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I must have missed something....where is all the uproar for RAC's head. After all, he doesn't get the team ready to play, he shows no emotion, he's lost on the sidelines......did someone forget all that? 
Seriously, this is mostly to Pit, but you asked for why I think RAC can be a successful head coach. You just witnessed it yesterday. All the controversy, all the negativity, all the turmoil of the trade and backlash from the "fans" last week....yet RAC has his team motivated, inspired, and ready to play.
Winning solves everything and that win bought him more time, if we can put 2 wins in a row together then and look good vs. the Raiders then I'll be as happy as a puppy with two peters!!!!
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Merth, In your list, 3 players were picked up this year, and you listed 2 special teamers...LMAO.. .. Now that means on D - there are 8 and on O - 6 players that would not even be 2nd string on other teams in our division. I have not even spoken to the youth of this team, so it proves that we have alot of growing which will help in the consistency dept and it shows the lack of talent! But we have a lock on special teams!!!..HAHAHA
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Pit, I was wondering where you were? I know that picket line for removing RAC must be tiring  . You want steady progress/consistency from a team that in very young, has a streaky QB, an offensive line just learning one another! Well you might get it this year but I bet this will be another rollercoaster ride. Yes, we will have days like yesterday and days like the Pit game because of our youth. But like article I stated above, RAC is the calming influence on a young team. Quote:
Coach,we gave up 34 points and 41 points respectively. If you think this team will show any signs of life that way? I think you need to learn from history yet again.
Well maybe you should start the Grantham must go thread since he is the D-Coordinator! His D has given up 79 points in 2 games, maybe he should jump around less and call better coverages!! Or maybe Opie should address the Defense sometime soon!!!
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Just cause we're not on his bandwagon doesn't mean we don't want him to succeed.
Perhaps no one else could get more out of the talent that Savage has currently provided, but somehow I just don't believe that.
Fox, Coughlin, Parcells, Schottenheimer, Cowher, Belichick, Tressel, Stoops, Carroll, the list could go on forever -- all better HC's than the Browns now have.
Not a RAC hater here, just hoping he gets it turned around and makes me a fool -- don't care, just want the wins.
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RAC is playing for his job. Sure we put up 51 points and won the game, but our defense has not improved on bit and our head coach is supposed to be a defensive genious, so how does a genious let a team score 45 points.
Maybe you should ask Grantham that also!! And Opie might want to answer that also since he has not addressed the needs of the Defense in awhile. I mean its like the D-coordinator was not at the game, and its funny, the media did not want to show him alot this week, all that hoping around and hollering - but calling BAD coverages!!
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P-Dawg had a similar thread this morning....can't seem to find it.
I will answer you as I answered him.
This game only strengthens what was said last week.
It is evident Romeo made a horrible call in going with Charlie as the starter.
It shouldn't take a humiliating loss to get the troops fired up..
And the D sucked..his specialty I might add.
It shouldn't take a turnover with 20 something seconds remaining to seal the deal after you just banked 51 points.
But as long as we win and remain competitive in the losses we might suffer, my mind is open.
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You want steady progress/consistency from a team that in very young, has a streaky QB, an offensive line just learning one another! Well you might get it this year but I bet this will be another rollercoaster ride. Yes, we will have days like yesterday and days like the Pit game because of our youth. But like article I stated above, RAC is the calming influence on a young team.
Surely you jest?
After two years and going into the third,the excuse train has been parked at the station. You play what you got,you coach what you got. Youth is to be "groomed". To "get progressivly better". Not used as an excuse for a dismal season. IF he can coach,we will get prgressively better. If not,we'll see more games like the Steelers game. You can't "make excuses" for having a team show up one week,and look like somebody else the next. That just won't wash in YEAR THREE.
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Well maybe you should start the Grantham must go thread since he is the D-Coordinator! His D has given up 79 points in 2 games, maybe he should jump around less and call better coverages!! Or maybe Opie should address the Defense sometime soon!!!
So give RAC the credit for "coaching" accept on the side of the ball we're failing on?
Sorry,but RACS "claim to fame" was as a DC. If he should be held accountable "more so" for anything,it should be the D side of the ball.
That's his "specialty", remember?
Nah,just let him stick with Granthom like he did Mo.
And DA will score 35+ every week and make RAC look like a genious,right?
