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The quarterback position has evolved over the past decade. Kids now start getting specialized training as young as 7. The good ones go to a lot of camps during their high school career and get coached up very well. Not to mention they play in much more pass happy leagues than guys before them. Dalton, Flacco, Big Ben and many others didn't have those opportunities like today's youth. Honestly, I think the schools are making a lot of these kids more ready to play the game.

I concur with that assessment, I look around the league and I see a great deal of success coming from young prospects.

One thing for certain IMO, if you don't have one you better get one, and you can't be scared off by the possibility of failure.

I think Dorsey and company will get it right they set it up to give whomever they choose time to acclimate to the NFL. I think this is being done just right BTW, we will get this right this time, the draft is very intriguing and there is more smoke then I can remember ever seeing.

It's JMHO but the big prize in this draft is the QB, we must come away with the best one whomever that happens to be. We are in the drivers seat in this draft and that feels damned good play our cards right and we can set this organization up for the next 10-15 years and hopefully beyond.

My point if there is one get a QB the best QB, the rest will take care of itself. No more can kicking this is the draft, and we are swinging for the fences..

IMO the #4 pick is the most interesting pick in any draft I can remember played correctly and we could parlay that pick for future draft capital and still come away with Bark or Chubb. If QB's (likely) go 1-2-3, 4 is the end of the QB line who wants to make a mega deal for that pick. The Jets clearly are going QB and IMO the Giants are drafting a QB as well that leaves one top prospect. I think Denver wants a QB I play them like I own them and get an unheard of bounty for their trouble.

If I am the Browns I start chumming a few days before the draft and see who takes the bait and what they are willing to offer. It's important to access who the players are, and what we want from them to move, could be 1 this year with 1 next and a top player of need/upgrade and we will need to have an idea where that future 1 will likely fall. But if a team is likely to lose this year like Houston was kind enough to do I may even go back further if I can get their 1 now 1 next and a player? The price I think for 4 this year is going to be impossible not to consider.

I believe the Giants are trying desperately to play the Browns their problem is we are in the drivers seat not them. I think their trying to get us to trade up to 2 and in the end will take a QB. But man the smoke coming out of NY is noticeable.

Taylor was ranked 14th best QB in 2017, which means we have one of the top 15 as our starting point. He has Landry, Gordon, Njoku, the running back tandem of Duke/Hyde. The defense has promise. Let's see what the draft brings.

Interesting. Yes, a lot of those #1 overall picks were consensus best prospects. That could've been due to either their potential, the lack of potential in their peers, or both.

In those same drafts, the number of other QB prospects drafted in the top 10 (so, by inference, considered to be franchise prospects), were:

1 (Leaf)
2 (Smith, McNabb)
0
1 (Harrington)
1 (Leftwich)
1 (Rivers)
0
0
1 (Sanchize)
0
0
1 (Locker)
2 (RG3, Tannehill)
1 (Mariota)
1 (Wentz)

So, only 2 times was there more than 1 other QB taken top 10. The idea that 4 are almost locks to go in the top 10 this year...kind of unprecedented. Given that the league has had plenty years without a QB taken at 1, or even top 5, it's hard for me to believe this is all hype.

Will all of these guys pan out? Unlikely. My only point was that history would suggest if we go with consensus best prospect (Darnold, according to Casserly's private poll), we'll most likely have a QB to lead this team for a decade.

I agree with that. Taylor's been as high as 12, and my optimistic half says our pass-catchers and Haley should help him get up there again. I'd be fine with our rookie not seeing the field for a few years, if Taylor's play warrants it.

did I just read that right . you said Dan Pastorini
was the best you ever you seen?
I seen a lot of the qbs from his time period
I'm sorry but he was far from being great.
even when the Oilers built their offense around Earl Campbell....his numbers were very average
I can think of 10 qbs from that Era that was better than him.

Bradshaw
Grogan
Hart
Anderson
Tarkenton
Griese
Sipe
Staubach
Jones
Manning

his td to.int ratio was horrible
he never threw for more tds than ints.
his numbers were very aligned with most Browns qbs since 1999.
I just wonder how many games you saw Pastorini
play considering the Oilers were not team that was on national TV until Campbell arrived
and I doubt the Oilers were shown in the New York market that often unless they played the Jets/Giants

I am not trying to be argumentative with my comments but I remember these guys well so I just want to make some comments. I ma not taking the time to look any of this up , just going by memory so I may have some errors in here, again just my opinion.

I think Bradshaw is one of the most overrated HOF QBs along with Troy Akemon.

Bradshaw won because of a great line, Franco Harris and 2 great receivers, but every bit as much because of defense. If memory serves one year the Steelers made the playoffs, and possibly won the ,the Steelers started 1-4 (in a 14 game season)and then won 9 in a row and I swear I remember 5 or 6 of those being shutouts.

Grogan was decent. I assume you mean Jim Hart, former Cardinal QB. I always thought he was decent on a bad team/organization.

Ken Anderson & Brian & Brian Sipe are perfect examples of why I think that the idea teams must have a great QB, at least back then was wrong. It depended just as much on the team around them.

Sipe was awesome in 1980 then in 1981 injuries hit to the OL especially, I think Henry Sheppard & maybe Joe D and Sipe's stats and the season went south.

Ken Anderson was getting booed out of Riverfront stadium in 1980 & early 1981. They wanted him replaced with either Jack Thompson or Turk Shonert I forget which. Week one and 2 of the 81 SB season Anderson started both and played terribly and was replaced. THey came back to win both with the backup but Anderson kept his job and went on to be player of the year. In my opinion it was because for two-three years in a row they drafted OL and they finally started to jell. By the 81 season about game 6 or 8 they were very good. The OL guys drafted were Munoz, Montoya & Bush.

BY Jones I assume you mean Bert. My memory of him was big staring arm, not much else.

Regarding Pastorini I thought he as decent but the oilers were bad for too long and he was beaten up. Even with the 2 Earl Campbell years I think his confidence was shot. Interesting tidbit on Pastorini I am pretty sure he was the Oiler's first round pick and the same year their second pick was also a QB, Lynn Dickey.

Sorry this was so long, just brought back a lot of memories.

I think we are in a good slot no matter who we take. I think at worst we will end up with a decent QB.

I know that might not satisfy many, but at this point I am good with that if that's how it turns out.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/4/12/17227604/nfl-draft-intangibles-scouting-evaluation

I stopped reading after I saw that you thought Troy Aikman was overrated. When you start a post with something that silly, I have to stop. Troy Aikman was one of the best QBs of the last generation. 3-0 in the Super Bowl. He is a legend.