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http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...wns-this-season0-16! That's what NFL Nation reporters predict for Browns this seasonWinless. Oh-and-16. That’s how the rest of the NFL world thinks the 2017 Cleveland Browns season will go. Thursday was the day for ESPN’s annual ritual of picking the results for each team’s game. Every NFL Nation reporter who covers his or her team does the picks. In picking the Browns games, I gave them five wins. I see them as improved, but that this will be another difficult growth season. In essence, this is the season that most expected last season. Instead, the bottom fell out and the Browns didn’t get their first win until the second-to-last game of the season. There are serious concerns on this team -- at receiver, tight end and the secondary. But there is enough new talent to get past the catastrophic 2016 season. This season, I think the Browns will show some growth. However, they haven’t proven that to the rest of the world. The reporters from NFL Nation who picked their games when playing the Browns in every case picked their team to win. They won’t beat the Jets, Jacksonville or Chicago. They won’t win a division game. They will complete the 0-16 season they flirted with a year ago. Ahem. Let’s take a look at the games I picked the Browns to win. Indianapolis: Without Andrew Luck, I don’t see the Colts as that threatening. Colts reporter Mike Wells opined that the Browns “come around at the right time.” New York Jets: If there’s one team that has dismantled its roster to rebuild worse than the Browns, it’s the Jets. Cleveland should win, but Jets reporter Rich Cimini says “the Jets will have enough on defense to topple rookie DeShone Kizer, if he's still starting for the Browns.” Jacksonville: Jags reporter Mike DiRocco states merely that the Jags “should win.” Los Angeles Chargers: Maybe the image of the Chargers losing to the Browns on Christmas Eve lingers with me, because that did not look like a good team. Chargers reporter Eric Williams, though, points out that “the last time the Chargers lost at home against the Browns was 1991.” My retort: Will a converted soccer stadium in a new city be a home-field advantage? Chicago: I see the Browns squeaking this one out on the road on Christmas Eve. Jeff Dickerson says the Bears are “good enough to beat Cleveland.” This “lack of national respect” thing is an annual story for the Browns, and will be until they do something about it. Last season I picked the Browns to go 1-15, which they did. NFL Nation agreed, saying 1-15, with the only win over San Diego. I had them beating the Giants, which they didn’t. So the other NFL Nation reporters nailed it a year ago. The Browns can only hope they don’t nail it again in 2017.
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Don't shoot the messenger
I don't agree with it, because the homer in me won't allow it. I also don't see how we could possibly be worse this year...but these guys did call the Browns 1-15 season last year and even called which game they would win.
Seriously though...no way we go 0-16...if that would happen though, Haslam would have to clean house at that point...to go 1-31 over 2 years...no way anyone survives that in the NFL
Were not going 0-16 though...ik just wanted you all to see what the rest of the world thinks of us though.
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I don't think it's that far off. I think 3 wins is the ceiling if everyone stays healthy. One major injury to Thomas, Garrett, Collins, or Kirksey and I could see anywhere from 0-1 win.
I don't believe in talent gaps in the NFL largely because if you have a QB it elevates the play of the entire team. We don't have a QB ...we might, but we don't know yet. And we finally have a few names who are all pro caliber players, but beyond those few names the Browns are really, really bad.
It wouldn't surprise me that the strain of another awful season took it's toll on Jackson and he left on his own accord after this year.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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The schedule is weak. I think the Browns win 3 to 5 games, w/4 being the most likely number.
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You are a messenger that only seems to have negative messages.
Go Irish!
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Yeah 4 could be the number but I don't think people should get their hopes up that it will be more than that.
I'll add that I hope our idiot fan base and media doesn't try to run off this coaching staff and FO after this season. It's going to be really bad, but this is the price you pay to build something with some sustainability. The future is going to be bright but it's going to take time and pain.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You are a messenger that only seems to have negative messages. LOL.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Maybe it's the preseason Kool-aid, but I'm predicting 5 wins. I want to predict 6, but I think that might be too aggressive. That Tenn game could fall our way if we stop their run game.
Loss - Sep 10 Pittsburgh
Win - Sep 17 @Baltimore
Loss - Sep 24 @Indianapolis
Win - Oct 1 Cincinnati
Win - Oct 8 N.Y. Jets
Loss - Oct 15 @Houston
Loss - Oct 22 Tennessee
Loss - Oct 29 Minnesota
Loss - Nov 12 @Detroit
Loss - Nov 19 Jacksonville
Loss - Nov 26 @Cincinnati
Win - Dec 3 @L.A. Chargers
Loss - Dec 10 Green Bay
Loss - Dec 17 Baltimore
WIN - Dec 24 @Chicago
Loss - Dec 31 @Pittsburgh
I think Kizer will play well at the start of the season but will tail off a bit when defenses "figure him out".