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Please allow me to pick on you just a little here Pit,, I wanna throw something past you that is completely off the wall,, Be honest here will ya,, Let's pretend that Romeo was coaching The Cuyahoga Community College All Stars Jurnior College football team but by some quirk of fate, he found the Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens and the Cincinnati Bengals were the only opponents on his schedule. How many games do you think out of those three would you suspect his team would win? Ok,, Fast forward back to the land we call Reality!  Romeo is the new Head coach of the Hapless Cleveland Browns.. a team with a HUGE dearth of talent.. In fact thier best player is on the disabled list. (KW2) and you have another one that can't get off the DL (Brown) and another one that is a bust (warren), THen it goes down hill from there. (PS, if you are going to try to tell me that the talent level was better than now, you will get laughed off this board in 30 seconds flat) You have the same teams on your list of opponents... That's year ONE.. Year TWO, you have been given some more talent, but still NO where what is needed to compete with the elite teams... Year THREE,, Your are given even more talent and things on paper are looking up. But still, you open up with a whopper of a flop....and your team comes back the following week and gets into a shoot out with a good team and lord O mighty,WINS. Should you be judged by what happens now that you have a decent team, or should all your struggles with less that average teams be weighted more heavily? Pit, You are the GM,,, you are the one that knows better than almost anyone else that you haven't provided the best talent and you also know that there was no way you could have in that short a period of time,,, A. Do you fire RAC because of the W/L Record overall B. Support RAC and Keep working to get him the talent he needs next season Remember,,, you are THE MAN now,, you must decide.. What's it gonna be.
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Toad, Frye looked much improved in the pre-season. He was reading defenses, hanging in the pocket, checking down, and calling audibles into the right plays against the D. He looked light years ahead in these areas than he's ever been. So, I can see why they chose him as the starter. It didn't transfer onto the field, but it was happening in pre-season and gave reason for optimism.
From hearing what Mary Kay has been saying the plan was for Anderson to win the job from day one. He is the better fit for Chud's offense. They felt confident that he would beat Charlie out.
If that is the case than why even have a competition? Why Savage just trade Frye before camp and bring in a vet to compete? If they knew he wasn't really the right guy why go through this whole debacle?
It is appearent to me that no matter how well Frye played he is not the kind of QB that can have success in this system. The fact that Anderson was not able to beat him out in a system that plays to his strengths is troubling. Anderson did do a vert good job this week aftera pretty bad outting last week. What is he gonna look like next week? I don't think anyone has a clue.
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P-Dawg had a similar thread this morning....can't seem to find it.
I actually posted it late last night in the game day forum since it is a weekly discussion.  I only posted it as a joke because that is what this all is. Every week we rehash should he be fired, should he stay. Kinda like arguing over Anderson and Frye when we all know the answer is Quinn.
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The fact that Anderson was not able to beat him out in a system that plays to his strengths is troubling.
The question is, in who's mind??
In Romeo's???...
You don't go from last weeks starter to this weeks starter without a few clues being shown in practice.
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The fact that Anderson was not able to beat him out in a system that plays to his strengths is troubling.
The question is, in who's mind??
In Romeo's???...
You don't go from last weeks starter to this weeks starter without a few clues being shown in practice.
What practice? He was named the starter after all of training camp. Anderson did not perform well enough to beat out a guy who is an awful fit for the type of offense we are trying to run. Romeo is the coach and the blame should fall on him. The reports up here in the media were that it was Anderson's job to lose. and he lost. What sense does it make to have a QB competition between a QB who will never be able to run your offense and a guy who throws as wildly as Anderson? The fact is we should have had another strong armed QB in here to compete with Anderson and not had Frye start knowing he was doomed to fail.
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What practice? He was named the starter after all of training camp.
P...that is practice....and my point.
Anderson should have started game one, and that is ever claer at this point.
Romeo blew the call.
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Based on what, Peen? Every report said that in practice Frye looked better than DA. Every preseason game, Frye looked better than DA. Hindsight is 20/20 and that's how you are viewing this, not with what actually happened, but what has happened in the 2 games since the decision was made. Sorry, but the only thing that is "ever clearer" is that you aren't using what was actually going on and looking back and rewriting it.
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wanna throw something past you that is completely off the wall,, Be honest here will ya,,
Okay,but people don't usually like it when I'm "100% honest" and don't pull any punches,but if you insist!
