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Ooh, I wouldn't say that. Brady Quinn was pretty bad. I've never seen Brady Quinn play as well as I've seen Geno sometimes play.

I was so surprised with how bad Brady actually was. He looked the part and everything, yet he was innaccurate as all hell and didn't try to push the ball down the field either. Weak, inaccurate arm on him

I was gonna say the same thing ... it was shocking just how bad Quinn was. He was one of the worst QBs we've ever fielded (and that's saying something)

lol, remember how he had a subway commercial as soon the summer he got drafted? Didn't Johnny Manziel have a subway commercial to go along with his snickers commercials?

Should have realized that sign with Johnny. Guy isn't even playing in the games and he's doing commercials. Not a good track record on those ones

Yeah, and Charlie Frye was on the McDonald's commercial too IIRC ... let's ban commercials for QBs (or just ban bad QBs)

lol, well my point was it was QBs doing national commercials, when they haven't even started a game yet (which was the case for Brady and Johnny)


But sure, no commercials for Browns QBs till we see some sort of consistent quality play

Well Quinn went to Notre Dame. Going to Notre Dame requires a lot of our fathers and hail mary's.

Brady Quinn was bad. Who's worst? The guy that evaluated and drafted him!!!

Yeah, I struggle to recall a QB that looked the part as much as he did while playing as bad as he did. Crazy.

As for the initial quote, if memory serves me right, Brady Quinn was also unable to land a Hail Mary in bounds... which would make them equally bad.

BQ couldn't throw a long one in bounds. If irc he did it on a Monday or Thursday night game and Jon Gruden commented on it; negatively of course!

Remember when Colt McCoy faced 4th down ..... was pressured, and threw the ball at least 5 yards out of bounds.

I seem to recall that he did it again that same season.

Which is worse, that or this lol.

That's Flipper!

We have had some really horrible QB play over the years.

I'll never forget that play .. going from complete anger for about 15 seconds ... to compete hilarity and on the ground laughing

I realized it totally cost us the game ... then realized the game didn't mean a thing and what a joke we were

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bust draft ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Browns.

The only thing that made it even worse was when he did it AGAIN (I think it was the following week?).

That picture is incredibly haunting.

extremely

J/C

Looking over the new roster, and projections of the depth chart, one thing I love about what Dorsey has done with the free agents (and trades) is put the Browns in position to fully target the best player available. We needed depth at QB, RB, WR, OL and DB. We've now got plenty. None of those positions are such a pressing need that BPA is overtaken by need.

That's one thing I've felt the Browns have too consistently done throughout the years - taken a player because he's needed rather than taking a player because he's unequivocally the best guy to take.

Of course, need will always play a role due to positional importance and the fortifications of a roster, but it won't happen in such a way that it attracts lesser or more uncertain talent.

Perhaps it is simply more obvious given the overwhelming quantity of youth that was on the roster the last two years, but the addition of solid veteran talent across the board is a welcome reprieve from the inundation of youth - both on game day and when it comes to determining player acquisition.

Lesson learned? I sure hope so.

good point, after #1 when we take a QB ... we really have MANY options at #4, #33, and #35. We haven't boxed ourselves in at any position IMO ... we don't have any glaring needs (as strange as that is to say after going 0-16)

UGh... my son and I came all the way from Texas to see that....

The best was Paul MacDonald who threw the ball out of bounds on fourth down to stop the clock.

I dont agree ... we still need at least 1 CB and a FS and a RT ... if u guys are fine counting on a FS that hasn’t played the position since college and wasn’t a stud coming out ... thats your call ...

Are we better at these positions ... ABSOLUTELY .... but were still lacking in some areas that i would consider NEEDS ....

I’m not slamming Dorsey ... i just think u guys are over rating some of our pick ups ...

I agree, perhaps it might dissuade a later round selection, but nothing should be off the board with our early selections, because we have yet to see the fruits of our labors in FA and some might be nothing more then a bridge or some security in the event that the draft would not fall as to checking off of those needs.

RGIII signing with the Ravens.

Glad he found a job.

I liked RG III. As it turned out, we probably should have kept him. The problem is, he is entirely too brittle to be a starting Quarterback, even with a decent OLine. He will, however, make a decent backup to Flacco. Good luck to him, just not against the Browns.

Glad it’s with the Ravens.

Brutally honest Johnny Manziel says if Browns had done homework, they would have known he was lazy

Johnny Manziel’s attempt at a second chance in the NFL is continuing; after throwing at the Pro Day of his college alma mater, Texas A&M, last week, Manziel’s media tour continued on Wednesday with an appearance on “The Dan Patrick Show.”

And while one part of a long answer is getting a lot of attention – he told Patrick that if the Cleveland Browns had done their homework, they would have known he was lazy at the time – the entirety of what Manziel said tells a bit of a different story.

There are seemingly some elements in this of Manziel passing the buck, but he’s also being brutally honest about what happened to him as a rookie in 2014.

Patrick asks Manziel if he’d want a mulligan to use for his rookie year, how would he use it, and Manziel launches into his response.


