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Just came across this article on ESPN.com. Can not WAIT for tomorrow.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2968432

Edwards, Winslow leaving the past behind
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By Len Pasquarelli
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Updated: August 10, 2007

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BEREA, Ohio -- To this point in the brief but brittle professional tenures of Cleveland Browns tight end Kellen Winslow and wide receiver Braylon Edwards, their résumés have been defined as much by broken bones as game-breaking plays.

Chosen among the top six players in consecutive NFL drafts, the tandem has registered more letdowns than touchdowns. Expected to emerge as the twin playmakers for the young Cleveland offense, Edwards and Winslow instead have become conjoined by misfortune and disappointment and the dreaded stigma of potential unfulfilled.

And now, at a seeming crossroads for them and for this franchise, they are drawn together by a shared determination to relegate whatever transpired in the past to the dustbin of history.

"For my first two years here," said Edwards, the third player selected in the 2005 draft, "I spent a lot of time asking myself a lot of questions. 'Why isn't this turning out the way that it was supposed to be? Is this how it's destined to be? Can it happen here and with this team? Is it possible to win here?' But you know what? That stuff is all just [garbage] now. It's time to stop worrying about all the questions and to concentrate on providing some answers. It's time for me to just play some football."

Such cut-to-the-chase pragmatism was echoed by Winslow after Thursday afternoon's camp practice, and its genesis might lie in the fact that both Cleveland receivers are the sons of former NFL players.

The elder Winslow, of course, is a Hall of Fame tight end and is regarded as a man who, in his nine-year career with the San Diego Chargers (1979-87), reinvented the position. Edwards' father, Stanley Edwards, was a running back with the Houston Oilers (1982-86) and the Detroit Lions (1987).

Both fathers are old-school, no-nonsense men, players who understood that, to succeed in the NFL, athletic talent had to be matched by work ethic, mental toughness and perseverance. So, from the time the current Browns tandem was old enough to wade through the bloodied and balled-up tape and the discarded athletic supporters that litter the floor of every NFL locker room, they witnessed firsthand what separated the guys who make it in the league from the ones who don't.

Even at an early age, exposure to the league and the sage advice of their NFL fathers clearly left an indelible impression.

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The Browns' new offense should help Braylon Edwards maximize his big-play potential.

"I don't know that it helped me through the tough times, you know, those [first] two years," said Winslow, referring to a two-season stretch in which he appeared in only two games. "I do know, though, that it made me appreciate and love the game more than I maybe otherwise would have. As a kid, I saw players -- my father included -- overcome a lot … and that really stuck with me."

His own setbacks, including one infamously self-inflicted incident that nearly cost Winslow his career, haven't diminished that passion, but they certainly reduced his overall productivity until last season. The sixth overall player chosen in 2004, Winslow fractured his right fibula in the second game of his rookie campaign when he jumped into a pile trying to recover an onside kick. He then mangled his right knee and sustained myriad serious internal injuries in a spring 2005 motorcycle accident.

Even after a breakthrough 2006 season in which he caught 89 passes for 875 yards, tying the franchise single-season receptions mark of Hall of Fame tight end Ozzie Newsome, his right knee was so bothersome that on Jan. 30 Winslow underwent the always-dicey microfracture surgical procedure to seek relief. Before every practice session now, the former University of Miami star goes through a tedious one-hour routine -- massage therapy, heat treatments, cold treatments -- just to loosen up the knee and get onto the field.

Said Winslow: "Believe me, people don't know the half of it, and they don't want to. But to me, it's worth it because it's what I have to do to play. And I definitely love to play. This is my passion. It's all I've ever really wanted to do."

Edwards' interests might be a bit more diverse, but his love for the game and his commitment to do whatever it takes to approach his immense potential is just as unwavering. The former Michigan star tore the anterior cruciate ligament of his right knee in the second half of his 2005 rookie season, then battled a staph infection. He rehabilitated diligently to return much sooner than anticipated, and the long hours spent working out with Winslow resulted in a friendship forged through perspiration and determination.

Playing in all 16 games in 2006, including 15 starts, Edwards registered 61 catches for 884 yards and six touchdowns.

Performing in yet another new offensive design, this one formulated by first-year coordinator Rob Chudzinski, speedy Edwards is certain his improved numbers of last year are merely a starting point. The Browns seem to change offensive coordinators and systems almost annually, and the revolving door has resulted in a lack of stability and a dearth of production.

But in Chudzinski, both Edwards and Winslow concur, the Browns finally seem to have hit upon a guy whose passing-game paradigm will enhance the playmaking skills of the former first-round choices.

Sitting in a hallway of the team's complex here before the Thursday practice, mentally reviewing the offensive ills of the past, Edwards recalled a time when the Cleveland attack was so predictable that opposing cornerbacks were calling out his pass routes as soon as he approached the line of scrimmage.

"Guys over on the other side of the line," Edwards said, shaking his head, "knew our offense as [well] as we did."

The offense installed by Chudzinski, a former tight end, is -- as Winslow described it -- "tight end-friendly." It is a sophisticated and synergistic, triangular-based offense that stresses the vertical passing game and an attack mode. And though some questions remain about who the trigger man will be in 2007, Edwards -- the guy who spent two seasons questioning himself about his place here -- figures the Browns already have the answers as to whether they possess sufficient bullets to make it all work. He should have a clearer picture of the Browns' offense after Saturday's preseason opener against the Chiefs.