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Let's pretend that Romeo was coaching The Cuyahoga Community College All Stars Jurnior College football team but by some quirk of fate, he found the Pittsburgh Steelers, Baltimore Ravens and the Cincinnati Bengals were the only opponents on his schedule.
Well in and of itself this poses a quandry. Are you trying to compare our talent to a small time Jr. College?
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How many games do you think out of those three would you suspect his team would win?
Since this analogy is a complete impossibility and makes NO sense,I'll answer things slightly more plausible if you don't mind. The very basis of this line of questioning is flawed at best.
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Ok,, Fast forward back to the land we call Reality!
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Romeo is the new Head coach of the Hapless Cleveland Browns.. a team with a HUGE dearth of talent.. In fact thier best player is on the disabled list. (KW2) and you have another one that can't get off the DL (Brown) and another one that is a bust (warren), THen it goes down hill from there. (PS, if you are going to try to tell me that the talent level was better than now, you will get laughed off this board in 30 seconds flat)
Exactly. And we won six games with Butches "leftovers" that didn't even fit the scheme they were putting on the field on D or O. That is if you actually claim Mo was "trying" to put an O on the field.
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You have the same teams on your list of opponents... That's year ONE..
Once again,the Jr. College thing is out the window here. Unless you think a Jr. College can win 6 NFL games?
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Year TWO, you have been given some more talent, but still NO where what is needed to compete with the elite teams...
So you're saying we got "more talent" but we went backwards? I'd have to agree with that. And RAC stuck with Mo, Hell,we were calling his plays about 8 out of 10 sitting in the bar. I'm sure NFL DC's weren't having any problems.
If you want honesty it's about time people admit that RAC sticking with Mo was a HUGE part of the problem in year two. It set us back a year on the O side of the ball. I mean if we're really looking at "honesty" here.
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Year THREE,, Your are given even more talent and things on paper are looking up. But still, you open up with a whopper of a flop....and your team comes back the following week and gets into a shoot out with a good team and lord O mighty,WINS.
Should you be judged by what happens now that you have a decent team, or should all your struggles with less that average teams be weighted more heavily?
Each game and each decision a head coach makes should be judged on its own merrit. I gave RAC a free pass on year 1. He screwed the pooch in year two by sticking with Mo. In hindsight,that is pretty obvious. So no,I don't give him a "free pass" on year two. A better coached O would have made a difference in a couple of W's IMO
So no,you don't give a coach a "free pass". There were too many games where our team rolled over and played dead. They lacked preparidness and passion on the field more times than not. Last year was a case of "too much Mo" and a total lack of any sign of intensity in most games from my standpoint.
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Pit, You are the GM,,, you are the one that knows better than almost anyone else that you haven't provided the best talent and you also know that there was no way you could have in that short a period of time,,,
I would also know he had more talent in year two than year one,but stuck with MO,retarded my O by a year. I would also know that even though I gave him MORE talent in year two,we won two fewer games. At some point I have to expect accountability or I will make the EXACT same mistake my head coach did with MO.(sticking with a guy who couldn't do the job too long) Costing this franchise and myself even more in the long run.
You ARE glad the Mo experiment came to an end right? Oh that's right,we're supposed to wait untill they're shown the door to figure it out. I keep forgetting that part. BTW- If you would,please answer honestly to that.
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A. Do you fire RAC because of the W/L Record overall
I fire him IF he "doesn't show steady progress". If he "doesn't attain consistancy". He has enough talent in place now to be competative. I'm not sticking my career on the line for a guy who keeps getting more talent,but can't consistantly put a competative team on the field with the BETTER talent he has. You think I'm gonna kick my career in the crapper that way?
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B. Support RAC and Keep working to get him the talent he needs next season
Remember,,, you are THE MAN now,, you must decide.. What's it gonna be.
Publicly? I'm going to support him.
In reality? He's NOT "my guy". I have no layalties to RAC. I didn't hire him,I inherrited him. I've seen LOTS of signs indicating he's "not the guy" for this job. So I'm going to be looking over his shoulder and monitor his every move with a fine toothed comb.
I watched him be stubborn and stick with Mo that cost my O a year in the crapper. I saw him stick with Charlie when Charlie didn't fit the scheme. In the mean time,it made me look like a fool in the process.
I see him being a "detriment" to my career and possible legacy. I keep giving him MORE talent,and I better damned well get better results on the field WITH that "better talent". I'm not going to let some guy I inherrited trash MY career while I AM bringing the talent in where you SHOULD be able to see quite a bit of progress before now.
