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his Winkle Paws? 
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Leave his paw size out of it 
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I would bet that Winslow was his hot read and he just chucked it downfield before the pocket collapsed. ... high and deep to Winslow on a hot read is not that impressive to me.
Dude, are ya serious? That was a big league throw, man, requiring pinpoint accuracy with mustard on it. And he didn't just "chuck it" downfield as the pocket collapsed, he knew exactly what he was doing.
Never mind the dumpoffs in the drives against Detroit's prevent, the throw to KW2 was the moment I said "wow!" at Brady Quinn.
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That throw that Frye had intercepted at the end of the first half of the Detroit game was the EXACT same throw, we just didn't have a TE like Winslow in who could go up and get it
That just shows how much you'll stretch to make a point..Frye totally OVERTHREW Heiden by a few yards ...even Kosar said the ball sailed on him ..that wasn't even close ..it was a bad throw..
DnD NO it's not a loaded question...
We ain't keepin' 4 QB's for one...So one of Anderson and Anderson are history...If it's Dorsey then we're just plain IGNORANT...U don't keep this kinda inexperience on the roster from top to bottom...And I see no VET coming in...
Dorsey MUST be the 3rd QB...Smart...Experienced...Who cares about the ARM as deep as 3...
I see U figured that out also...U have to keep the one who is familar with the offense and smart enough to tutor the young pup..we don't have a vet but even Brenie said Dorsey is like having a vet mentor on the sideline.
When you see BQ sitting on the sideline, who;s next to him?
Anderson?
Nope..Dorsey..
I keep saying Anderson is the odd man out ..could be wrong, but I doubt it..
If he had a brain..he'd be the man to make it...even though he can't control his arm..
But like I said he can't dissect a defense beyond a base zone or a blitz coming at him....he's a mistake waiting to implode..
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requiring pinpoint accuracy with mustard on it.
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Answer me this Lamp. If you saw it, and rewatched it a few times. Do you think Heiden would have caught that pass? And if not, then doesnt that mean it was really a much better catch, then it was a pass?
I wasnt talking about any of the dumps in Detroit. The out for the TD, and the out for a 1st. Both to the right, with a little rollout. Wich he does nicely by the way. A throw I also saw him make in Denver a couple times. Only there it was to the left for a TD. He has the arm and timing down on the outs better than Ive seen any of our QBs be able to do in recent history. He is getting it there on the outs in time for our receivers to do something instead of instantly fighting off the interception or tackle. That has been his most impressive strength to me.
Ive never seen Quinn before this year, so I am still learning what he is actually good at. The out pass is one of them he has been impressive to me so far. With Winslow and Brylon running out routes a really simple little play could turn into our bread and butter 3rd and long pass.
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Answer me this Lamp. If you saw it, and rewatched it a few times. Do you think Heiden would have caught that pass? And if not, then doesnt that mean it was really a much better catch, then it was a pass?
Well that's kind of semantics and a word game isn't it? I'll play. Let's try it this way.
You didn't see him throw one up for Heiden like that did you? Haven't his passes been to where "each player he targeted" had the ability to catch the ball? Wouldn't that mean he had the presence of mind to understand it WAS "KW2" he was throwing to? And as such,threw it ONLY IN A SPOT where KW2 could have caught that ball and not the defender?
Sort of a double edged sword isn't it?
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Answer me this Lamp. If you saw it, and rewatched it a few times. Do you think Heiden would have caught that pass? And if not, then doesnt that mean it was really a much better catch, then it was a pass?
Heiden would have been able to get his hands on it... it would have been a great catch regardless of who caught it. I don't think anybody disputes that it was a great catch... It was also a great throw, to a guy who was partially covered, to the open spot where only his guy could have caught it. If he throws it a foot higher, it can't be caught by Winslow or any other TE... if he throws it a couple feet lower, it could get knocked down by the defender.... and if he floats it in, Winslow gets jacked up by the safety coming up in coverage....
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How do you define "Ready"?
