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Mason Rudolph

I've been doing some research on this kid and I have to say that I think he is going to be a top 10 QB in the NFL. It's been a long time since I have seen such a pretty deep ball that just drops right into the basket. He has solid foot work too. I like how he already pivots his lead ankle correctly. This allows him to throw with some actual touch on his deep balls.

He is big and physical. I mean he is built like a tank. I wish we could draft him more than anyone else because I think he is the most likely to be able to take the physical punishment our division dishes out. To me he is the next Big Ben. Man I wish we could take him instead of the Steelers. I have a feeling they will take him with their first round pick if he lasts that long.

Draft Courtland to help him out or trade down from #4 and pick James Washington the guy he loves to throw to and already has great chemistry with. Heck we could probably trade down from both picks and get this QB and his WR he loves and pick up future firsts again and be all set for a long time to come.

Darnold and Rosen are good. I hear yeah. Darnold has regressed this season though and his footwork has gotten a bit sloppy at times and Rosen seems to like getting hurt a bit too much. I can see both of them doing great behind our O-line though. Still what gains us the most for the future though? I am not sure that any of these guys are so much better than they other but just different. I think Mason throws the ball the way Hue likes to have it thrown though so that for me is what makes me think we win out with him as our QB and picking up more first round picks because we could possibly land 5 to 6 first round picks for our 2 picks this season. That is a LOT of talent added to our team for many years to come.

Any of you watched this guy very much? What do you think about him?

I did. I was reading about all of his big numbers and seeing the long bomb highlights and I already knew he was huge. I got interested and started paying attention.

I dismissed him because his accuracy is so inconsistent. It's amazing how many wide open receivers he misses.

He has a lot of positives, but his accuracy issues turned me off.

CAREER STATS
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT RAW QBR ADJ QBR
2017 318 489 4904 65.0 10.03 86 37 9 24 170.6 83.8 84.9
2016 284 448 4091 63.4 9.13 91 28 4 31 158.9 72.6 75.7
2015 264 424 3770 62.3 8.89 82 21 9 30 149.1 70.7 73.9
2014 49 86 853 57.0 9.92 68 6 4 8 154.0 54.3 71.3

Don't you think that might be because they ask him to throw deep so often but don't do a great job of protecting him?

I haven't watched his tape yet.

But, I plan to breakdown some games from every QB prospect. Same as last year with the Watson/Mitch threads last year.

But someone posted this in another thread:

https://twitter.com/NFLFilmStudy/status/946622031742763008?s=09

....and?

Big 12 DEFENSE???

Really?

And this is relevant how?

Do you watch much college football? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm curious.

I guess this is why Hue didn't want Wentz @ 2nd pick. And he was wrong wasn't he?

Will you please stop?

Excuse me?

You are embarrassing yourself.

How so? Do tell.

That is exactly my point.

Like Rudolph way more then most but not for the Browns, don’t think he fits what Hue wants to do. Would fit better in a west coast offense.

Not trying to be argumentative, but he is not a fit in a WCO. He is inaccurate. He doesn't read coverages. He struggles throwing into tight windows.

If anything, he fits more into Hue's downfield passing scheme than anything else, but I think Hue like accuracy........which will eliminate Rudolf.

It’s been reported that he doesn’t have the arm to be a downfield guy, that’s why I don’t think he’s a fit for Hue, I suggested he would be a better fit in a west coast not a great fit. And yes he would definitely need work for a couple years before he was ready.

I think you might have read the wrong reports. Rudolph has a huge arm. He is a big, strong, deep-throwing machine.

My knocks on him are the following:

--Inconsistent accuracy. Misses a ton of easy throws.

--Doesn't have to make post-snap reads.

--Hasn't played under center.

--Plays in a poor defensive conference and still makes stupid throws.

--Doesn't throw w/anticipation.

Those ae all big concerns, but arm strength is not one of them. He is the antithesis of a WCO QB.

Everything I e read on him says he doesn’t have the big arm, he’s a big kid but doesn’t have the big arm, that analysis sounds more like Allen. I’ll go back and look to be sure

Here’s a quote on him....

He’s got good size,” was the positive an AFC personnel exec found before echoing the sentiment, “but his arm strength is lacking and he’s inconsistent with his accuracy.”

I expressed my opinion. Not really interested in arguing about it. Believe what you will.

I think not playing under center is overblown, especially in today’s nfl were QBs are playing more and more from the gun anyway.

Other than that though, from everything else you listed, he sounds like Kizer.

Hue was a qb who can hit open receivers. After this season, he wants a QB who doesn’t make his receivers/running backs have to make circus catches 5 yards past the line of scrimmage.

The top 5 QBs in the draft have better accuracy than Kizer. They all have a stronger arm than Kessler and Hogan. They all aren’t scared to throw the ball, and all but one is mobile.

At this point, as long as it’s one of the top 5 QBs, I don’t even care anymore. All I hope is that they don’t screw around with the positions and draft the guy they want, whoever it may be, when they are on the clock.

Nice to see the stats back up my gut feeling about him. HOLY SMOKES his deep ball accuracy is almost double anyone else according to those charts. That is just insane.

I don't get the knock on his accuracy at all. His completion percentage is in the 60% range which is more than good enough and his deep ball completion percentage makes all the other QBs look like crap in comparison. He throws a beautiful arch on his deep balls that drop in over the shoulder which I think is far better than throwing it harder at a lower arc because the low arc leads to more interceptions and makes the ball harder to catch. In fact, he is light years ahead of any QB in this draft when it come to completing passing over 20 years while still being accurate in all the other passes.

Not only that but if you look at pass attempts Mason spreads it around over the entire field. Rosen focuses a LOT on the left side. To me that means Mason sees the field a bit better and is getting off of his first read more. Of course, you could play it off as WR talent/favorite target but I prefer a guy who regularly uses the entire field because that is harder to prepare for defensively because you can cheat the field to one side.

I just think Mason would be perfect for what Hue likes to do. Rosen seems far more a dink and dunk guy for the WCO who loses a lot of accuracy on throws beyond 20 yards which is a major concern for me with how Hue calls plays.

FWIW, Rudolph is the 2nd ranked QB on the draftek site, #1 ranked by CBS and 8th by walterfootball. I have no opinion on him as I have not watched any of his tape.

Tons of video on youtube if you search him. It's his video that really made me shine to him. He is the best deep ball passer I have seen in a very long time.

Well I tried....

I would fire everybody if we don't have a Qb by Pick #2

I meant #2 overall pick
The only acceptable option (IMO) for not taking a Qb at #1 overall is if we have Rosen and Darnold rated equally, I would accept a trade down with the Giants.

That would be a bit rash. I'd give it to at least pick 5.

If you have the 1st overall pick and you want a QB, you take him there. If you're saying no QB is worth a 1st round pick, I would pass entirely on the QB's in this draft.

Waiting and selecting the left overs is how you get Deshone Kizer, Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy, Charlie Frye. Please god let it stop with trying to sell me on the 4th best QB in every draft as some sort of "value".

Take Rosen or Darnold and be done with it.

Been pimping him for two years as the best QB in college but he has list some velocity and missed throws he should be making since he banged that shoulder after I think fourth game.

I suspect he will go Kate first maybe as big Ben replacement.

Agree, he has accuracy issues....listening to Troy Aikman on TV, he stated accuracy was his number one trait...talking about Brees, if we'd had Brees we'd won at least eight....GO Browns!!!