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Landry thinks he is Tyrek Hill.but hes not.
Landry catches the ball. buts hes not a deep threat. hes a possession WR getting paid gamebreaker money.
hes not one to turn a 12 yd slant into a 56 yd TD

yeah, his run defense at the point of attack must improve

What happened today is very much as I expected. Pittsburgh couldn't wait to play us again after that, to them, embarrassing tie. They played physical on both sides and blitzed constantly. They had a good game plan and executed it well. Could it be the coaching?

No

So why then were they blitzing us and we had no one to pick up the blitzers?

Repeatedly?

Vers,

Serious questions …

1. Protection issues today. On Haley? On Baker? On both? Do you know? What do you suspect by what you saw?

2. If you were the O coord and the defense consistently was getting free rushers to the QB, what would you do? I'd screen them to death. Or commit to the run way more than we did today.

3. After the coaches made somewhat of a big deal about Baker's mistakes in the Chargers game, they stressed the checkdowns. Came out against a weak TB team and you could tell the game plan was to have Baker recognize the short patterns quickly and get the ball out of his hands. I believe this was an overreaction to Baker's play and has seemed to have changed his mindset. He had 0 plus level throws today until Devalve and that doesn't really count. He was under duress all day, but what happened to drop, set, fire? I can't imagine this is "tape" on Mayfield. This seems to be something else. What are your thoughts on this?

O-line was horrid, especially the Center and Tackles.

Baker has to read his hot routes. Few times he could have dumped the ball to the RB on blitzes, and he didn't.

Why can't we tackle? Why was Collins at the Mike spot?

Why can't our team do the simple things right, like make an extra point and FG?

Only bright light this game for me was Chubb... and a Devalve sighting!

Why wasnt Devalve in the game.
Why didnt we throw to tight ends.
Why did Garret call out the coach on scheme.

Just my 2 cents on something...

Redskins Giants game...We know how bad and slow Eli has became, we know how horrid their Oline is...However Eli had clean pockets, and it snot because his Oline is full of stars...It's because the Redskins would sit and cover all the weapons he has (Engram, Odell, Shepherd, Barkley)...I mean they still lost, but when you have the threat of targets all over the field the D is going to take that to account and back off.

Baker was being rushed relentlessly (how many times did we only see 3 or 4 rushers?...I cant think of alot of plays) Pitt knows Landry is the only threat (slide blanket coverage) so they dictate what Baker can do...They know Calloway is easy to bump off his route and tires, They know that Njoku is soft and just hassle him...and that is all you have to do, as we lack threats.

Mayfield was high on a lot of his throws
Offensive line did not look good
Chubb looked good early on
We got lucky on the free kick
DeValve made plays in garbage time
Njoku had zero targets
Garrett with another sack but didn’t play well overall
Collins was active
Kindred with a pick and a blown zone coverage for a long TD
Ward played well

I don’t think the defense quit. I think they were worn out

the Browns oline is a finese oline.
DeValve is over rated.
defenses are compressing everything cause they dont have to worry about Landry getting behind them.
one way to stop blitzers is going to a power run game
or screens.

How is Devalve overrated? Extremely limited snaps, and comes in and scores. IMO, He has way better hands than Njoku.

DeValve is like Duke from years past.
both players got alot of targets on really porous offenses.
he has good hands ok sure. but hes a limit route runner and is he isnt a physical TE.
hes overrated on this board.
hes good for depth. buts not starting material.

So, he’s not physical, so what? He catches balls, and can move th chains, just what a TE is supposed to do. He runs good enough routes to get open, isn’t that his job?

With DeValve and Njoku, this team should be runnin two TE sets all the time.

Problem is neither can block.

Neither can our o-line, symmetry is a wonderful thing.

Use them as the Pats used the Gronk/Hernandez tandem. All we really need for them to do is move the chains. If all they do is chip and go, so be it.

Just a matter of time now for when Jackson is fired.

The jury is still out on the catching part too.

DeValve is not one to fight through multiple tacklers and drag guys.
he doesnt always fight for the ball either.
hes a decent TE. but he does not really put fear in a secondary.

I didn't get a chance to post my thoughts from last week's game... Had an unbelievably long week that started pretty much right after the Browns game.

Today was rough. I felt like we regressed as a team back to what we have been. We looked a lot more like the 0-16 Browns, than the team that was competing every week.

I just think it's time for Hue to go. I'm not a big fan of firing coaches mid-season, but I think an exception can be made here. The guy turned out to be a fraud. He walked into the building literally with a standing ovation and gave us 3 wins in 3 years. Enough is enough. This team continues to be sloppy, undisciplined, and worst of all, extremely predictable.

That's not to say that we really have anyone fit to take over. Haley and Williams have both been HC"s before, but both were failed attempts, and would clearly just be cleaning up the mess until the entire staff gets replaced after the season.

I thought Nick Chubb ran well today and was one of the only positive things we saw. He looks like a legitimate starting RB. A guy that can give you a pretty big volume of carries.

Baker Mayfield had a rough day. Like a lot of young QB's have going into Pittsburgh. It's not all him, these receivers were horrible today. Just awful. I saw Landry quit on a ball thrown to him. Callaway had one nice play, but it was on a drive that was flagged every single play.

Special teams continues to be a mess. I'd fire the coordinator now and see if someone else can do any better.

