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In mocks, I keep seeing the Giants taking Barkley, Nelson, or Chubb.

Let's assume we take Darnold at #1. Do people seriously believe the Giants will not take Eli Manning's replacement at pick #2?

In my opinion they don't have a choice. Manning has been in decline, and they have to snag up his replacement now. From some articles I've read about next years QB class, it isn't that great. And the Giants may not be in position to draft a QB this high in the draft again. Why would they blow this opportunity to draft the heir to Manning?

If I was a Giants fan, and they drafted anyone other than a QB or even traded down, I'd be furious. They absolutely need to take a QB.

Please, try to change my mind.

if i was the giants, i absolutely would.

It's not like Eli manning has been playing quality football as of late. he's been on the decline.

if we do take Darnold #1, i would expect them to take Rosen #2.

I agree. That's why I don't understand all the voices that have them taking anything but a QB.

Even in the board mock draft, the poster only has them taking a QB if Darnold goes to us at #1.

I certainly don't see them taking barkley #2, but Chubb? i mean its a legit possibility.

but IMO, if they don't take a QB at 2, they are probably gonna trade back. i think buffalo is a serious contender to trade up.

but i think they go QB #2, because this draft has a good class to choose from. the giants have been a far more stable organization than we have, so i expect them to go ahead and draft the guy, and pair a young QB with OBJ, if he does stay.

My biggest concern is that the Giants decide to take Chubb at 2. I don't see him as being a fit there ..... but teams have been known to draft even if the fit isn't there .....

It would be somewhat of a surprise if they did not draft QB or trade out of the 2nd selection.

Whosoever they pass on, they will have to live with that QB in all probability being across town for the next decade to remind them of who they past on.

Great point - didn't think of that.

If they both take QBs, they'll be a little extra in the rivalry dept the next few years.

he might not be bro, but we've seen 4-3 d lineman in college do good as a DE in a 3-4 scheme.

This means, of course, that the Giants do not believe that Davis Webb (last year's 3rd rounder) can be their QB of the future. Considering he saw zero snaps last year, Shurmer had him highly rated coming out of college, and that they have 2 weeks with him starting the 11th, that may be correct. It may not be correct too.

Regardless...Looking at Eli's career - he's been all over the board his entire career - good year, great year, bad year, average year - and more of good, bad, and average than great. It is hard to say he's declined because he's declined a few times. Add in that he had a poor OL last year and had a running game to match, how much of last year is on Eli?

I'm not saying he's not declining, he may very well be, but it is hard to tell outside of their building. I think that makes it hard for us to determine what they'll do.

If they have faith in Eli for at least one more year and/or that Webb is a viable starter - then they are likely going Barkley, Chubb, Nelson (outside chance) or trade down for more picks. If they don't, then QB it is. They're the hardest team in the draft (or at least top 10) to peg.

Here’s what I think based on Darnold being gone:

If Buffalo were to offer 12, 22, next year's first rounder and maybe more to move to #2, they have to consider it (and could use some of that to move up to #4 if someone they wanted fell).

If Denver were to offer #5, next year's first, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder, they'd take it - because at least 2 of the 4 QBs/Chubb/Barkley will be there for them, they add a pick this year and get another first rounder next year.

If they stay at 2, I think they draft a QB and I’d think Rosen is their preference.

I think the Giants will take Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold at #2. Then my bold prediction for the draft is between days 1 and 2 the Giants will trade Eli Manning to the Broncos for a 3rd and 5th round draft picks.

I'll take it one further and say the top three selections will all be used on quarterbacks. My guess - (CLE) Darnold, (NYG) Rosen, (NYJ) Mayfield. There is a lot of Mayfield-to-Jets buzz and I'm starting to wonder if that's occurring because the draft order is largely known.

This isn't overly original, on my part. Jordan Raanan of ESPN claims an NFL personnel source and an executive both messaged him last week expressing their belief the top three selections will be quarterbacks. Which isn't overly original on his part, as this has been a growing sentiment for some time.

It's now widely believed the Browns are going to take Darnold. Rosen has long been linked to the Giants. Mayfield-Jets rumors have been running hot for a while.

I wonder how much of this is leaked. This is around the time of the year that the leaks start. I'm a believer that it's intentionally done to clue the fan base in because shockers on draft night can be met with kneejerk reactions - a fan base given a two week window in to having a fair idea with who will be taken gives people a chance to watch some highlights, pump themselves up for it and thus be more receptive.

