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Clowney will be too expensive; he'll probably want one more big pay day

I think what a lot of people are overlooking is the way baker spreads the ball around. When he is throwing to 7-9 players a game to keep defenses guessing even aj or julio aren't going to get the killer stats they normally do. Same as some saying Landry isn't worth his contract because he didn't get more receptions or tds.
Just my opinion on the situation of course

I agree with you about not needing a big named, super high production WR like a Julio Jones or A.J. Green because of the way Baker spreads the ball around.

Where we disagree is about Landry. There was no proven veteran leadership in the WR group. No attitude among them. Nobody with proven hands. While it's just my opinion, the leadership ability, presence and proven ability mean more to this young WR group than anyone can estimate in terms of dollars. After next year, his contract is structured in such a way that once our young group has matured, letting him go will be friendly to the team.

What he's brought as the whole has meant the world to this offense.

Pit you are so right about what Landry brings,,,,

I am not overlooking how Baker spreads the ball around. Brees spreads it around too, but Thomas still gets his. Julio gets his with guys like Ridley on the team. AB had a great year with JuJu getting a lot of looks as well.

It has nothing to do with the spreading of the football. Baker is not going to force the football to a guy just to "spread the ball". If a player is open, hes going to throw him the ball. We just don't have a guy that can get open 7-10 times a game consistently. Those other teams do.

I want to see an upgrade on the dline. A tackle and another pass rusher are really needed.
I like our safetys but would look to add a couple corners. Ward's concussions concern me.
Also outside linebaker needs addressed.
On offense another wide receiver and tight end are needed.

Clowney will be franchised if he reaches free agency.

You must have somehow takin me wrong on Landry.
We don't disagree at all in fact i think he was dorseys best pickup

I too like the idea of having that dominant receiver that defenses need to scheme for. But do you realize that of the 4 Wr's that you named only one is on a team in the playoffs?

(Note: I modified will's original post to delete that which was not pertinent to my comments)

IMO, Landry has not been his best pickup (I'll get to that in a moment). Heck, you can make the argument that, when given more playing time, Perriman has been a better WR.

And I don't buy the narrative that Landry brings veteran leadership-- not saying he doesn't, I just don't know & really haven't seen it. Most people say this because (1) they watched the 60 second "How to Curse the Most 101" video on Hard Knocks or (2) view his 5 years in the league (and Pro Bowls) as auto-equating to a veteran that leads. As for Hard Knocks, remember people walking away after episodes and subsequently posting on here thinking Hue was some good coach? Yeah, I did. And for the Pro Bowl....good for Landry but I'm not sure how that equates to "veteran" leadership, outside of a "veteran" leading in votes went to the Pro Bowl.

Dorsey's best pick-up?

Draft: Baker Mayfield (clearly)
Trade: I like what Demarious Randall has done at FS more than what Landry has done at WR by a rather large margin.
Free Agency: Greg Robinson. I think an honorable mention could go to Perriman, but Robinson has done a great job replacing Joe Thomas.

Beautiful post. Spot on.

Did not know Fate was a VG HATER til I saw that like ... thought his take on the face mask play was “off” ... now it makes more sense ... *LOL* ....

All I can say to Ya’all ... I HOPE we get a lot more “OVERPAID” players like Vice Grips ...

Happy New Year to VG and his posse of naysayers ....

I hope we don't or we could be in for a long decade.

I have to level with you and everyone, Landry was worse than I thought (was hoping for). Considering he statistically had arguably his worst season with arguably the best quarterback he's had and was paid more than he's ever been paid I'm not sure how he can be anything but OVERPAID.

Yeah, I think Fate has switched to the Dark Side. That's disappointing.

So the fact the first 8 games were basically a wasteland for our entire O or the fact Bake spreads the ball out are Vice Grips fault ... got it .. ...

U also have to ignore his blocking and leadership ... say what u want .. his PASSION is CONTAGIEOUS just like Bake’s ...

