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I believe that you are right, Memphis.

To save face and deter any focus on the fact that it was inner turmoil that led to the late filing. They know damn well the NFL (or any other league for that matter) won't accept any excuses for missing trade or draft deadlines.

Jackson is at the edge and the FO was trying to restore some sanity and stop this whole thing from coming unglued by going after Hue's golden boy. HASLAM stopped the trade - and rightfully so. We passed on "sure things" two years in a row and decided to "kick the tires" again. It's too late for a mentor... you had 16 games to figure this out and 8 are gone. You let the mentor walk at the end of last season. Haslam at least knows that the only move is to go all in on top prospect in next years draft... A.J. McCarron??

Hue has to be livid with this FO not getting him any real top talent at all in trade or FA for two years running. Someone needs to go IMO over this latest fiasco and I'm thinking it's Sashi and Moneyball Podesta. Drain that swamp and let Hue pick the team like BB does.

We keep talking about Sashi/DePodesta and Hue putting their foot in their mouth and looking bad. What about the Haslams? If we pull the plug (AND, I am not saying we shouldn't at this point), BUT, IF we pull the plug what light does that put Jimmy and Dee in? They stood up and talked all about how this was the right regime. They apologized for getting it wrong twice. They said they didn't think we would turn it around in year 2. NOW, if they pull the plug they are admitting for a third time that they GOT IT WRONG.

Maybe the Browns need to be sold to the city and become publicly owned. Because Haslam is as much of a joker, con artist and idiot as the rest of them in that FO.

j/c

We can always find a new level further below rock-bottom and always look like bigger buffoons.

Why does EVERY front-office suck??? Thinking they're smarter than the rest and that they'll achieve by thinking sooo far outside the box. And always exposing themselves even more by letting crap leak to the media.

And the FO has to be livid to think Hue knew what he was talking about with RG3, Wentz, Watson, McCarron, etc.

It's a gigantic mess over there in Berea.

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A tweet from a writer with some balance.


https://twitter.com/twithersAP/status/925723608802045952

I heart you, Tom Withers.

All reports where that Jimmy Okayed the trade.

Bengals located email from Browns about AJ McCarron trade, but NFL still never heard from Browns

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Bengals did locate the email from the Browns about the AJ McCarron trade that was sent just before the trade deadline Tuesday, but they were in the process of filing their paperwork to the NFL, and did not see it until later, a Bengals spokesperson told cleveland.com.

Furthermore, the Browns needed to send their own signed documentation to the league to execute the trade for McCarron, so even if they Bengals had seen the Browns email in time, Cleveland would have needed to notify the league directly that it approved the trade.

The Bengals spokesperson said the email the Bengals received from the Browns, which came at about 3:54 p.m., did not come directly from Browns Executive Vice President of Sashi Brown, and therefore they were not immediately seen.

They came from an assistant of Brown's and were not immediately recognized.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/bengals_did_receive_email_from.html

Goodness.

and the plot thickens. Another report that the Browns were inept. You are making a trade that will determine the STARTING QB of your franchise, that will be tied to your name for the rest of the career (either good or bad) and you had an assistant send the information? Sashi needs to go.

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Browns Coaches and Managements Differ on McCarron Trade Talks

The Browns front office is either incompetent or purposely sabotaged the deal.

Further indication of the dysfunction between the Browns front office and the Coaching staff, members of the Browns front office and coaching staff differ on the opinion of what went down with the AJ McCarron trade talks.

The coaching staff feels that the deal was sabotaged and that the Browns front office tried to rally to get the deal done on the orders of owner Jim Haslam.

Members of the Browns Player Personnel department feel that while the Front Office did not want to execute the trade, the did so in earnest but “screwed up the paperwork” thus causing the deal to fall through.

he Browns dropped the ball on a trade Tuesday for Bengals backup quarterback A.J. McCarron.

The two clubs agreed to the trade just before the 4 p.m. deadline, but the Bengals still managed to email their signed paperwork into the NFL on time. The Browns did not.

The Browns appealed to the NFL to allow the deal, but the NFL rejected it.

The Browns had agreed to send a second- and third-round pick in the 2018 draft for McCarron, a fifth-round pick of the Bengals in 2014 out of Alabama.

The Browns have 12 selections in the upcoming draft, including two first-rounders and three second-rounders.

The Bengals emailed their signed paperwork to the NFL before 4 p.m. and the Browns did not. The Bengals also copied the Browns on the signed document they emailed to the NFL.

