of the aisle.
Yes, there are a few informative posts here, I'll give ya that. However, most of what I see is bickering about a video card and a monitor. If I were in the market for a new computer, that wouldn't help me decide.
It's like when I asked about a camera here years ago...lots of good advice, some bad, and in the end, I took none of it to heart in my decision. 
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