IF u want to just focus on his STATS playing with Bake .. you’ll never think hes properly compensated ...

Ever consider he opened things up for others ... or dont that matter ... ...

I don't ignore his blocking and his leadership has been addressed. You want a #1 high priced WR who can catch and block, give me Mike Evans.

There's also no "dark side." There's those who realize what he is, and those who hope he's better than that.

You do realize the less he was targeted the more we won. That's pretty much how it was in Miami as well.

Look. No one is hating on him. At least im not, I'm just telling you he's overpaid. It's your opinion he's not and it's the opinion of some that we had to pay him that much to get him to sign. There's still much cheaper and just as good or better receivers.

I think most people here were expecting more than 81 catches and 976 yds or whatever he had. If you think he had a great season and we couldn't have won without him, so be it. I just don't agree.

I'd keep him. I just assume he wants to try for a starting position. If all he is getting is back-up type money, I'd tell him to keep us in mind.

To be fair if Landry didn’t bounce that one off his helmet he’d have had over a 1000 yards receiving on the season.

Yes, if Landry didn't drop those 6 passes he'd have more yards and more catches.

Wasn't talking about that play, I was talking about the nonchalant, one-handed sideline attempt on the (would be) game-winning drive. Simple reading comprehension bro. Now I'm a "hater" and member of the VG naysayer club because you refuse to read. You guys cry about people spreading false information and misinterpreting other's words while you do it ad nauseam, not a good look.

"Facemask" play? One of the hardest catches for any WR to make. To pivot in full-stride and catch a ball that you've had to intentionally put in your rear-view mirror... while trying to slow down? Mostly NOT on any given Sunday.

Sideline play? Plant and fall towards the ball, establish your space against the defender and pull the ball into your body with BOTH hands. I've seen it done a million times. POOR EFFORT.




And now you can be sure... because I said Landry gave a POOR EFFORT on one play in a season that has shown he is worth every dime of the asking price. Thanks.

My bad .... i ASSumed u were talking about the face mask play ...

Like i said I thought that reply was “off” for u ...

Now i just think your WRONG about the “nonchalant drop” .... *L* ...

Not sure how u come to that conclusion ... we just disagree on that one bigtime ...

I dont think he had the time to do what u said... like the play last week or two weeks ago Memp and i were “debating” ...

The ball was on him right away ...

Pretty shocked your questioning his effort .... that catch he made the play or two before ... that was all effort ... his blocking is all effort ...

My apologies ... i had the wrong play ... sorry about that ...

Device, Landry may be somewhat overpaid but between the production he gave us and the intangibles I still feel he is an asset to the team. We need him moving forward if he can have the same seasons he just had.

It's all good. There are hundreds of posts here everyday, it's easy to skim and get the wrong impression. To be clear, I was talking about "effort" on one play, in no way does that mean I question his overall effort... anyone that does is out of their mind.

I looked before but couldn't find a replay, now that I have, you're right about the fact that the ball got there in a hurry. It's not that he couldn't complete the play as I described, not as easy as I had it stored in my brain's hard drive though. I remember watching live and thinking "now why do you have to try and show off with a one handed grab??" Fact is, he usually makes those plays, his mind is programmed to always believe he can. Kinda "his gift is a curse" type deal.

It's easy to watch great players and expect them to make every play, we're all guilty from time to time. Everyone has different perspectives as well... I thought the "facemask" catch was nearly impossible to adjust to and complete, others think it should be easy.

To think, last year we were scratching our heads when a pass from Kizer to Coleman hit him right in the "bread-basket" and fell incomplete to lose the final game. This year we're wondering why Baker and VG can't me models of perfection on every play. We can (and will) argue about nearly anything on this board, but there's one thing we all must agree on. We've come a long way in a short time.

Its funny thats where your mind went ... my first thought was ... to bad the ball “rotated” as opposed to staying “flat” ... when the ball hit his hands the ball immediately “flipped” and the nose of the ball ended up in his hand instead of the “oblong” portion if it ... if it doesn’t “rotate” i think he holds it ...