No,it's a results orientated world. If I don't see steady progress from our team on the field and a competative team on the field week in and week out,I'm not sticking with RAC.
There IS enough talent on this team to be competative week in and week out. As a professional,I can't wear my heart on my sleeve. My career is at stake here too. I'm not running a damned charity or "the experiment decade" in Cleveland. I came here to WIN! And by God if he can't make that happen,I'll bring somebody in here that will.
Because my ass is on the line too. And I'm not going to sit idley by supporting a guy who makes me look like a fool. My family,employer and the Cleveland Browns come first.
There's your honesty!
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First off, remind me to never ask for honesty from you again Seriously, the point I was trying to make and I clearly went way too far out there (I did try to warn you) is this, we didn't have good talent on this team when he got here.. There just wasn't much to work with and considering we were switching to the 3-4, some of the talent on D no longer fit the plan.. Now you can't begin to tell me that you actually think that it's ok to judge a guy, any guy on a talentless team... OK everyone, watch as Pit tells me that the team wasn't talentless!
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Keep in mind , your ass grows a bigger target on it when you fire RAC and replace him with your guy. You will not get a transistion year because you are breaking up any continuity we may have.
Also, are you going to tell your new guy he has to keep Chud ?
If you are this might limit your ability to get YOUR guy.
I really think Savage has to let this one play out.
RAC gets one more year after this one, unless he loses the team, then if we don't see major movement in the wins we move on.
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First off, remind me to never ask for honesty from you again
NEVER ask me for honesty again!
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we didn't have good talent on this team when he got here.. There just wasn't much to work with and considering we were switching to the 3-4, some of the talent on D no longer fit the plan..
I agree with you. But even though the talent DIDN'T fit the scheme,that team won six games.
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Now you can't begin to tell me that you actually think that it's ok to judge a guy, any guy on a talentless team...
Do you not judge a guy for making "the most of what he DOES have"? It's not about "W's vs L's" as much as it's purely about being prepared and making the most out of what you do have.
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OK everyone, watch as Pit tells me that the team wasn't talentless!
I'm watching you sit here and tell me how year two we had more talent than year one and still won fewer games.
I'm watching you try to ignore the fact that RAC stuck with Mo too long and advocating Phil do the exact same thing with RAC.
Yes,you can judge a coach on many things besides W's and L's. Like how he schemes to utilize the strong suits he has and avoid the weaknesses. How prepared and intense is the team on the field? Are they playing hard every down in every quarter? Are the proper half time adjustments being made?
And let's try this again................................
Are you glad Mo is gone? Maybe we shouldn't have judged Mo because he didn't have the right talent? Was it fair to judge Mo without having a good O to work with?
And lastly..............................Are you glad we moved on and got rid of Mo? Or do you think we should have given him more time with better talent first?
Now I answerred your post,could you please answer mine?
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You will not get a transistion year because you are breaking up any continuity we may have.
Our OC is brand new here and our D gave up over 40 points. What continuity?
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Also, are you going to tell your new guy he has to keep Chud ?
If you are this might limit your ability to get YOUR guy.
Chud and Marty worked together fine. I see no problem in them doing so again.
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I really think Savage has to let this one play out.
RAC gets one more year after this one, unless he loses the team, then if we don't see major movement in the wins we move on.
More years like Mo got? Once you figure out a guy isn't going to be able to do the job,you cut your losses. Or do you think we should have kept Mo too?
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Maybe we should.... but we also have already saw how RAC would handle a problem with one of his coordinators with the Carthon debacle. Maybe RAC should start taking more of an active role in the defense
I agree with this whole heartedly... and I would HOPE that after giving up that many yards to the Bengals that he would take more of a role with our defense... let Chud deal with the offense and fix the D RAC
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Coach are you referring to the RAC that was supposed to be a defensive genius??
I sure as hell didnt see him yesterday. People calling for RAC's head after last week was based on the cumulative results they have seen. The win yesterday doesnt change a thing for most of us.
Isn't that Marvin Lewis' forte?
Seems to be Cincy's achilles heel year after year.
I for one have no desire for a coaching change.
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You will not get a transistion year because you are breaking up any continuity we may have.
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Also, are you going to tell your new guy he has to keep Chud ?
If you are this might limit your ability to get YOUR guy.