I have no idea what will happen with #4. If three quarterbacks are already off the board, how willing would the Bills be to move up for the #4 quarterback? I'd assume that's Allen, but there have been a lot of comments regarding the Bills actually being hot for Mason Rudolph - the question is how likely it is his name is called early.

Then again, I have no idea what we'll do at #4. I'm assuming the top three picks are quarterbacks - does that mean Barkley, in spite of Dorsey's history of not taking running backs early? Does it mean someone like Ward or Williams, a reach to secure the top CB/OT but both a position of need and a high value position likely to be a top 10 pick regardless?

Who knows. I'm really thinking the Giants take a quarterback, however.

That's pretty bold. I can't see Eli getting his pink slip this season no matter who they draft.

to me, they should take Darnold or Rosen ... just like we should

I agree. I read somewhere that the only QB the Giants would draft is Darnold.

No doubt that at this time of the year, everything you see and hear has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Eli is at the end of the road. The Giants sit at #2 in strong QB draft class, they won't be in this position again. They MUST take a QB here, it's a no brainer.

j/c

The part of the puzzle we aren't looking at is Davis Webb. Is he capable of taking the reins from Manning? If he is, they will most likely take Barkley and give Manning/Webb a legitimate running threat. If he isn't, then they can't pass up this opportunity to draft a QB. It all depends on Webb, and only they know if he can do it.

A QB is going #2. It will probably be the Giants, for the reasons you describe. It could conceivably be a team that trades up to #2 (Bills?). The Giants surely wouldn't turn down that haul to take a RB, G, or DE. But I think it'll be Rosen or whoever is their top QB remaining when they pick.

What the Giants are gonna do should be no concern to Dorsey, if Chubb and Barkley are both there at 4 he takes Chubb if not Barkley. His whole focus now should be on the 2nd round. Browns can get 2 first round talents here. This is the key to this draft.

The giants can play it like everything is on the table like we are but they will take a QB, and thats the only thing that truly makes sense.

Whomever we want to go with our QB will be there are #4 I would focus on that more so then who the Giants will take.

They are a very stable organization in a draft loaded with QB's and with Eli nearing the end this truly is a no brainier.

1.2.3 go the QB's #4 is on the clock!

Giants will take Rosen. I heard Mara is smitten with him and the other owner likes him even more.

The only QB the Giants will take is Darnold - that is the word in this neck of the woods. If the Browns take Darnold, the Giants would like to trade out (Bills most likely) for a bounty of picks. If that does not happen, Barkley or Chubb.

I read that they were very impressed with his table manners. Because that's important ...

You know these old money guys. But Aaron Rodgers said the 49ers passed on him because Nolan saw Alex Smith open the car door for his Mom when they went to lunch. Maybe that's why Lamar's agent is his mother?

That's just an added bonus to being the most talented QB in the draft.

I would think if Nelson was their plan they would have taken the Jets trade down offer. It is a QB.

I read the GM of the Giants said he was NEVER approached by the Jets for the 2 slot..

If the Giants are win NOW, I'd suspect Chubb/Barkley

I think all of this Nelson talk in the top 5 is simply fluff. I don't recall a G EVER being selected in the top 10. It's not like the LT, CB, DE, QB positions. It's simply not valued that highly.

Eli has diminishing skills. If they actually go with the "win now" theory I think they would go Barkley. And even at that, it won't make Eli any better.

If they fail to go QB at #2 it will be a decision that will haunt them.

I agree, I see him going top 6 easily

I'm hoping teams start getting QB antsy (if we trade back)

1985 #2 Bill Fralic by Atlanta
1993 #9 Lincoln Kennedy by Atlanta
2001 #2 Leonard Davis by Arizona
2013 #7 Jonathan Cooper by Arizona

I found that while searching just a handful of teams.

It could happen. But can you name me one time when a G was drafted in the top 10 of the NFL draft?

Sure, someone could make that mistake. You don't seem to understand the value of different positions on the OL.

Well it wasn’t even that long ago where people said RBs aren’t getting taken high in the draft anymore.

And yet.....

yea, you don't put all your eggs in a basket with a late round pick who didn't even see the field.

its why the bills are trying to move up. you can't put your hopes in nathan peterman.

however, is it out of the realm that the bills and giants trade with each other, and the giants pick a guy like mason rudolph at 12?