Cross references:
1. quick
1. ready \'red-e-\ aj [ME redy; akin to OHG reiti ready, Goth garaiths
arrayed, Gk]arariskein to fit - more at ARM 1: prepared mentally or
physically for some experience or action 2a1: willingly disposed :
INCLINED 2a2: likely to do something indicated 2b: spontaneously prompt
3: notably dexterous, adroit, or skilled 4: immediately available
2. ready vt : to make ready
3. ready n : the state of being ready; esp : preparation of a gun for
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Not semantics IMO. Seems pretty straight forward to me. I dont remember who said it. May have been Steve Young or Montana talking about what Walsh required of them in practice. Specifically about accuracy. The philosophy was basically this.
A great receiver(Winslow) can make almost any pass look good. But a great pass can be caught by any receiver(Heiden)..
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So if a guy is 6'4",athleticly gifted and partialy covered,you should refuse to "take advantage" of his height and athletacism? I think you will find many mismatches in games. But to take advantage of those mismatches,you must utilize precisely what that mismatch affords you. In this case,KW2 had height and atletacism. It was used to our advantage on that play. Now wheather by design or pure circumstance I won't debate. But unless it was put in there strong,KW2 would have taken a good shot. If it had been thrown lower,who knows what might have happenned. Yes,given time,Quinn could have lead him and timed the pass. But the pressure was on Quinn. He didn't have a lot of time to make decisions. And the throw worked. I hope he takes full advantage of every such mismatch just as spontaniously as this one. Because wheather he lead KW2 or wheather he zipped it in there a little high. Either will work and both will be successfull. So I'll take either one without nitpicking it to death.
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So I'll take either one without nitpicking it to death.
Its preseason, and might be one the few chances we see what we got for that 1st and 2nd. Besides its preseason, what else is there to do
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If you saw it, and rewatched it a few times. Do you think Heiden would have caught that pass? And if not, then doesnt that mean it was really a much better catch, then it was a pass?
I saw it several times, rage.
Doesn't matter who it was thrown to, KW2, Heiden, whomever....
It wasn't an easy catch, but was a catch an NFLer should make (one not named Quincy or Travis ) because it was good enough to get both hands on the ball. It was high, but it was where it had to be thrown - threading the needle with some zip.
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It seems to me you're nitpicking one pass...for whatever reason.
Preseason game...rookie QB in...threw a pass our veteran QB's can't throw.
U want something more??
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Did I just hear Mike Lupica on The Sports Reporters say in response to Notre Dame's horrid start - "Maybe the success of the past two years and the poor 2007 says less about the genius of Charlie Weis, and more about Brady Quinn..." ???
I'm beginning to think that BQ is ready a lot sooner than anyone is saying..
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I think ready for me...breaks down into 2 catergories, knowledge of offense and teammates...and knowledge of opposing defenses.
1. A QB needs to know the offense, so that when a play is called, he knows his checkdowns, and every route run, and the timings of when routes will make breaks. He has to know how each of his teammates will run their routes so he can adjust his throws to cater to each players talents (dont hit Travis Wilson in the hands, make BE jump, ha). He needs to know where to direct the OL if a blitz or a certain coverage is coming, especially a blitz, which brings to point 2.
Knowledge of opposing defenses. Charlie Frye showed it when he adjusted with BE and hit the 8 yard slant. It was the first time I saw Frye do that. Maybe he's only now "ready." Anyway, when a QB can read where a defense will be to adjust his throw or maybe the play to beat the coverage or blitz. Being able to know how to react to a defensive setup is the most important part in being "ready."
And not to delve into this, but I think this is most where Quinn wouldnt be ready if we were to start him from day 1. This is where Frye I think has a leg up to this point. He can read D's because he's seen them, and this preseason, has shown me, that he is "ready"
So I guess Frye will never be ready cuz I don't think he has ever been ready up to this point... 
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Did I just hear Mike Lupica on The Sports Reporters say in response to Notre Dame's horrid start - "Maybe the success of the past two years and the poor 2007 says less about the genius of Charlie Weis, and more about Brady Quinn..." ???
I'm beginning to think that BQ is ready a lot sooner than anyone is saying..
that's what we're all hoping for...(after NE or the bye of course)
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