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QB chemistry though.. that takes some time.

I don't understand why we claimed the QB (if we don't trade Hogan or Kessler). Nobody carries four QBs. My guess is that he will be gone after week two (when we play the Ravens).

Edit:

Does a player have to stay on the roster for a certain amount of time if he is claimed? I Googled it and can't find a reliable answer.

I don't think so.

Williams was with Jackson in Cincy too I believe

The Browns should do the right thing and give him Joe Haden's old number.

Let's not screw this up.

I think he signed with the Bengals (to their practice squad) and then failed his physical. So he wasn't with them too long.

Browns claim Josh Woodrum off waivers, going with 4 QBs for now by Scott Petrak September 3, 2017

The Browns are stockpiling young quarterbacks.

While many teams in the league decided to keep only two quarterbacks on the 53-man roster, the Browns added a fourth Sunday by claiming Josh Woodrum off waivers from the Baltimore Ravens.

And they didn’t cut Cody Kessler or Kevin Hogan to clear a spot.

The Browns can adjust the roster throughout the week before the opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers, but for now they’re content to keep three backups behind rookie starter DeShone Kizer.



None of the four passers has won a game in the NFL. Three are 24 years old, and Kizer is 21.

Woodrum (6-foot-3, 236 pounds) has good size, a strong arm and can move. The Browns will get an up-close look at him and could choose to keep all four until they decide if he’s worth keeping ahead of Kessler or Hogan.

The Browns had first priority on the waiver wire after going a franchise-worst 1-15 in 2016 and also claimed receiver Kasen Williams from Seattle, receiver Reggie Davis from Atlanta, defensive tackle T.Y. McGill from Indianapolis and defensive back Michael Jordan from the Rams.

To make room on the roster, the Browns cut receiver Rashard Higgins, defensive backs Darius Hillary, Kai Nacua and Marcus Burley and defensive end Tyrone Holmes, a mild surprise after a good preseason.

Higgins was a fifth-round pick in 2016 and caught six passes for 77 yards as a rookie. The Browns gave him plenty of chances to win the No. 3 wideout job throughout the preseason but he caught only three passes for 26 yards.

Higgins, Hillary and Nacua are candidates to be signed to the practice squad if they clear waivers.

The Browns have six receivers but only eight defensive backs among their 53.

Woodrum has never played in a regular-season game. He was undrafted out of Liberty in 2016.

He had a strong preseason for the Ravens, going 25-for-36 (69.4 percent) for 321 yards with two touchdowns, no interceptions and a 115.6 rating. He added two rushing touchdowns.

He set Liberty career records with 10,266 passing yards and 833 completions, and his 61 passing touchdowns ranked second.

He spent most of the offseason with the Bills before joining the Ravens. He was with the Colts last offseason and spent time on Chicago’s practice squad.

Williams (6-1, 219) could have the biggest impact of any of the pickups as he joins a receiving corps searching for playmakers. He showed promise with the Seahawks despite catching one pass for 8 yards and rushing once for 5 yards in three games over two years.

Williams was undrafted in 2015 out of the University of Washington. He led Seattle this preseason with nine catches, 208 receiving yards and a touchdown.

“There is no explanation for this!” Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman tweeted of Williams’ release.

McGill (6-0, 299) spent his first two seasons with Indianapolis. He played in 25 games with 17 tackles, five sacks, 15 quarterback pressures and a forced fumble. He was undrafted out of North Carolina State in 2015.

Jordan (6-1, 200) was undrafted out of Missouri Western State in 2016. He had 20 tackles, two passes defensed and a fumble recovery in five games and two starts last year with the Rams.

Davis (5-11, 170) is an undrafted rookie out of Georgia.

Two players cut by the Browns on Saturday were claimed by other teams. Defensive lineman Xavier Cooper was picked up by the San Francisco 49ers and kicker Cody Parkey by the Miami Dolphins.

The Browns began to fill out the 10-man practice squad, signing tight end J.P. Holtz, linebacker Deon King, running back Terrence Magee and defensive back Najee Murray. All were waived by the Browns on Saturday.

https://www.brownszone.com/2017/09/03/browns-claim-5-off-waivers-including-qb-josh-woodrum/

SO we have all of three Wide outs prepared for Sundays Game ?

What you say really doesn't matter, not to me anyway! You may not like it but here we go again with talk football.

Last year we would win what 6-7 games according to you.

Than the year before we would win what 6-7 games. Of course it has everything to do with your football because when you assess the Browns your conclusions are generally wrong. We can agree on that right.

That is again a statement of fact, which is indisputable.IMO

I get the part about your hopes your dreams your "FOOTBALL", is generally wrong when you pull all the pieces together and honestly look at what we really have and not what you hope or think we have. I don't mind the optimist part but don't try and pull the football thingy on me I know your track record.

Lets put it this way I pray for the day you proclaim us to suck cause if your record to date holds true will be great....

That said I would think with Ward and Gibson and healthy Haden we have a better secondary than our current one. Now I know they are young and I too hope they get better but to state as if factual we are better now than ever, come on dude.

