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Click the video and you get the message: "This video contains content from the NFL who has it blocked from display on this website or application" More evidence of a conspiracy. Block controversial calls against the Browns from being viewed on Browns websites  Watched it on youtube. The next video that comes up after yours is: NFL is Scripted Fixed Rigged | Proof NFL is Fake for Entertainment/Sportsbooks P.2 It uses this play as an example and the guy laughs and mocks throughout. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2v58z4gjwk
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And then they got together and CALLED THE 2ND BLOCK IN THE BACK WE SAW ... we have no clue what the other penalty was ... do u remember the timing of the flags coming out? ... was the official that should have called the 1st block in the block the 2nd one to throw his flag at the 2nd block in the back? ... if i was there and saw the timing of the flags i would have a better idea of what happenend ...
BUT WHAT I GAURANTEE DIDNT HAPPEN was they got together and decided to just ignore the 1st block in the back if it was indeed the 1st penalty called .. NO WAY IN HECK THAT HAPPENEND ...
We have NO CLUE what the 2nd foul was ... NONE ....
Think about this Willie ... this is what your asking a reasonable human being to believe ...
The officials called the first and second block in the back ... and decided to just ignore the first block in the back to help the rats win cause the nfl for some reason has a stake on the game ... OR ... all these officials with a combined 100 plus years of officiating on the low side that have officiated literally gems of thousands of games together marked the penalty off PERFECTLY from the spot the 2nd block on the back occurred EVEN AFTER it was brought to there attention by Hue and the white hat even ran over ... NO WAY WILLIE ... NO WAY ... .
These officials are held accountable Willie ... the official that missed the 1st block in the back took a big hit on that one ... that was the ONLY HIT taken buy an official on that play ... if he called it and they ignored it this would be the last year in the league for all of them ... no way none of them would survive not enforcing that rule ...
And the leagues learned a little sumptin off the nba scandal ... the backround check u have to under go to officiate at the d-1 level of the major sports is more stringent than u would imagine ... but u could get away with it ... even post season d-1 it could be hidden ..
Getting into a MAJOR SPORT at the pro level .... they now get thoroughly checked and looked into each and every year ... could it be done ... sure, anything’s possible ... but man it would be real real hard almost impossible today ....
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I'm not suggesting that they ignored the first flag to purposely give the Rats better field position. But I'm telling ya...that flag came out immediately and where the first block occurred...you could hear the fans calling it and then cheer when the flag came out...with some bronx cheer as well.
Then the next flag came out after the returner left that area 20 yards upfield. People around me guessed it MUST be a facemask to offset the illegal block.
I know that ^ happened.
I think I remember the Ref say there were two fouls on the play...then he only announced an illegal block...then they put the ball near the spot of the SECOND flag. The fans were having a fit...Hue was having a fit.
Too many crazy things like that happen to us like this...and on the heals of the Raider fiasco no less. I don't think there is a great conspiracy against the Browns. But I do think there is a bias against bad teams...and we've historically been one. At some point, that HAS to change...but we are showing that we are a better team than we've been...hope it continues.
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Eotab, I have been reading your comments from the beginning of “What I Saw” at the old board. I just wanted to say thank you! I have been losing my vision for the last 25 years from a degenerative eye disease. I watch the games, but my family tells me if the ball is caught and who etc. I can make out a lot, but not all the little details That I crave as a Browns fan for almost 40 years. I read your thread every week and love the details cuz I often don’t know who made a certain play or miss things. Btw, I was also military, so I appreciate it from that side as well! I don’t post because I don’t have a lot to add, but just know you are making a difference in someone’s quality of life! I had to speak up for this thread. I also enjoy post game thoughts, but this has the analysis.
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Thanks for your service dawg ...
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That is awesome Vicki.
Great post that inspires. I know Tab can relate in some ways.
God bless!
You dont have to win every game just the next one!
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AWESOME, Vick.
That's just Awesome.
Come to the Isle. I'll pick you up.