"Oh, yeah, we've got the people," Edwards said. "Me and Kellen, the onus is on us."

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Well,from what's been reported,BE still had the "dropsies" in camp.

I hope it's behind him and he gets the fundamentals down. Because that's what's seperating greatness from mediocrity for him.

As Browns fans,all we can hope for is the best.

KW2 is perplexing. Can he or will he EVER be the same guy he was before the motorcycle accident? Eighty five percent of KW2 is better than 100% of the vast majority of TE's in the NFL. But it's not the 100% that we drafted.

Only time will answer these questions...................

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Triple,, thanks for the read.. Good stuff

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It's time to stop worrying about all the questions and to concentrate on providing some answers. It's time for me to just play some football."





A lot of us have been saying this for a while. Nice to hear it coming from Edwards own mouth.., Good to hear,


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Edwards recalled a time when the Cleveland attack was so predictable that opposing cornerbacks were calling out his pass routes as soon as he approached the line of scrimmage.




It's a wonder we scored at all last season. I'm totally psyched to see Chud's new schemes.

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Well,from what's been reported,BE still had the "dropsies" in camp.




Just as he did at Michigan. For all the talent he has, he was always KIND of a risk, in my opinion.

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My Braylon Edwards mantra remains unchanged:

actions > words.


I'll resume listening to him when I see production. At this point, every minute he spends in front of a microphone is a minute he could have spent working on his game.


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Excellent read, Triple!

Thanks for posting.

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The offense installed by Chudzinski, a former tight end, is -- as Winslow described it -- "tight end-friendly." It is a sophisticated and synergistic, triangular-based offense that stresses the vertical passing game and an attack mode.




This is what we've been hearing about the offense. Now let's see of the players execute that attacking style of offense that they talk about. No more predictability as to what this team is going to run on 1st and 10. Can't wait for tomorrow.

I don't care what tomorrow's outcome is, I just want to see something different on offense from the first teamers.


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"For my first two years here," said Edwards, the third player selected in the 2005 draft, "I spent a lot of time asking myself a lot of questions. 'Why isn't this turning out the way that it was supposed to be? Is this how it's destined to be? Can it happen here and with this team? Is it possible to win here?'




I thought this was pretty interesting. As time has gone on, I really think that this team is getting a shot of morale, and seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (even if it's still a very long tunnel that lasts into next season). Hopefully we can get a winning attitude in the locker room, similar to how Lewis instilled that in the Bengals. Now, instilling it in the fans? That could take a while....


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Braylon has been saying all the right things this off season. Now it's time for him to step up and make the big plays. For the record I'm predicting a breakout out year for Braylon. As for Winslow i'm positive he'll get the job done. It is nice to hear that the players finally like the coordinator in place. There should be no excuses this year. Put up the numbers or shut up.

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Mrmojo, I'm hoping you are right about BE and the Break Out season....that would be terrific


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My Braylon Edwards mantra remains unchanged:

actions > words.


I'll resume listening to him when I see production. At this point, every minute he spends in front of a microphone is a minute he could have spent working on his game.




You and me both. He has a little too much Gerrad Warren in him for my taste.

He has all the tools to be sucsessful here in Cleveland with Winslow keeping coverages honest, and a big arm from Quinn.

He just needs to shut up and get to work.


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these two will do great things this season..


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HotB,,, the potential is there,,,, without a doubt,,it's there


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Good read, I think we are finally seeing signs of maturity from these two. Maybe now they will be more prone to take constructive critsism from coaches and get better at their positions.

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I am hoping for big things from both but am keeping fingers crossed that they can stay healthy and produce. I like that they believe in themselves but hope that they do not out talk their performances. I am fine with throwing a barb here and there but when you are constantly talking and not producing, there is a problem. Keep mouth shut and produce big numbers then talk.


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I have no respect for Len Pasqualli - as he stated on ESPN that our entire OL situation is in massive dissaray despite all the efforts of Savage to correct it.

Tucker all of a sudden is a veteran Pro-Bowler that is irreplaceable...
Steinbach's 2 week hiatus seems to have grown eternally according to Len.
And he states that all we got is 40% of our Starters.

So basically he is claiming calamity cause Shaffer isn't playing LT and some low level talent has replaced him there in the form of Joe Thomas.

What he doesn't tell all is that for the first time the Browns has depth.
Shaffer has moved to RT during Tucker's absence (4 games).
Joe Thomas the overall #3 pick is taking his spot maybe a week sooner than expected.
And yes, the Browns will have to suffer with having the Cerebal Friedman subbing for Steinbach for a couple of meaningless Pre-season games.

I fail to see the dissarray and calamity he professed on ESPN...I'm sick of these guys and sorry I posted this rant as I'm sure the thread wasn't about our OL - just saw him name and threw up.

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Yeah, I also saw that on ESPN, and I was like, "what the hell is he talking about?"

He acted like Steiner was going to be out for the whole season or something, I don't get it, he always slams the Browns for some reason.


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Yeah, I also saw that on ESPN, and I was like, "what the hell is he talking about?"

He acted like Steiner was going to be out for the whole season or something, I don't get it, he always slams the Browns for some reason.




I've been wondering...

Who the hell is Steiner?

Only Steiners I know of are Rick and Scott Steiner.

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