Separate documents from each team — signed only by that team — constitutes a trade. Bottom line: The league never received anything with the Browns’ signature on it.

A source close the Bengals said the two teams talked throughout the day, and that the Browns didn’t seem certain they wanted to complete the deal. The Browns then contacted them close to the deadline to say they’d do it for the two and three.

I am told from a member of the Browns Personnel department that the Front office did not want to trade for McCarron while head coach Hue Jackson did. I was also told by members of the Browns Personnel and Coaching staffs that Browns owner Jim Haslam stepped in and wanted to complete the deal for Jackson.

So, either the Browns front office sabotaged the deal on purpose or they just were incompetent in their ability to execute a trade. In either case, this should be the end of the line for this front office that took over the worst roster in the NFL and has made it even worse—something that is virtually impossible until now.

https://landryfootball.com/browns-coaches-management-differ-on-mccarron-trade-talks/

If I were Hue I would have to resign, these clowns in the front office are totally inept.

I read that twice and I didn't see where it said Sashi had an assistant send the email.

Its the post above about the Email..

These last two days with the rifts, the leaks, the power struggles, the incompetence and/or sabotage have been horrific. Truly unbelievable.

Hopefully we dodged a bullet by whiffing on McCarron. Bigger picture, it's pathetic that this regime couldn't hold it together one more year. The FO is certainly gone. The botching of the Jimmy G "race", and the triple trade blunder (want McCarron, offering a 2nd and a 3rd for him after Jimmy G went for a 2nd, and blowing the paperwork) have to be the nails in that coffin. Somebody went off the deep end, they knew what time it was, what day, they knew what was at stake. These moves are either rebellious, intentional sabotage, or outright incompetence, none of which can be tolerated. It's impossible to defend them, especially since they refuse to comment. I don't think Hue will survive this either. At the minimum, he gets replaced by the new GM, if not run off with the others for his own culpability.

I wonder if Haslam put a freeze on all trade business once he got wind of the activities (or lack of) and heard about the ridiculous McCarron trade deal. If he hasn't, he should. The continual disfunction is ridiculous. Can't wait to see what happens next with this crumbling $#!% show.

Edit: Just read Haslam wanted the trade.

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https://www.dawgtalkers.net/ubbthreads.php/ubb/newreply/Board/1/Number/1345136/what/showflat/fpart/6

The old saying goes. Owners don't fire themselves.

I don't know about that. I think if they undermined jimmy like that, they would have been gone already. That makes me think that's not true.

The way you put that makes Sashi look like the smart one here.

It's almost hard to believe that one organization can have so many absurd stories w/regime after regime after regime.

We've had a coach write a 34 point plea to the owner to be released from his contract. FO folks texting the sidelines during games. Power plays w/in the FO. Dysfunction between multiple FO's and coaching staffs. Failed paperwork on contested trades. It never ends.

How does this happen over and over and over again?

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https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/925731809924698112

Dodged a "Hue Bullet" here. The first one as far as QBs are concerned.

Read it again. Still don't see it.

It came from the FO and Sashi is the Browns player personnel man. He and Moneyball had to know time was of the essence.

Making that trade would've been a colossal blunder.

I finally figured it out guys ... damm ... right there in front of us ...

Depo is prolly in charge with getting the paperwork to the league ... he got it in at 1:01 his time ....

Easy to see how that could happen with the time difference between here and LaJolla ... we got it in with almost 3 hours to spare ...

No biggie .. thats an easy fix ...

So what! McCarron is better than all the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th, rd draft picks the Browns have picked since '99 put together.

Bengals located email from Browns about AJ McCarron trade, but NFL still never heard from Browns

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Bengals did locate the email from the Browns about the AJ McCarron trade that was sent just before the trade deadline Tuesday, but they were in the process of filing their paperwork to the NFL, and did not see it until later, a Bengals spokesperson told cleveland.com.

Furthermore, the Browns needed to send their own signed documentation to the league to execute the trade for McCarron, so even if they Bengals had seen the Browns email in time, Cleveland would have needed to notify the league directly that it approved the trade.

The Bengals spokesperson said the email the Bengals received from the Browns, which came at about 3:54 p.m., did not come directly from Browns Executive Vice President of Sashi Brown, and therefore they were not immediately seen.

They came from an assistant of Brown's and were not immediately recognized.

Right.

will, he is using semantics to defend Sashi.

I think that this entire situation has progressed way beyond taking sides between the FO and coaching staff.