Johnny Manziel said if he could do it over again, he would have spent a lot more time getting ready for his rookie NFL season, studying his playbook and how to be a professional quarterback. (AP)
“If you would give me the mulligan, the mulligan would have had to come right after I got drafted,” he said. “I see successful guys in the NFL, and what they do in the offseason, and the time that they put in, that makes them good players. Yes, they’re athletically gifted, but guys are good in the NFL because they know film, they study hard, and they work even harder in the offseason. I didn’t know that.

“And I feel like…if Cleveland did any of their homework, they would have known that I was a guy that didn’t come in every day and watch film, I was a guy that didn’t really know the Xs and Os of football. I played in a spread offense. We looked at bubbles, we looked at flats, we had progression reads across the field; it wasn’t like it was a super-intricate pro system. So when I get to Cleveland, there’s a quarterback in the room with me that’s not helping me [presumably Brian Hoyer, who started 13 games that season]. And it’s not really his job to, but nobody was there really helping me go over the Xs and Os and it was hard. I struggled.

“And then getting on the practice field, I lost a lot of confidence after my first couple days there. This was the first time in my life, at least (since) my freshman year of high school, that I wasn’t playing really well, that I didn’t come out the first day and throw the ball around and make a lot of completions and score touchdowns and everything – I struggled.

“And from there, that’s when the depression started to come, that’s when some things mental health-wise started to really change what was going on in my life, but I would go back to after the draft and getting with someone, or putting in extra time, or whatever it was, to make sure that I really, genuinely understood what was going on. There was a lot of winging it and not a lot of knowing exactly what I was doing because it was a hard transition for me. I didn’t know everything.

“The next year, when I got with Josh McCown, that guy was like, ‘listen: if you want to, you can come with me everyday. You can get here when I get here, you can leave when I leave, if you want to be good, just follow what I’m doing. I’ve been doing this for a long time, and there’s a reason that I’m still in the league this long down the road.’ Me and him got along great.”

Patrick interjected, “He’s a good dude. He really is,” speaking of McCown.

“He’s awesome,” Manziel said enthusiastically. “He gave me a blueprint, and that’s something that I still have to this day: he gave me a nice blueprint of what it takes to be a solid pro, and I’m very thankful to Josh and all that he did for me in Cleveland.”

Manziel also told Patrick there’s “very much” still a chance that he will end up playing in the Canadian Football League.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/brutally-ho...-154659076.html


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Sorry Johnny.. If you want a Mulligan, go join Tony Romo in the PGA.

I'm not going to requote that Manziel article.

That part about us doing our homework does sound a bit like passing the buck, but it's also not wrong. Manziel wasn't even the most egregious example of not doing homework IN THAT ROUND. Gilbert was drafted way before Manziel.

I'm just going to stop myself there, this article deserves its own thread...

It is passing the buck, but I'll give the credit where credit is due (imo), this is probably the most honest and accountable/responsible Manziel has ever sounded. If I cared one lick about Manziel the QB, I'd go and listen to the interview to try to get the tone of the whole thing.

It does sound like passing the buck. Problem being a lot of us posters were saying he was a lazy party animal before we drafted him. Some people refused to look at his character. When looking at this draft, some are still doing it today.

Who's refusing to look at his character now?

The point I was trying to make is that previous sound clips from Manziel lately have shown that he's not quite ready to take accountability for the dumpster fire that he called an NFL career (thus far). This article is the closest thing that I've read to him doing that, so a little credit is deserved, imo.

RT? Didn't we just spent 36.5 million on one?

In light of our past products ("JM and Flipper and Brady! Oh, my!"), our due diligence needs more due diligence. If we have learned ANYTHING . . . well, "Trust me!" won't work once, much less twice. We can't trust our guts; waiting to watch game films instead of owning bad play doesn't result in improvements in players OR interviews. Our judgment is suspect with good cause. We are way too fancy with a bone-bruising game.

Hope that is a corner we just turned, because I would hate to run out of corners. Trust me on that one.

For anyone’s contract today ... i’m not concerned with the total amount and the total length .... i focus more on the gauranteed money and when time wise it gets to the point where it becomes very easy to cut ..

I have NO CLUE what those numbers are for him and i could care less .... hes not a very good RT ... Joe’s retirement and the plan how to fill it created an even HUGER HOLE then when Coleman manned it last year ... Dorsey did what he could ... I have no clue of we did or not .... but i really hope we made a HUGE PUSH for Soldjier ..

Dorsey did what he could ... LETS ALL HOPE I’M WRONG and dude is better than what i’ve seen ..

That makes ZERO SENSE.

How abouth this .. RG III was the last QB we had to win a game, but he was brittle, injured often, so much so that he could not be counted on as a starter .. so he was cut.. but in hind site.. after a year of Kizer/Hogan/Kessler and 0 -16 .. we would probably have been better off to keeping him .. we may have won some games. Now he is in the best position for himself. He is getting paid.. he is a backup, who just may never see the field, but if he does .. he may survive long enough for Flacco to get back on the field. He will not be counted on as the starter.