DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Soooo....Terrell Pryor is available....

I would agree with you except Cody Kessler was ahead of him on the depth chart.

It wasn't an "emergency". Now if Cody was hurt too and there was nobody else to play QB I'd agree with your point.

Pryor had transitioned from QB to WR. He was not going to ever play QB in the NFL for a team. He was a WR with the Browns and his team was hit by chronic injuries to a position that Pryor could best fill on a very very temporary basis. His attitude was all about him, when it should have been all about the team.

A few years ago you had a WR for the Patriots playing CB because of injuries. CB doesn't carry the same salary as QB - but I think there were games when he guy played both ways... not a high snap count, but both ways. I don't recall him ever crying out for double pay or a boost to his contract.

I had no problem Pryor gambling on himself. I thought he was making a mistake - not because I thought he owed us loyalty, but because he was highly unlikely to match the $$$ he would have been paid by the Browns. It's a business and teams cut players the moment their salary is higher than their worth to the team ... but Pryor was going to be 28 after his 1 year contract with the Redskins and would have had to be paid like a top 8 WR in the NFL to recover the money he lost by turning down the Browns. I remember it well because I broke down the math at the time.

I disagree with this perspective although I respect your opinion.

I have never gone into a new work place as "the man". I started both of my life skilled jobs as a grunt the low paid work horse sort of speak. I used my willingness to learn to fill in when needed no matter if for that day or 2 I wasn't getting the big bucks of those I filled in for. I seized my opportunity's when they were given and ended up overseeing 2 rigs and 2 crews. My next work that I currently am employed at now I filled in for a guy when he was ill next thing ya know because I showed a willingness to jump in I now run the day shift processing line in a factory. My point being is when a person is asked in a work setting to do something they aren't necessarily excited about and not for an increase of pay for a limited time those are the times that speak volumes and open those doors for...more money more respect even more opportunity.

So while I get your opinion I learned long ago that to get ahead you humble yourself to a degree and prove what you are worth in bigger terms than what someone expects of you.

If an employer asks, you do.

If you do well, both will be agreeable to a change in pay.

It is not that difficult, and to go in with any other attitude makes you look selfish.

Thats not always the case.

My employer said I wasnt a good enough leader for a promotion to senior developer.

So they repeatedly put me in team leader roles to "prove" to them that I'm a leader.

They did this for YEARS and never promoted me.

They were taking advantage of me. They didnt want to pay me what I'm worth.

So I started my own company and quit. And now my biz is very successful and about 25 people work for me.

So, I'm not a good leader, huh?

Suck it, Delta. You can no longer afford me, or my leadership skills.

Yes. This exactly. You all have some rose colored glasses when viewing NFL teams as though they aren't a business.

Also, I totally agree with everyone else above that...

1) If there is an emergency and there is nobody else to play QB
2) If there's a good track record
3) The team has established a good track record of safety and trust

The Browns had none of this. The example above where it was the Patriots they have. They had a great O-line and great game planners.

Browns had Kessler as QB on the roster, he was just scared to go in, that's coaching's responsibility not Pryor's.

Pryor WANTED to be QB, they told him he couldn't be, then when they needed him expected him to do it. That's again, bad coaching IMO.

He was more than willing to go in and Wildcat QB for us (remember the heroic Dolphins game?) when it was properly planned. He just didn't want to go in and get murdered which wouldn't lead to a promotion to QB.

I get where you're coming from. I feel that way at most jobs I've had.

However, I think it needs to track. The employers needs to have earned your respect, guarantee your safety and provide an opportunity for promotion.

The Browns did zero of these things for Pryor.

And, Pryor is now out of a job. What he thinks he is worth is unimportant, what his potential employers think he is worth, IS.

He made his choices, and will now live with the consequences. He may have a couple years left as a backup, rotational WR, but not much more, and maybe even not that much.

He would have been better off staying here, developing within the same system, and improving his skills. But he didn't, and wasn't.

As I said on the first day Pryor turned down the Browns contract offer. "Stupid is as stupid does"

Poor choice no doubt. He left millions behind that he will never get back.

Agreed and now he's yesterday's news. He had his best shot here. Bad decision.

Maybe Hawkins said something different. I don't ever remember Pryor being asked to play QB other than when our actual QBs were hurt or nursing an injury. Pryor as the starting QB of the Browns.... No, don't remember that ever being an option.

IDK if that happened or not, I didn't hear that. But I do remember the game, and thinking to myself that it would be wise to put in Pryor at QB than Kessler at that point.

I think there is a difference. The circumstance described with Pryor was an immediate situation... Since your situation went on for years, that is the difference. I agree you were taken advantage of, and congratulations for breaking out on your own.

Well, I guess he showed us! So there!

I just shake my head at the attitude we hear about with this kind of money. Just insane attitude issues in my world.