The backstabbing and bitterness between the two has become very public and it's to the point that both will almost assuredly be gone. I think both sides know that and are going down fighting.

It just sucks that it's always the Browns who get more headlines for drama than do winning games.

My 2 cents. This isn't any more embarrassing that losing every single week.
If we were really giving up a 2 and a 3 for McCarron maybe lady luck is turning in our favor. I can see a one pick Hail Mary but 2 picks?
Then there is the contract matter last I heard AJ was angling to be a UFA. Were we going to franchise McCarron?

The NFL is a passing league and the Browns have a raw rookie QB and no receivers no big surprise we are skunked every week.The simple solution is the FO needs to draft better players.

whats worse is that the fans are taking sides. The facts are we have an inept FO and an inept coaching staff. I didn't hear any finger pointing until this year. When talks of their jobs started to surface. The coaching staff in complacent in this, the FO is complacent in this, and the Owner is complacent in this.

Jimmy isn't going anywhere - so its up to him to handle it. Doesn't matter what we think about him or his knowledge of the game or operations.

Here is what is going to happen, he will fire everyone, they will hire the new lot of misfit kids, and we will all get excited because of some type of "pedigree" or whatever they have. They will make horrible coaching decisions, horrible personel decisions, and we will defend them. They will lose over and over again, and we will then start bickering at each other like little kids on who is to blame. Then reports will surface about discords etc. wash rinse and repeat

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This feels like Hue tried to pull an end-a-round on the FO to me.

1. A 2 & 3 for McCarron seems fairly similar to what Hue gave up for Palmer when he was in Oakland, in terms of over paying.
2. Sashi has pulled off more then enough trades to know what the protocol is, and Grigson has some under his belt as well. I'm having a hard time believing they all of a sudden forgot how to process a trade properly.
3. The FO has done nothing that followings along with this line of cost vs. return.

My tin foil hat is saying the Hue started dropping takes to Silver about the FO and went right to Jimmy and convinced him to do this deal w/o talking to Sashi and Co. Jimmy ordered the FO to do the deal, which they obviously didn't want to do, so they had Sashi's asst. do the emailing and "forgot" to forward it onto the league.

I think Hue just pulled his power play and Sashi shut it down.

A consensus by whom? I see these kinds of things posted all of the time. But guess what? This "consensus" you speak of is done by so called draft gurus who make a small fraction of what NFL executives make. This so called consensus is done by people who post on message boards and Twitter. All of that is meaningless and none of them make seven figure salaries to get the QB position correct.

In case you missed it, Philly ponied up a kings ransom to draft Wentz. It appears the consensus by a bunch of amateurs was wrong and the pros got it right. Well, not our pros, but you know what I mean.

my point you are missing. the problem is one guru will say he is worth it, another will say he is not. the fact of the matter is - mariotta, wentz, goff, Watson, Winston, etc etc all seem to be panning out - while our FO says "ohhhh these guys are not good or nfl ready or nfl qbs. and we are stuck the garbage that is left over.

Quite possible. If so, somebody likely will feel the heat for it...

I don't buy the "we didn't know to send the paperwork to the NFL" thing. If that was the case how did the Osweiler trade, the Collins trade, the Coates trade, and the J.Taylor trades go down? The whole thing smells fishy. If I'm Haslam I would just clean house and get an experienced GM in here and let him pick his new coach.

the fact still remains, no matter what, jimmy was on board with the trade. you don't cross the boss. if jimmy ok trade, and wanted it done, don't matter if you disagree or not, you get it done.

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I don't get it... at all. If Jimmy interjected and said "get it done". It had to be more of a pacifier to Hue then actually thinking AJ would be our savior, right? If he communicated directly with Sashi in a half-hearted manner and said "You know, Hue really wants the opportunity to work with a QB that understands his system, blah, blah, blah", then maybe Sashi thought there was wiggle room to excuse gross neglect of duty. If not, and he firmly put his food down, wouldn't Sashi already be fired? The trade was agreed on, he had ONE JOB at that point.

To put more focus on what almost happened... does anyone here believe AJ would come here and prove to be "the man" in eight games?? I think it's a boneheaded move regardless of what Hue wants. You want to add a fourth a$$ in the room with his track record of three NFL starts? What in the world will this due to delay the inevitable in next years draft?? We don't even have a team good enough to "shine" and show that he is "the man". Wow. Like has been mentioned many times... Hollywood would turn this script down because it's simply too astonishingly unbelievable.

I predict that the poop now starts hitting the fan, this one's not going away without a sacrificial lamb.