MUCH MUCH better debates this year ....LOVING IT ...

The "He's great" vs "No he's good but not great", beats the hell out of the, "He sucks" conversation we usually have at this time of the year.

A kicker is the only glaring need I see. The rest of the focus would be IMHO:

O
Look for #1 WR in the draft and sign Perriman, Higgins extensions.

D
CB, DE, DT Solid #2s or better


But IMHO the most important things are fix the kicking game, D tackling issues, and run stuffing.

I still do not understand the overpaid, therefore people want to dump him. Only in Cleveland will the fans want to dump the team's reception leader in catches and yards, because he makes more money than anyone else on the team. Landry brings so much to the team, but not for Cleveland fans. Why do our fans act as though it is their money that is being paid instead of Haslam's. Cleveland is going to have between 80 - 100 mil in cap space this year, and the battle cry is LANDRY IS WORTHLESS.. HE IS PAID TOO MUCH.

There is much more to the story of why some folks on here don't like Landry than meets the eye.

Here is a hint. They supported Kenny Britt and did not say he was overpaid. They don't think Jamie Collins is overpaid. They didn't think it was a bad move to let guys like Schwartz, Gipson, Mack, and others walk.

#AllGoodPlayers

I agree completely.. Coleman was supposed to be that guy, but completely fell short. We need a legit #1 that will stretch the field and battle for those jump balls.

I don't recall anyone supporting Britt in any way other than he was a Brown and we should be supporting our own players. No one has said he was better or more valuable to us than Landry. Losing Schwartz was a debacle and made me very upset at the time. Gipson is a good safety and we should of held on to him and I think Mack wanted to leave regardless of our efforts...

Anyway, Landry has had a huge impact on this team. It is hard to know exactly to what degree as we don't have access to the locker room, practices and the daily goings on of the team. I think his impact has been huge and probably underrated. He gives full effort, doesn't appear to take plays off, makes tough catches and does the dirty work ie blocking. I think he holds the wr group accountable and has established an expected work ethic amomng that group and he wants to be here.

A telling sign to me, which I always look for, is how does a player react when the team makes a great/good play ie sack, interception, touchdown that the player wasn't directly involved with ? Watch Landry when someone else makes a play or scores a touchdown etc. He is the first one to greet that player and is just as excited..

I think he is a team leader and a huge key to the apparent culture change going on. For those of you who haven't had much experience with the dynamics of a competitive team it is easy to simply look at numbers to assess a player's worth. I think Landry is worth every penney he gets from us with the current state of this franchise. That is subject to change in the coming years but man we need what he brings right now.

j/c

I think every fan of every team wants that #1 WR stud. However, if you could choose between the best WR and the best DT in the upcoming draft, which do you choose? The best WR or the best CB?

Would you throw the bank at Grady Jarrett? Or throw multiple picks and the bank at Odell Beckham?

Please take your agenda to another thread and don't ruin another thread.

If you are going to take the time to quote me, please don't misrepresent what I said.

I wasn't quoting you at all, merely commenting on your point about people supporting Britt and not complaining about how much he made which, in fact, wasn't the case at all. You seem to be quite the revisionist.

You did quote me. Here is the first two parts of your reply to me.



I yi yi yi...

When you quote someone Vers you are required to use quotation marks which represent the actual words used verbatim. That's how we are taught in Canada but I'll concede there may be grammatical incongruencies between the brotherly countries.

I opined based on the theme of your post which still remains erroneous.

No, it is not erroneous.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. I clearly said:



You came back with:



My point was that certain posters weren't complaining about Britt being overpaid, but go on and on and on about Landry being overpaid.

Hope you have a great weekend.

I think we both agree about Landry. I don't recall many posters being supportive re Britt. Sorry for the confusion.

I hope you have a nice weekend too.