Cap will hold your cocktail as you sip, if needed.
1st Class Service. 1st Class Mayor in Diam.
Here We Go, Brownies. Here We Go. Woof-Woof!!!
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j/c
I re-watched the game last night and noticed a couple things I had missed live:
I think Ward would have picked off that pass even without the ball being tipped. The play looks similar to the one where he picked off Ben in the red zone. He started to cut in front of the TE as soon as the ball was thrown. That might even have been a pick 6 without the tip.
The game-winning filed goal kick may have been much better than I first thought. I thought the kick must have been too low to be blocked like that. I re-watched it last night and it's one of the oddest things I've seen. Bear with me.
Jefferson was on the left edge...he breaks free, but inside the left edge contain guy (unlike Ward coming off the outer edge like Superman). Jefferson is standing up on the kicker side of the LOS parallel to what would otherwise be the LG. It would be almost impossible to kick that ball 'higher' when the 5'10" guy is that close to the holder...in FRONT of the holder. So...the kick wasn't 'low' as much as the defender was on our side of the LOS, but NOT on the outer edge...not something you see unless the defender times the snap perfectly and jumps over the line. It's a very odd-looking play.
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Lesson 2 - DON’T EVER BLOW YOUR SHISTLE W/O SEEING THE BALL There's a joke here somewhere, but I'm going to allow this iconic nugget to just stand on it's own. If there is a joke about a shistle to be made, we should probably ask Snoop Dogg to make it. 
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SO DID HE DEFLECT IT? ....
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SO DID HE DEFLECT IT? ....
Yes. If you get a chance to re-watch it...force yourself to look inside the left contain. I'm telling you, it is hard to see because it is so darn unusual. He's on our side of the LOS, but NOT coming off the edge. Your eye is saying 'What is that guy doing THERE?'
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*L*... i cant re-watch it .. dont have access to my DVR ... wish I could ... Sounds so different ... thank for sharing bro ...
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Two other things I saw better on replay:
The play where Landry should have run out-of-bounds...I forgot that we still ran three plays and kicked on fourth down. We still missed the field goal, but I forgot that we ran three plays in limited time before the kick. I think he still should have gone out though.
On the two-penalty, punt defensed. The returner is at the 34 when the first penalty happens at about the 38. The ball was placed at the....34. Worst case for us, the ball should have been at the 24 or 28.
First play from scrimmage after that? The RT clearly false starts with no call...they gain six yards to the 40.
Think about that. 1st and 10 at your own 40 when it should be 1st and 15 at your own 19.
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*L*... i cant re-watch it .. dont have access to my DVR ... wish I could ... Sounds so different ... thank for sharing bro ... Yes you can! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvPDpCxjbo4
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There was no flag thrown on the first one ... your just wrong ... AGAIN ....
Diam they showed a slow mo replay of that return and right there when the Runner was on the 35 yard line you see the block in the back and YOU SEE THE FLAG THROWN and the yellow hanky landing on the ground right there at the spot of the foul.
So I did not hear the number given for the foul...oh wait did they even give a number. I've never seen so many Flags thrown and around 3-5 times they did not give a number. But I ASSumed by seeing the replay that the Flag was thrown for that block on TV, So you say we are arguing that they missed that block in the back and that should be our concern...but wait, THE REPLAY SHOWS THE FLAG THROWN...and at the spot right after that block...so the flag mysterious disappeared or are you stating that they were clairvoyant and threw the flag in anticipation of the foul to occur in a second or two later further down the field??? Thank you for bringing that up cause it just puts more Oil on the Fire and actually you are providing more info on something fishy is going on. Look at the replay...if you came to my house as promised we would see it on the recorded game and I can show it to you. on the 35 block in the back and instantly a flag come down just a yard from where the foul occurred. Somebody is dealing from the bottom of the deck and it seems to be against the Browns!
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HS refs...we actually had a riot once...Arch rivals Playoffs.