Chud and Marty worked together fine. I see no problem in them doing so again.
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I really think Savage has to let this one play out.
RAC gets one more year after this one, unless he loses the team, then if we don't see major movement in the wins we move on.
More years like Mo got? Once you figure out a guy isn't going to be able to do the job,you cut your losses. Or do you think we should have kept Mo too?
The players seem to like RAC , so inspite of you not liking him, there would be some continuity.
Your argument becomes clearer now that you have stated what retread you like.
So you are happy with almost getting to the superbowl, only to be heartbroken when it all washes out ?
More years like Mo ? LMAO
Mo got one more year, the same as what I think RAC will get.
Changing a OC really isn't comparable to changing HCs
When you change HCs your entire system changes.
Are you ready to go through two more years of losing while the new guy intalls his prefrences.
With RAC nothing changes and we continue growing.
Inspite of what you believe, we haven't completed the talent turnover, yes the talent is better, but we aren't even middle tier let alone top tier.
You seem to be the one that figured out RAC isn't going to work out, problem is Savage doesn't share your opinion right now.
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You seem to be the one that figured out RAC isn't going to work out, problem is Savage doesn't share your opinion right now.
Not to but in, well thats a lie, how do you know what Savage is thinking? I'll answer that, you don't so making statements such as you did don't bold well, we can all only speculate.
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Where are the fire Romeo threads? Well...I thought about starting one...but then I flipped a coin....and it was tails....so I didnt start it. HACK
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More years like Mo ? LMAO
Mo got one more year, the same as what I think RAC will get.
Mo got one entire season and half of another one. This will be RAC's third and you're proposing giveing him a fourth? Why should he get over twice as much time as Mo did? He either does well in year three,or pack his bags. By the end of this year,he will have had TWICE as long as Mo did as it is. That's quite enough to see if he "has what it takes" or not. Why in the hell would Phil put his ass on the line to support a coach who's failing miserably and risk throwing his career down the crapper in the process? Phil's smarter than that.
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When you change HCs your entire system changes.
Are you ready to go through two more years of losing while the new guy intalls his prefrences.
Not so fast Grasshopper. If we can get Marty,Chud and Marty have worked together. He's pretty much running Martys O scheme now. No real "adjustment there" will be needed. So your point is moot. It's just another Myth perpetuated that holds very little merrit. He also runs the three/four. We have the LB core already in place. It's a perfect fit for Marty "as is". Well,with Granthom giving up about 40 points a game he may be replaced. But hey,could a new guy do worse than that?
Besides,if Romeo can't coach the talent he has? You're just promoting us wasting yet another year before starting over with a new coach. And guess what? Your way just puts us yet ANOTHER year behind. How is that any "improvement"?
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Inspite of what you believe, we haven't completed the talent turnover, yes the talent is better, but we aren't even middle tier let alone top tier.
That's a pretty big leap there. What has RAC shown you that makes you think we'll continue to grow? Hell,for that matter what to this point has shown you we've "grown" at all since he's been here? In case you forgot,we went BACKWARDS last year,not forward. 6-2=4
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You seem to be the one that figured out RAC isn't going to work out, problem is Savage doesn't share your opinion right now.
You have NO CLUE what Phils opinion of RAC is accept what he's "told the media". No clue at all. Just remember,Phil didn't hire RAC in the first place. He inherrited him. He wasn't Phils first choice then,and after the way he's worked out so far,I doubt if he's Phils first choice now.
You made a lot of statements there that are in no way based in fact. Purely conjecture and guesswork on your part.
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Where are the fire Romeo threads?
Well...I thought about starting one...but then I flipped a coin....and it was tails....so I didnt start it.
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The Smack Shack is down the hall!
That's the sad part. When you HONESTLY mention what our coach DID DO,it's sounds so bad,it almost qualifies as smack.
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Your argument becomes clearer now that you have stated what retread you like.
So you are happy with almost getting to the superbowl, only to be heartbroken when it all washes out ?
I'd be much happier with 14-2 than 4-12. Marty has had two seasons below 500 in his entire coaching career. RAC has is already 2 for 2 in that department. Yes,I'd be happy with AFC Champoinship shots and playoffs annually. While you're happy with 4-12.
And you're questioning MY judgement?
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I said after last week's game that Romeo shouldn't be judged on one game ....... and I'll say the same this week.