NO WAY we go 0-16.
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I think we win 2 division games, beat NYJ, Jacksonville, Chicago
that's 5 wins IMO
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Total lack of credibility after that prediction.
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The title (article more than thread) is somewhat misleading. All the other teams' beat reporters think their teams should beat the Browns. They don't really think the Browns will go 0-16.
We won't get more respect until we consistently win games that matter. Hopefully that will be sooner rather than later.
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I'll add that I hope our idiot fan base and media doesn't try to run off this coaching staff and FO after this season. This. And most importantly, Haslam. If we go 0-15 I want everyone back next season. 5 friggin' years.
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Hey, we are undefeated in pre-season.
This team will prove them wrong.
We will be better than most think.
Seven wins.
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I'm sticking to my prediction. 6 wins.
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It's possible we win those five games plus a couple more. It's also possible we flounder at five. I don't see us winning fewer if everyone stays healthy. JMHO
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Yet there are very few examples of NFL teams where "everyone stays healthy".
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Predicting any team to go 0-16 is not wise.
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I understand that you did. I was just pointing out that it's not a very realistic expectation.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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The schedule is weak. I think the Browns win 3 to 5 games, w/4 being the most likely number. we're not far off. i said 4-6 wins and i'm setting at 5. of course if we could someway beat Pitt.in wk 1 all bet's are off
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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You are a messenger that only seems to have negative messages. LOL! Sorry! Hopefully this is the last negative one i have to post, and we do well from here on out.
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I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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The schedule is weak. I think the Browns win 3 to 5 games, w/4 being the most likely number. Honestly, I would be OK with 4-5 wins. We gotta start somewhere. I don't expect us to run before we learn how to walk. I know Kizer, and even Garrett may struggle at times..they are rookies after all. I just hope we can be patient enough to let things grow.
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The number of wins this season will depend a great deal on the run game, how Kizer develops, and injuries. I suspect that we will be able to run the ball well, and if Kizer develops, and we stay away from injuries, we could win 5 or 6.
I see our defense as being massively improved.
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Depends on which way the ball bounces early. Feels like the season could snowball either way pretty quickly.
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I think our ceiling is 500! We could surprise or be in several games but realistic me says 3-5 wins. I think possible wins are:
Sep 17 @Baltimore - We should split with them
Sep 24 @Indianapolis - Suck without Luck
Oct 1 Cincinnati - Tough, but we could get lucky and split
Oct 8 N.Y. Jets - This is a game we SHOULD win
Oct 22 Tennessee - Our D will put us in this one
Oct 29 Minnesota - D again
Nov 19 Jacksonville - D again
Dec 3 @L.A. Chargers - SHOULD WIN
Dec 17 Baltimore - see above
Dec 24 @Chicago - They are not a good team, 50/50
Dec 31 @Pittsburgh - Can Ben stay healthy? Will they need this game to get into the playoffs? We could have a chance.
Our D looks to be much improved. Our Oline is better and our QB situation was bad last year too but we were in a lot of games until the end. Gives me hope for this season.
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I think we'll have a winning record thru the first 5 games.
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Just like the last 99 out of 100 times those asshats got it wrong.
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The title (article more than thread) is somewhat misleading. All the other teams' beat reporters think their teams should beat the Browns. They don't really think the Browns will go 0-16.
We won't get more respect until we consistently win games that matter. Hopefully that will be sooner rather than later. This is a key point. Fans of opposing teams (and apparently even reporters) are almost always going to pick their teams to beat the Browns. The Browns earned that by going 1-15 last season. Let's use an example to prove a point. Say you are going to wager $1,000 on every Browns game, and you get to pick either side you want at even money/no point spread. Also, let's make this very simple and say the Browns have a uniform 25% chance of winning each individual game. The expectation would be for the Browns to go 4-12 although you would pick the Browns' opponent in every game for reasons which I hope are obvious. But that is not an 0-16 prediction.
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It's hard to go winless, I believe only the lions, 0-16, and the Bucs, 0-14 have done it since the NFL went to a 14 then a 16 game schedule. One and 15 has been done maybe 5 or 6 times since the league went to a 16 game schedule. I think it would really be long odd's if we went 0-16 after a 1-15 season. It's never been done before and I really believe we've improved. JMO
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Those parameters obviously aren't meant to be accurate for the Browns this season as they're far too simplistic. They might even be favored in some games judging from today (home vs Jets and Jaguars?)
