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Maybe we'll know more if a real OC is hired or Hue puppet. This is a Veteran QB thread. There are already threads created for you to trash Hue. Please take your crap there.
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If that doesn't speak "toughness," I don't know what does.
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Not trashing Hue. It was about the veteran QB being determined by who the OC may or may not be. It's related to both, so take a pill man.
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We aren't going to bring in an OC who will overhaul the offense. Not happening. I doubt we even hire an OC to call plays.
Those things are Hue's strengths, despite what some posters say. There was a reason he got hired and it wasn't to be a conductor. He is a good offensive schemer and play caller who has helped QBs improve.
All the rewriting of his past history will not change that. So again, can we get back to Vet QBs?
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If you don't care about the hand you're dealt and that you should win with it anyway, I strongly suggest you avoid playing poker. Ask Doyle Brunson why they call the "10 and 2" hand, the Doyle Brunson.
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I don't get it. Is he a vet QB?
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Just pointing out that poker would be a poor example.
They call it the Doyle Brunson because Doyle won back to back World Series of Poker bracelets with that hand in consecutive years.
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Awesome. Who cares about freaking poker on a Vet QB thread?
What would you think of the following QB rooms:
Rosen or Donald
McCarron
Kizer
Smith
Darnold
Kizer
Cousins
Kizer
Kessler
Rosen
Kizer
Moore/Stanton
I have more options but don't want to overwhelm.
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I'd probably take the 2nd or the 3rd option.
I don't like the vet QB's in the other two options.
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Thanks.
What is your ideal QB room for next year. I am only asking if one of mine aren't your favorite. There are several options. What do you think?
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Awesome. Who cares about freaking poker on a Vet QB thread?
What would you think of the following QB rooms:
Rosen or Donald
McCarron
Kizer
Smith
Darnold
Kizer
Cousins
Kizer
Kessler
Rosen
Kizer
Moore/Stanton
I have more options but don't want to overwhelm. Honestly, all look good to me. I mean, everything has its pluses and minuses. Also the factors that aren't added in (cost of Cousins, draft picks for McCaron or UDFA?, same with Smith) But all look fine to me, especially if Josh Rosen's medical comes through okay. The concussion thing has me nervous. Rosen looks the part of a good NFL QB. You just watch him play and it screams NFL QB at you. But concussions can really de-rail a career, and I'm hoping this number 1 pick stays here for a long time ALA Joe Thomas. But all those options look strong to me. Although, if Cousins was our QB, I'd like a new backup instead of Kessler. I just don't think Cody will ever have it anymore. He really regressed this year
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I'd keep Kizer, Draft either Rosen or Darnold and choose any of the following...
Kirk Cousins
Drew Brees
Case Keenum
Sam Bradford
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I would want an UFA Veteran QB. If we are going to spend # 1 or # 4 on a QB, I do not like the idea of spending multiple picks trading for a vet. The Browns need too many play makers to be wasting picks. I seriously doubt if there can be a Trade made for a vet, we would want ( Smith or McCaron ), that would not include 1 or more second round picks.
If the Browns get Cousins in FA, I see no need for Rosen or Darnold because Cousins is proven, and is still young enough to be a long term solution to the QB problem. Then perhaps the Browns could go for a developmental QB lower in the draft ( 4th round or lower ), as a backup ( I am not sold on Kizer as a # 2, if we can help it ).
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I liked Chase Daniels in college, but I think I've only seen him play once in the NFL and I can't remember how he did. Dorsey did mention him in a positive way recently.
Obviously, I could be dead wrong, but I have a feeling our QB room next year will be:
Rosen/Darnold
McCarron
Kizer
What would you think of that?
I think it looks awfully similar to our QB room this past season, three inexperienced QBs. I'd like more experience from our vet. I'd rather get Smith, signing him to a 3-year deal and drafting Darnold/Rosen at #1. Done. Smith won't need babysitting as do those other three. I know Smith will cost a lot. But I'm tired of shooting for value and falling short of the impact player we need. Except for Garrett, that's what we've done the past two seasons, and here we are, the worst team in the history of the NFL. Sitting on the assets we currently have now is not the time to save 30-bucks and see if we can "make do". When you tally it up it's a lot to pay out for the QB room, but I'm tired of throwing the rookie into the fire or bridging him with crap. In other words, let's quit concerning ourselves so much with "value" and just fix that position. Smith - One/Two, even three-year starter if he's still killin' it. Kizer - Backup Darnold/Rosen - Main focus as the future. Sit the first year for sure. Acclimate to the NFL without being overwhelmed by being pressured. And maybe sit the entire second season as well as he continues to learn. As he passes Kizer, and I believe he will, he can move into the backup spot. Darnold or Rosen. I don't think any of the rest are as deserving. Hell, in some drafts neither of these two would be in consideration at #1.