What we are better than is better than a year ago, a year where we went 1-15. Its hard not to be better than that.

We lost out on Mack and Swartz, I think Mack and Swatz make this a better team. In fact this Coleman cat they kept down right stinks at right tackle. Slow footed and clumsy and those are his best attributes.

Its not that these guys aren't trying I think they are, but they have made some real boneheaded moves and yes most of the veteran releases have made the team less competitive in the short term.

I know what they are doing, I get it but winning isn't on the list of things they must do this year just like last.

My main complaint has been they didn't and haven't retained guys that were better and guys that could have been contributors to winning in the short and long term.

Either way will get there but not this year for many reasons, inexperience mostly.

Still I am exited to watch this defense play and for Kiser to play, they like I said will be better and certainly more competitive than the train wreck team from a year ago.

But at the end of the day its not boo hoo its this is what we got and it ian't good enough, not yet.

Best we have ever had, really...

j/c:

I am overwhelmed by all the personnel decisions that our lawyer is making.

He really gets it.

Let him kick field goals too ... so we can hear Marv Albert going, "Jordan for three! YES!"

Nice soft hands too. Good catch.

I only care about Hilary & Nacua, hope they stick.



Better than anyone we had.

One of the discussions all preseason has been our weak WR corps. In the last 2 days we have added Coates, Williams, and Davis to go along with Coleman, Britt and Louis.

How does this group look?

Better, but not good.

Josh Woodrum @2:22 in video

Woodrum 6'3"

Kizer 6'4"

Hogan 6'3"

Kessler 6'1"

my guess Kessler is gone


Woodrum flicks his arm and the ball went 40 yds in the air...kid has an arm.

I think he would already be gone if he was going to gone.

I don't get the Woodrum thing at all.

I was thinking Cody doesn't throw the deep ball and this kid can...so I am just assuming that we won't carry 4 QB's, so my guess would be Cody gets cut

I think they are attempting to trade Kessler before cutting him.

To who and for what?

Also, we had to cut a player we liked to carry a fourth QB.

It doesn't make sense.

There was a bunch more players around the league cut again today that will be available on the waiver wire tomorrow. Probably see another couple moves tomorrow. They wont keep 4 QB's.

I'm guessing a CB is in order.

This is true, and I can definitely see how the pieces fit with the rest of the receiving group.

I may be too optimistic in my thinking here, but here goes nothing...

- Coleman and Britt are your "all purpose receivers," with Coleman being a bigger deep threat.

- To give your "all purpose receivers" better looks, you need the field stretchers. That's Louis, Coates and Davis.

- To give the all purpose receivers better looks in height matchup situations, you need an additional height matchup. Enter Williams.

Does this fix what ails the Browns receiving group? I have no idea. I do know going in there was an issue getting open and this seems to take steps to solve the issue.

I think they are looking to turn a back-up QB into a pick and one of the three will be traded this week (I'll be upset if it's Hogan). Even if it's the new QB though, they are looking for a pick.

If they get a pick no matter who we ship, it's like stealing from the Ravens and I like it.

I agree Hogan would be the only one that I would be upset to see traded or let go.

my gues is

Kizer, Hogan, Woodrum. Cody is traded or outright cut.

Terrible.

I can't think about this as I still can't get my brain over the fact that I won't be able to watch Haden, and McCourty on the field at the same time.

Have more talent in the offseason than during the regular season? Only in Cleveland!

J/C,

Just thinking out load here...McGill is the waiver pickup, that makes me question if Shelton's injury might be worst then we have been lead to believe. We already have 5 including Shelton. Now we waive Holmes an Edge rusher for a NT. It just don't add up, unless they think that Shelton is on the self for awhile...

Any thoughts on this?

Hadn't thought of it, but that is logical thinking.

With the signing of Kasen Williams, and Sammie Coates,

And the wild card of Reggie Davis.

If Joe Haden were still on the team, if Xavier Cooper were, if Tyrone Holmes were, (Grecco)

But Alvin Hill made the team, Zach Sterup did, and James Burgess did.

You change 3 or 4 decisions and the playoffs aren't only possible, the playoffs would be probable.

But as is! Who knows.

Are you telling me, Kaluka Maiava, Jordan Poyer, or Tracy Howard and Trey Caldwell, which we know aren't world beaters, which we know this team had moved to a point where its' talent exceeded what those kind could bring,
Are you telling me we get all those out, but we have to live with seeing the likes of the 3 I mentioned
Hill, Burgess, and Sterup:
Who don't yet look as good as anything
Those 3 make the team? And the others don't?
Talk about taking a step back!

I'd say, I don't understand it; but I DO understand it! BUT! IN UNDERSTANDING IT; the only sense we can make of this is there is some other motive than getting the best player available, on to the team!

Concluding: doing < less than < 100% to the goal to Win.
99%? 95%? still, anything less than 100%, not good enough; Especially when they are right there, already in your building!

And Brantley, and Alexander Both?

And You can't find a Right Tackle so you have to keep near a Half Dozen, in Coleman and Drango and Sterup and Johnson, so you have 4 that Can't excel, so you can rotate the averageness without making a choice?