I told my cousin today that Greg Williams runs a good defense when you have a high powered offense. When your offense can put up points in bunches, and you force teams to be one sided, the pressure Williams' defenses can create is a pretty good match. But that's not what we have here, and this isn't going to work. Adjustments were made from last game. There's no creativity. It's pretty predictable and we consistently get beat on screens, bubble screens, and short crossing routes. Eventually our db's will get caught with our pants down like they did on that first AB touchdown.

We miss Joe Schobert, but it's not an excuse.

I think there needs to be a happy medium between Baker Mayfield fitting into an NFL offense, and having a coach who can fit an offense around Mayfield's strongest attributes. Which is why I think the rumors of Lincoln Riley are intriguing. I don't think it'll happen, and sadly as much as I love John Dorsey, he seems like a guy that will stick with the old guard as far as coaching goes, and not think outside the box, but I hope I'm wrong.

I really thought we'd be hearing news of a firing tonight, but it seems like Hue is going to survive another week.

Just watched Hue and Baker's post game pressers and it's the same thing every week....Hue...I have to watch the tape and we have to fix what's wrong...... Baker....We need to play better and learn from our mistakes.... Both of them said the same thing last week.I am so sick of losing,especially to teams in our division.

the center was playing with a high ankle sprain...whos our backup center?????,,,lol.....the tackles are backups at best, the rookie shows promise, but is like 3rd string....

baker is rookie of the week(2x) and doing things decent....give this kid an o line...and wow!

you are totally right, i mean missed tackles are bad on this team?

you are correct at the simple things, i dont ever remember thinking kicking wasn't usually automatic, if fact the whole special teams has been stupid bad

chubb looked good... all i saw today is a line that cant pass block....and thats scary...but we got a kiddo who can win rookie of the week 2x in 8 games with this line...i think they can fix the line and add weapons next year...we were 0 and 16 last year.....those of you that are thinking playoffs....yeah no...but the thing is, we really do look like we got a team at times..next years draft if done right, could propel this team biiiiiig time

None of this is Baker Mayfield's fault.

He doesn't coach the team or OC.

He has very few offensive weapons to throw to.

We traded away our #1 WR for peanuts.

Nobody picks up the blitz. This isn't new. Other teams blitz us with no resistance week after week and we do nothing about it. How is he supposed to throw when he is running for his life?

tldr: We don't have all the pieces and our offensive coaching is extremely questionable.

A lot of what went bad was Baker's fault today. But Hue is getting the blame.

With that said, Baker is a rookie and there are going to be growing pains. He needs to do a much better job of recognizing where the blitz is coming from and then exploiting it.

We started off well w/the scripted plays, because Haley called screens that went over the top of the blitz. Once Baker had to make the pre-snap reads, we went into the abyss.

And this is not me bashing Baker. He's a rookie who never had to do those things in college. But, it's a learning process.

The Raiders won a game? Oh, right.

This concerns me since presnap reads should be easy. Hell, I can do it from my couch.

Baker has been touted for his intelligence. If what you say is true, the kid doesn't have a chance.

Recognizing the blitz? This is Baker's fault that there was straight up nobody blocking the blitzers? They ran right up in there unimpeded?

Yes. Baker needs to work on his imaginary force field to stop unimpeded blitzers.

Eve, it's a learning process for Baker. I am not bashing him. It's something he has to work on.

Yes, QBs should be able to read where the blitz is coming from. They will call out a hot route and/or make a sight adjustment to beat the unblocked blitzer. They exploit it.

If you remember, Haley did a great job in the first quarter w/his scripted plays of being the blitz. We threw screens over the top of the blitz and ran delayed handoffs to counteract the blitz. It worked and we were gashing them.

Once Baker had to make the reads on his own.........he failed. I'm okay w/it because he is a smart guy and I think he will get better at it.

I'm not so sure on his post-snap reads, but I do think he'll get a lot better w/his pre-snap reads.

It's not a learning process. It's an OC fail.

Straight up fail.

This problem started happening with the Chargers. They were blitzing without us blocking them.

I didn't get to to see the TB game, so I don't know if it happened in that game.

But then today Pitt is doing it.

And our OC has done nothing to stop it.

I can't even remember the last time we had this problem in general before this season.

It's an OC problem not a QB problem. It's pretty damn obvious when they are blitzing and their blitzer isn't even being blocked by us. At all.

Effing fix it already. This isn't new.

Okay.............I tried.

Carry on.

There is a difference between a QB responding to pressure, and a QB being a lamb to slaughter because nobody picks up the blitzers.

I know this is crazy, but just hear me out:

What if the QB knew the blitz was coming and changed the protection or the play?

Everyone in the universe knew the blitz was coming, so if he didn't change it, I'd guess he doesn't have that ability.

Makes me wonder if he has permission to change the play?

OMG!

So Hayley needs to be smacked.

Not a Baker problem.

Eve, I like you and I think you are smarter than most of the dolts on here. I took time to try to educate you on a football issue. I wasn't trying to argue w/you. I was trying to help you.

If you wanna argue.........I'm out.

I better clarify that............you once gave me advice on how to market my online business. You have more experience than I do at that and I appreciated your advice. I didn't act like you were clueless.

I'm not trying to argue with you in particular.

I'm just opinionated because I don't feel Baker deserves any blame.

I have seen our QBs thrown under the bus soooooooo many times.

And I don't want him thrown under the bus because he doesn't deserve it.

It's a coaching problem. And a lack of talent on O problem. Not a Baker problem.