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How much do you trade to land Smith?
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If the Browns get Cousins in FA, I see no need for Rosen or Darnold because Cousins is proven, and is still young enough to be a long term solution to the QB problem. Then perhaps the Browns could go for a developmental QB lower in the draft ( 4th round or lower ), as a backup ( I am not sold on Kizer as a # 2, if we can help it ).
I don't see why signing Cousins precludes drafting Rosen or Darnold. There is no guarantee Cousins (or any player for that matter) doesn't have a career altering injury. Or maybe Rosen or Darnold, 2 or 3 yrs into the future, are just plain better. Why not have a star in waiting behind Cousins? (Assuming we can even sign him.)
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Ok, there needs to be a reality check.
No feasible starting QB is going to Cleveland to be a placeholder for Darnold/Rosen or whom ever else the team would likely draft.
If the Browns make a commitment to Cousins, Bridgewater or Taylor would that be significant enough to move away from drafting a QB? It is probably not Taylor, as his is ok, but not something that would preclude drafting another QB.
I think there will be a lot of backups waiting until after the draft to make a decision. It makes no sense to commit to a team, only to be displaced by a first round draft choice.
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If the Browns get Cousins in FA, I see no need for Rosen or Darnold because Cousins is proven, and is still young enough to be a long term solution to the QB problem. Then perhaps the Browns could go for a developmental QB lower in the draft ( 4th round or lower ), as a backup ( I am not sold on Kizer as a # 2, if we can help it ).
I don't see why signing Cousins precludes drafting Rosen or Darnold. There is no guarantee Cousins (or any player for that matter) doesn't have a career altering injury. Or maybe Rosen or Darnold, 2 or 3 yrs into the future, are just plain better. Why not have a star in waiting behind Cousins? (Assuming we can even sign him.) For a similar reason to the Brady/Garropolo situation or the Farve/Rogers.. having a 1st round backup sitting in a 8 - 10 year window may not be the best of ideas... due to contact considerations down the road.. besides.. with all of the needs on the team, if we could lock up Cousins as a FA.. we can concentrate on other team needs with high draft picks.
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If the Browns get Cousins in FA, I see no need for Rosen or Darnold because Cousins is proven, and is still young enough to be a long term solution to the QB problem. Then perhaps the Browns could go for a developmental QB lower in the draft ( 4th round or lower ), as a backup ( I am not sold on Kizer as a # 2, if we can help it ).
I don't see why signing Cousins precludes drafting Rosen or Darnold. There is no guarantee Cousins (or any player for that matter) doesn't have a career altering injury. Or maybe Rosen or Darnold, 2 or 3 yrs into the future, are just plain better. Why not have a star in waiting behind Cousins? (Assuming we can even sign him.) If you're signing Kirk Cousins, you are hoping he is giving you at least four years. By the time those four years are up, the rookies' contract has run out and you don't even know what he is. Then what do you do? Pick up the fifth year option? Trade Cousins?
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If the Browns get Cousins in FA, I see no need for Rosen or Darnold because Cousins is proven, and is still young enough to be a long term solution to the QB problem. Then perhaps the Browns could go for a developmental QB lower in the draft ( 4th round or lower ), as a backup ( I am not sold on Kizer as a # 2, if we can help it ).
I don't see why signing Cousins precludes drafting Rosen or Darnold. There is no guarantee Cousins (or any player for that matter) doesn't have a career altering injury. Or maybe Rosen or Darnold, 2 or 3 yrs into the future, are just plain better. Why not have a star in waiting behind Cousins? (Assuming we can even sign him.) If you're signing Kirk Cousins, you are hoping he is giving you at least four years. By the time those four years are up, the rookies' contract has run out and you don't even know what he is. Then what do you do? Pick up the fifth year option? Trade Cousins? didn't A Rodgers sit behind Farve for 3 or 4 years?
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What is your ideal QB room for next year. I am only asking if one of mine aren't your favorite. There are several options. What do you think? Cousins, Kizer, Riley Ferguson
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Cousins or Smith would probably make me rethink wanting a QB at the #1 overall. More so Cousins. Not sure tho. The trade off would be that we would probably not be picking number one overall 2,3 or 4 years down the road when we would come to decision time again. The hope would be that Kizer could take over, but who knows. There appears to be some good QBs on the horizon. Fromm,Grier, Browning and who knows what that kid from bama will end up being. I had not even hear of him prior to last Monday but a lot of folks seem to be getting on that bandwagon early.