With seconds winding down and a few points behind we had an incredible run made for 80 yards and a TD, trailing the play is a Ref we call Cheesburger cause he looks like Wimpy from Popeye but more ROTUND...So he is trailing the play on the Sideline. literally 40 yards behind the runner and he is pursuing the play about a YARD off the field Meanwhile the entire Sidelines is in Celebration jumping UP AND DOWN screaming for their teammate who is 40 yards down field and about 10 yards from the Goal line soon to cross and with time done the game was over and we advanced to the next playoffs game.
But wait, Cheeseburger and I'm not elaborating one bit was at least 40 yards behind the action...Bumped into one of the players that was jumping up and down and YES, he threw the flag. Mind you the kid was off the field. and got closer to the sideline jumping up and down to view the Runner ready to score. No time left, But cause of the penalty there was one play left to score, which was not... and a riot ensued after the game. The Ref had to be escorted by the police or he would have been hurt. The HC was fired and Friday night games banned. Now that was the worst call I ever say...lol 
But I don't think the games are fixed, just too many involved and somebody would mess up in this day and age of digital forensic it would be found...so I don't think there is a fix.
"THINK" and that is my personal opinion. But something definitely fishy going on. The only thing I can come up with is that we are THE ONLY FANS OF A TEAM...in the modern age of football to RUN REFS OFF THE FIELD OF PLAY due to the call and reversal of review (in the early days of review) as we ran an entire play off and then the refs blew the whistle and state that they would review the play. AN ENTIRE PLAY WAS RAN as we snapped and DA I think stopped the clock with a spike of the ball. Then as we went back to huddle they advised that they would review the play before the play that just was ran.
So we chased them off the field throwing bottles empty and some with liquid in them. Stopping the game a sight never seen before nor after although many a fans from other teams would tell me they wished their fans had done so. Not saying their actions were justified. The refs should be protected. Although I will admit I was a little proud of being a Browns fan and we did that demonstration that nobody else ever did.
But I think because of the TERRIBLE ACT and it was Terrible we are and have been paying for it as week after week. We see plays not flagged on the field and yet the PLAYERS of the other team get fined for their hits on our QB or WRs.
How many times does a team ever get an apology from the NFL on a call that cost them a game. I can think of at least 3 THREE times the NFL apologized for a call or NONE CALL. Whilst I never saw that done ONCE for another team. Of course what good is an apology after the fact.
something is just not right.
I think it will stop now, cause are games were rarely viewed by the media and fans of other teams. But because of Hard Knocks and because of the polarity of Baker Mayfield, Everyone is watching so I think it will finally stop.
But something is just not right.
Fix...I personally do not think so. Something fishy? I think that is OBVIOUS and the only thing that I can come up with is the Bottle throwing incident and we are paying for it....what can I say.
lol I think we got too many Cheeseburgers out there. Grecian formula abound, sorry but there has to be an age limit for NFL refs. They should be employed full time not part time with all having other jobs. They should be as full time employees be more precise and better than they are now which I'm actually amazed as for the most part they do a Great Job.
But still can't help it. something stinks like dead fish!
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Eotab, I have been reading your comments from the beginning of “What I Saw” at the old board. I just wanted to say thank you! I have been losing my vision for the last 25 years from a degenerative eye disease. I watch the games, but my family tells me if the ball is caught and who etc. I can make out a lot, but not all the little details That I crave as a Browns fan for almost 40 years. I read your thread every week and love the details cuz I often don’t know who made a certain play or miss things. Btw, I was also military, so I appreciate it from that side as well! I don’t post because I don’t have a lot to add, but just know you are making a difference in someone’s quality of life! I had to speak up for this thread. I also enjoy post game thoughts, but this has the analysis.
As stated I do this for those who cannot see the game, not knowing that Vicki literally cannot see the game.
I hope this actually will entice more descriptive Posts again on ONE PLAY but a precise description and what maybe a little thing might come out that was important to you and share with others. Cause NOT ALL CAN SEE THE GAME LIKE WE DO.