Talk about shooting ourself in the foot, and repeating?


Fine! Hope for the Best!

But you are close! You are Close to having something special!
I mean, competitive, I mean contention!

And The team appears content to throw it away for unknown reasons.

This is what it looks like to me!

I like the signing of Kasen Williams and trading for Sammie Coates. Those 2 moves improved this team.

I am still salty why Joe Haden, John Greco, and earlier this year Gary Barnidge. I feel those 3 players are all good enough to make the roster and make the team better. Do they make more money? Yes. If the team was in cap trouble I would understand it better. Maybe someone can explain to our FO that they have plenty of cap space.

I want to see this team win or at the very least put out the best possible team to accomplish that. I guess they are tanking for Rosen or Darnold like the Jets and Bills.

I disagree. Britt? Britt might be a new face, but Britt caught everything that went his way in the pre-season, he's at least couple year NFL veteran, and there's the possibility he's serviceable.

Coleman? For all the injury talk, and the hamstring, Coleman looked so far, just like he did the two weeks he was productive early last regular season.

Louis? Offseason talk from the team, from the HC, repeated, (gist)" of the 3 drafted mid rounds, someone has to step up" ;
They had 3, they picked 1, you pick 1, you develop him, that's what you are supposed to do.

The Receivers coach is helping these guys, that's been highlighted, on this board, and on Broadcasts.

Sammie Coates!
If this team had not Cut Haden, I'd be excited that they were able to land Sammie Coates.
On his draft day I said Sammie Coates was a player I thought looked like a guy who could play 8-10 years in the NFL, and I still believe it.

ON Draft day, When the Browns had drafted Coleman, Louis, Higgans, and Payton, I said Coleman was the only one I wouldn't trade straigt up for Sammie Coates, and I still believe that.
So I'm pretty excited that Sammie Coates will give this team another sure, productive, weapon, with still a lot of upside, (like I feel about Xavier Cooper), and as a 3rd or 4th option, this looks good.

Also, Duke Johnson Jr. We know what he can do, we saw pre-season game 2, he basically only played receiver that game, we know he's comfortable on the field with the ball in his hands, Plus it give the opportunity to have Duke and Crowell on the field at the same time, which has to be noted by defenses, (Plus Dayes looked serviceable, so this means someone could still get rest minutes on the bench without "a ton of dropoff" being a downer to having Duke play some slot.

Williams, at first glance appears better than Leslie, appears maybe better than Rashard Higgans.

Reggie Davis? Is a Wild Card. I don't know anything about him, His frame must be small, 5'11 170, that's skinny, He's a Wild Card, but Dayes was a wild card, looks good, maybe this guy will too,
As a 5,or 6 option, someone mentioned speed, if he's fast, it's an unknown.

I think they should have kept Rannell Hall, this time.

The Team is young, it would be nice to watch them grow together.
But Everybody knows, IF THE BROWNS KEEP THIS TEAM TOGETHER it will be the first time in Many Years.

It wouldn't surprise me if a big guy like Shelton took awhile to get back from knee surgery. IRing him and bringing him back week eight fully healthy makes a lot of sense (if his injury is more severe than we know).

Nothing wrong with carrying 4 QB's Hell, on this team 5 or 6 isn't out of order. First, we go through QB's like crazy. They are always getting dinged. Then, of course, there is the problem that we don't have a sure thing at the position. So stock piling QB's seems prudent. Personally, I would cut Cody, but if they keep him that is fine. I HOPE Kizer survives 16 games but past seasons show it isn't likely. Perhaps he is the one that can make it through the season. We shall see. But stocking up on QB's seems very wise considering....

We got our last Pro Bowl* QB off waivers from the Ravens. . .

*alternate

Personally, I'm enthused about both Coates and Williams. Coates looks like a legitimate downfield threat while Williams looks like a big first down/red zone target.

I think/hope Hall, Leslie, and Holmes all end up on the PS. Someone mentioned the possibility that the Shelton injury is worse than expected which is why they took McGill. If true, and they place Shelton on IR, Holmes may be back on the 53.

I liked Haden, and was surprised they released him, but he's gone. I liked Greco, but like Haden, I don't think he was in the long term plans, and he's gone. Barnidge was good in 2015, less so in '16 and probably would never regain his '15 form, and he's gone. I'm not going to get terribly upset about them being gone. The team is building for the future. It never was about this year.

Last year was laying the foundation, this year is building the framework and walls. Next year we add the roof, doors and windows. They're trying to install players who will not only be here, but entering their prime when it all comes together.

could be the case. I saw someone from another site post a "rumor" that Shelton was subtly discussed in trades. Maybe he's either hurt or not well liked by Williams

They will have these guys ready as well, be it limited for a while. Each will have a package of plays they learn this week.

Great post and totally agreed...horrible teams in the NFL have shown the ability to be horrible...yet the ability to move to a .500 football team in one year, then contend in the playoffs the following year...

However our trend is this...we stay permentately bad and once we have a half way decent year (by our standards , not NFL standards) we tend to tear it down regardless and FO states more excuses