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I think you raise a very good point in that we probably won't have the first overall or even a top 5 pick in 2-3 years when we might consider drafting another qb.
I'm not positive about this, but I think we should draft a qb w/that first overall choice this year.
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If we are still having top 5 in the draft picks 5 years from now, I am pretty sure most of us won't still be around.
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We probably said the same thing 5 years ago. 
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didn't A Rodgers sit behind Farve for 3 or 4 years? Three, but I'd argue that was an ultra-special situation. They wanted to move on from Farve a lot sooner but the backlash from fans was too intense. Crazy to consider that when Rodgers was a rookie: Farve took the Packers 4-12, throwing 29 interceptions (9 games with 2 or more interceptions) and fumbling 10 times. Yet there was threats of mass boycotts and demands of firings at even the thought of moving on from Farve. That was an ugly time for the Packers. Proof that having two hall of fame quarterbacks on the roster sure isn't without pitfalls. If the Browns land Cousins, I don't see any quarterback being drafted in 2018. That's something you do two or three years prior to the end of whatever deal Cousins signs.
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Speaking of veteran quarterbacks: Is there any interest, at all, in Tyrod Taylor?
I've noticed he's a lot more popular on Twitter than he is here.
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This is an excerpt from an article on the Chiefs' Cap Hell, and how it pertains to Alex Smith.. other players are discussed as well. For the entire article, please see the link below... I'm just posting the Smith portion in keeping with the thread topic. Chiefs' biggest cost-cutting measures in 2018 By: Wesley Roesch | January 11, 2018 8:10 am Let’s face it: the Chiefs are broke. They’re not in a good situation with the salary cap right now, being about $7 million or so over the cap in 2018 (via Over the Cap). That number will fluctuate depending on cap carryover and other adjustments, but either way the Chiefs need to cut down on some of their investments in order to make room for draft picks and free agent signees. Let’s take a look at some players Kansas City could (not necessarily should) cut or trade in order to save cap room in 2018. QB Alex Smith This is the big one. Keeping Smith in 2018 would cost the Chiefs $20.6 million. Cutting him would save $17.6 million. I’m unsure if trading him would save even more, but either way, this would be a huge cost-cutting measure for K.C. The question is obviously if they should trade Smith. Should they give up the team’s 2017 MVP coming off the best season of his career for a second-year quarterback? http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/11/chiefs-biggest-cost-cutting-measures-in-2018/The Chiefs are hurting capwise ...they will more than likely trade Smith.. perhaps even cut him ( unlikely ), as well as other members of the team. It could become interesting. Should the Browns bite ... ?
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Ok, there needs to be a reality check.
No feasible starting QB is going to Cleveland to be a placeholder for Darnold/Rosen or whom ever else the team would likely draft.
If the Browns make a commitment to Cousins, Bridgewater or Taylor would that be significant enough to move away from drafting a QB? It is probably not Taylor, as his is ok, but not something that would preclude drafting another QB.
I think there will be a lot of backups waiting until after the draft to make a decision. It makes no sense to commit to a team, only to be displaced by a first round draft choice. And therein lies the rub. When you look at QB's like Smith and Cousins, they will certainly have multiple options. Both will be looking for long range contracts to "be the man" wherever they go. Neither will be willing to end up at a destination where they will be holding a clip board in a tear or two. While in a perfect would that sounds like a dream scenario, and it is. That scenario would only be possible in a dream. Now sure, we could give up picks for Smith, but would that be a wise move considering he probably wouldn't sign here long term? Nah, if you acquire Cousins or Smith, they are your future, not a draft pick. Otherwise they won't be here.
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Speaking of veteran quarterbacks: Is there any interest, at all, in Tyrod Taylor?
I've noticed he's a lot more popular on Twitter than he is here. For me he's on par with A.J. McCarron. He can start for awhile and not lose you games (and maybe win one or two). That's a big deal in the league right now. Imagine if we had a guy like that instead of Kizer, we could have maybe won 0.5-1 games!
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didn't A Rodgers sit behind Farve for 3 or 4 years? Favre was 38 when he was forced out. Cousins would be 34. Rodgers was also a mid first round pick, we're talking about the #1 overall pick.
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There are two very good qb's in this draft and we have our choice of which one. This is a very rare opportunity and we need to take one no matter what vet we get.