Again especially those who were at the game with their perspective.
Yes sometimes especially after a loss I will wait a day for the madness to calm down a bit. So that I will not get posts like.
What I saw was a team that sucks or posts of that nature.
I am not going to rush and get my thread out here before the other like its some sort of GAME. I'm sure Excel feels the same way.
Actually I got some complaints from posters the one time I decided to have it up so those waiting to post their What I saw Account could do so. So either way I cannot win.
But I actually did think of stopping the thread until I received the PM of Vicki...I WILL NEVER STOP POSTING MY WHAT I SAW THREAD. If anything I am inspired to do a better job and to be as descriptive and ask all other posters to be descriptive as possible and not make GENERAL posts...but if you think somebody did well, describe one play in detail that sticks out as testimony to your view of the game.
Thank you again and please add Vicki to your prayers as I believe in the power of prayer. GM and now Vicki will be in my prayers.  Thank you and I will continue this thread and will do a better job as well as I hope all other posters will knowing there are still dogs out there who enjoy the take of fellow fans on what they see in our games!
 thank you Vicki for rejuvenating my purpose in my What I saw threads
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Thank you to Eotab and everyone for their wonderful posts! I am so thankful for them all!
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My last point to my argument my friend, is I have been watching HS and College football all my life.
Never have I seen such poor officiating. If HS refs and college refs can call games better then NFL refs, there is either a major problem with the refs they have hired, or the fix is in.
Anyone know what the spreads were the last two weeks and if Vegas made money on the outcomes? How many HD cameras do they typically use at your HS football games to give you 8 different super slo-mo angles to judge the officiating by? 0 and they still get the calls better than the NFL
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Eotab, I have been reading your comments from the beginning of “What I Saw” at the old board. I just wanted to say thank you! I have been losing my vision for the last 25 years from a degenerative eye disease. I watch the games, but my family tells me if the ball is caught and who etc. I can make out a lot, but not all the little details That I crave as a Browns fan for almost 40 years. I read your thread every week and love the details cuz I often don’t know who made a certain play or miss things. Btw, I was also military, so I appreciate it from that side as well! I don’t post because I don’t have a lot to add, but just know you are making a difference in someone’s quality of life! I had to speak up for this thread. I also enjoy post game thoughts, but this has the analysis.
As stated I do this for those who cannot see the game, not knowing that Vicki literally cannot see the game.
I hope this actually will entice more descriptive Posts again on ONE PLAY but a precise description and what maybe a little thing might come out that was important to you and share with others. Cause NOT ALL CAN SEE THE GAME LIKE WE DO.
Again especially those who were at the game with their perspective.
Yes sometimes especially after a loss I will wait a day for the madness to calm down a bit. So that I will not get posts like.
What I saw was a team that sucks or posts of that nature.
I am not going to rush and get my thread out here before the other like its some sort of GAME. I'm sure Excel feels the same way.
Actually I got some complaints from posters the one time I decided to have it up so those waiting to post their What I saw Account could do so. So either way I cannot win.
But I actually did think of stopping the thread until I received the PM of Vicki...I WILL NEVER STOP POSTING MY WHAT I SAW THREAD. If anything I am inspired to do a better job and to be as descriptive and ask all other posters to be descriptive as possible and not make GENERAL posts...but if you think somebody did well, describe one play in detail that sticks out as testimony to your view of the game.
Thank you again and please add Vicki to your prayers as I believe in the power of prayer. GM and now Vicki will be in my prayers. Thank you and I will continue this thread and will do a better job as well as I hope all other posters will knowing there are still dogs out there who enjoy the take of fellow fans on what they see in our games!
thank you Vicki for rejuvenating my purpose in my What I saw threads This is just awesome! I enjoy both threads actually very much. There are 50000 threads on baker or hue, I don't think 2 threads on the game is a bad thing. Keep it up sir. I will be here Monday morning when you post the thread.
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