He's probably not as bad a coach as he looked last week, nor as solid an "offensive genius" as might appear this week.
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Yeah, that was a good one. I was messing with him, but it was almost like an unintentional smack.
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Maybe you should dig a little deeper and look at the circumstances behind each season. For example the starting QB, strength of schedule etc. There has been no consistency in our roster over the past few years so how can you expect consistency in gameplay? Once the roster stabilizes we will start to see the consistency we are all looking for, especially once Quinn takes over.
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I must have missed something....where is all the uproar for RAC's head. After all, he doesn't get the team ready to play, he shows no emotion, he's lost on the sidelines......did someone forget all that?
Seriously, this is mostly to Pit, but you asked for why I think RAC can be a successful head coach. You just witnessed it yesterday. All the controversy, all the negativity, all the turmoil of the trade and backlash from the "fans" last week....yet RAC has his team motivated, inspired, and ready to play.
Coach your people skills suck!  If someone has a different opinion than you they are not a true Browns fan. I know you are not the huge azzh__e you pretend to be on here.
With the experiance I have had with people through 50 years of life, you come accross as someone who really needs a hug (but your not getting one here  )
Just because some feel that Romeo is not the answer, you all of a sudden call them out after a game that we were in all honesty lucky to win.
Personally I think we should reserve judgement untill after the season but I can also see the other side!
Bottom line quit being an old fart know it all!
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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With the experiance I have had with people through 50 years of life, you come accross as someone who really needs a hug (but your not getting one here )
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The ONLY argument you have is that he won fewer games in year two vs year one... PIT,, Stuff happens even to the best of coaches.. Look at Cowhers last year with the Steelers,,, 8-8 after winning the Superbowl.. Look at what's happened to Gibbs in Washington and Parcells in Dallas.. Look at Jimmy Johnson when he left Dallas and went to Miami,,
Stuff happens to even great coaches. But nope, you and lots of others want to look at one stat,.., we lost 2 more games in the second year. And that's the answer.
I don't believe that's the case at all. I think he can turn this ship around with the talent we NOW have.. Yet, and perhaps not so much you, some still want him fired RIGHT NOW... How moronic is that really.,.... VERY!
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Who wants him gone now? I must have missed those comments but I do agree with you as of right now he shouldn't be fired. It might happen at the end of the season, so that shouldn't shock anyone, but now it would just make us laughable.
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Hey Fletch,, My apology on the RIGHT NOW thing.. it's funny, I still have the old thread in my head and I think it was titled RAC needs fired now or something like that. In fact, many on that original thread were saying he should be fired after the Pittsburgh game.. and it should have happened right then and there... Paraphrasing there a little..
Anyway, I had that stuck in my head and I was wrong about it.. Sorry
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I missed that thread, I was just confused, and to be honest I was sort of thinking you were thinking of me when you made that statement and just felt the need to respond.
I think you can understand my feelings about that, you have questioned my being around here, and just wanted to make sure my feelings were clear.
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Stuff happens to even great coaches. But nope, you and lots of others want to look at one stat,.., we lost 2 more games in the second year. And that's the answer.
Try this on for size.
Let's totally ignore RAC's first year results - new HC, new scheme, new everything. Very reasonable to say he gets a pass on the first year record.
Second year should show real improvement -at the very least in isolated areas. To be fair, his second year he had an absolutely brutal schedule playing not only very tough teams but playing them while they each were running hot. So let's ignore the final record for the second season.
This is his third year. His scheme is in place, his players - for the most part- are in place. It's time for him to impress and win some tight games - or better yet roll over a few teams (like a very bad Oakland club we play in a few days).
I truly hate the thought of another HC change. It hurts the team and retards our progress -but - any time you get blown up 37 - 7 against a division rival in your home opener after losing all 8 division games the year before there should be some discussion about who's leading the team.
We'll learn a lot about RAC over the next two weeks as we play one of the worst teams in the NFL and one of the better teams. And then do the same the following two weeks. I hope RAC gets it done. Oakland and Miami are "must win" games as Baltimore and New England are still out of our weight class.
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U big whining baby..do U need your diaper changed?
I stopped reading after this comment, see I am a believer that when people have to resort to these type of comments, It's just telling everyone your really not sure what your talking about, and honestly It's pretty inmature, not that it matters, it's just my interpretation.
I know I am new here but just from reading your comments you seem to pout when people disagree with you.
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