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There are two very good qb's in this draft and we have our choice of which one. This is a very rare opportunity and we need to take one no matter what vet we get. This My idea that even if we acquire Smith or Cousins, we still draft either Rosen or Darnold is based in the reality that while both Smith and Cousins are good, their shelf life is limited, and they have pretty much reached their potential of good but not great. In Rosen and Darnold, the timeline is extended and the ceiling is raised. The Holy Grail of talent acquisition is getting an elite QB. While not every elite QB is drafted at the top of the draft, and not every QB drafted at the top proves to be elite, most of the elite QBs are drafted very high. We have already learned, as important as drafting high, is timing, drafting high in a draft with elite QB prospects. This year we have the first pick in a draft with 5 QB prospects who have a real chance to be NFL starters, any one of whom could prove to be elite. While each has their backers, the general consensus is that both Rosen and Darnold have real elite potential. I think it would be extremely foolish of the Browns to, given the rare opportunity of having our choice of elite QB prospects, pass on it in favor of a QB who has proven to be good but not elite. It would be great if we could both get a good vet and draft an elite prospect, but if it's either/or, draft the elite prospect.
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Also, while both Cousins and Smith have been healthy .... you never know when that might come to an end.(if we are able to acquire one of them) We need the best possible QB room, from top to bottom. Also, it's possible that we may feel we can start the rook in a year or 2 .... and can then trade the veteran.
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This is an excerpt from an article on the Chiefs' Cap Hell, and how it pertains to Alex Smith.. other players are discussed as well. For the entire article, please see the link below... I'm just posting the Smith portion in keeping with the thread topic. Chiefs' biggest cost-cutting measures in 2018 By: Wesley Roesch | January 11, 2018 8:10 am Let’s face it: the Chiefs are broke. They’re not in a good situation with the salary cap right now, being about $7 million or so over the cap in 2018 (via Over the Cap). That number will fluctuate depending on cap carryover and other adjustments, but either way the Chiefs need to cut down on some of their investments in order to make room for draft picks and free agent signees. Let’s take a look at some players Kansas City could (not necessarily should) cut or trade in order to save cap room in 2018. QB Alex Smith This is the big one. Keeping Smith in 2018 would cost the Chiefs $20.6 million. Cutting him would save $17.6 million. I’m unsure if trading him would save even more, but either way, this would be a huge cost-cutting measure for K.C. The question is obviously if they should trade Smith. Should they give up the team’s 2017 MVP coming off the best season of his career for a second-year quarterback? http://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2018/01/11/chiefs-biggest-cost-cutting-measures-in-2018/The Chiefs are hurting capwise ...they will more than likely trade Smith.. perhaps even cut him ( unlikely ), as well as other members of the team. It could become interesting. Should the Browns bite ... ? Yes, I think the Browns should bite and I also think the Browns will do so and he'll be our starter next season. And I certainly hope so, it would be exciting to have him as our QB.
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If we are still having top 5 in the draft picks 5 years from now, I am pretty sure most of us won't still be around. Can we save this from 2017/2018's offseason? I'd bet somebody was saying similar in or around 2007.
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There are two very good qb's in this draft and we have our choice of which one. This is a very rare opportunity and we need to take one no matter what vet we get. There are more than 2, and the Browns have the choice of much more than 2 players but can only take one at a time. Vet or not, the Question is who will have the final say on the decision. Then probably it will become that whoever had the final say was the wrong person to have had it.
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In other words, let's quit concerning ourselves so much with "value" and just fix that position.  whew, , ok, let me catch my breath.  (doesn't seem to gel with many's ideology) Good one. 
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There are two very good qb's in this draft and we have our choice of which one. This is a very rare opportunity and we need to take one no matter what vet we get. This My idea that even if we acquire Smith or Cousins, we still draft either Rosen or Darnold is based in the reality that while both Smith and Cousins are good, their shelf life is limited, and they have pretty much reached their potential of good but not great. In Rosen and Darnold, the timeline is extended and the ceiling is raised. The Holy Grail of talent acquisition is getting an elite QB. While not every elite QB is drafted at the top of the draft, and not every QB drafted at the top proves to be elite, most of the elite QBs are drafted very high. We have already learned, as important as drafting high, is timing, drafting high in a draft with elite QB prospects. This year we have the first pick in a draft with 5 QB prospects who have a real chance to be NFL starters, any one of whom could prove to be elite. While each has their backers, the general consensus is that both Rosen and Darnold have real elite potential. I think it would be extremely foolish of the Browns to, given the rare opportunity of having our choice of elite QB prospects, pass on it in favor of a QB who has proven to be good but not elite. It would be great if we could both get a good vet and draft an elite prospect, but if it's either/or, draft the elite prospect. Right on, Cousins and Smith will be 30 and 34 next season...no matter how good hardly spring chickens. We blew it two years ago with Wentz...this year we are in a better position with possibly a better draft class of QB. Let's not make the same mistake again. Pick of the litter at number one..it's a no brainer.
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