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I agree w/you and Grimm and think a lot of people are misreading the article or didn't even take the time to read it.
It's not like a journalist or a few journalists said the Browns are going to go 0 and 16. It's extremely hard to be that bad.
Not too long ago, I posted all the teams that have won less than three games in a year. I think I went back 10 or 20 years. There were not that many.
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Yeah 4 could be the number but I don't think people should get their hopes up that it will be more than that.
I'll add that I hope our idiot fan base and media doesn't try to run off this coaching staff and FO after this season. It's going to be really bad, but this is the price you pay to build something with some sustainability. The future is going to be bright but it's going to take time and pain. I will get my hopes as high as a Superbowl win. Anything less than a Superbowl win is a failed season in my book. 11 wins, 2 wins. One might feel better, but you are still a loser. There is only one winner in the NFL.
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Hopefully this is the last negative one i have to post, and we do well from here on out. 0-16 is difficult to do for any team, even the Browns. The real question for me at least is how many wins will keep Hue his job for next year...
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It's hard not to be negative. The Browns are a complete mess. We have an owner who is trying to win as cheaply as possible. He hires people to run his team and acquire players, that know more about accounting than football. 0-16 is a very real possibility.
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Hopefully this is the last negative one i have to post, and we do well from here on out. 0-16 is difficult to do for any team, even the Browns. The real question for me at least is how many wins will keep Hue his job for next year... Next year, if Haslam keeps to his patience and understands everything, he'll be here but his leash will be extremely tight. I think Hue has destroyed our QB situation among harmful to other things/areas. I've never seen a worst football product than what I have these last two years, and boy have we've seen bad football over the years. Get him an OC. Even if he wants to call the plays, tell him no and get an OC.
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Looks like these guys got it right...team is unwatchable.
What hope I had of this team surprising some people this year have been quickly dashed, stomped on, peed on, crapped on, you name it....haven'r watched them in two weeks now.
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I hope we get Joe Thomas back next season and we make a hard play to acquire LUCK!
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http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-brown...wns-this-season0-16! That's what NFL Nation reporters predict for Browns this seasonWinless. Oh-and-16. That’s how the rest of the NFL world thinks the 2017 Cleveland Browns season will go. Thursday was the day for ESPN’s annual ritual of picking the results for each team’s game. Every NFL Nation reporter who covers his or her team does the picks. In picking the Browns games, I gave them five wins. I see them as improved, but that this will be another difficult growth season. In essence, this is the season that most expected last season. Instead, the bottom fell out and the Browns didn’t get their first win until the second-to-last game of the season. There are serious concerns on this team -- at receiver, tight end and the secondary. But there is enough new talent to get past the catastrophic 2016 season. This season, I think the Browns will show some growth. However, they haven’t proven that to the rest of the world. The reporters from NFL Nation who picked their games when playing the Browns in every case picked their team to win. They won’t beat the Jets, Jacksonville or Chicago. They won’t win a division game. They will complete the 0-16 season they flirted with a year ago. Ahem. Let’s take a look at the games I picked the Browns to win. Indianapolis: Without Andrew Luck, I don’t see the Colts as that threatening. Colts reporter Mike Wells opined that the Browns “come around at the right time.” New York Jets: If there’s one team that has dismantled its roster to rebuild worse than the Browns, it’s the Jets. Cleveland should win, but Jets reporter Rich Cimini says “the Jets will have enough on defense to topple rookie DeShone Kizer, if he's still starting for the Browns.” Jacksonville: Jags reporter Mike DiRocco states merely that the Jags “should win.” Los Angeles Chargers: Maybe the image of the Chargers losing to the Browns on Christmas Eve lingers with me, because that did not look like a good team. Chargers reporter Eric Williams, though, points out that “the last time the Chargers lost at home against the Browns was 1991.” My retort: Will a converted soccer stadium in a new city be a home-field advantage? Chicago: I see the Browns squeaking this one out on the road on Christmas Eve. Jeff Dickerson says the Bears are “good enough to beat Cleveland.” This “lack of national respect” thing is an annual story for the Browns, and will be until they do something about it. Last season I picked the Browns to go 1-15, which they did. NFL Nation agreed, saying 1-15, with the only win over San Diego. I had them beating the Giants, which they didn’t. So the other NFL Nation reporters nailed it a year ago. The Browns can only hope they don’t nail it again in 2017. There are actually people out there that think Hue is a good coach. You can't make this stuff up!!!
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