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Cleveland Browns: The front office went too far with rebuildhttps://dawgpounddaily.com/2016/11/17/cleveland-browns-5-long-term-steps-afc-north-contention/he Cleveland Browns experimented with using analytics in order to rebuild the organization. However, they overlooked one very important detail. The Cleveland Browns embarked upon a baseball-style rebuild entering into the 2016 football season. It was an experiment not only in the use of analytics for projecting future football performance but also an experiment in whether or not a rebuild of this style can work in the NFL. After last season, Jimmy Haslam, owner of the Cleveland Browns, went on a journey to see how successful professional sports organizations are managed. He then found a man in Paul DePodesta who has experience successfully tearing down and rebuilding professional sports franchises. He hired Sashi Brown as the executive vice president for football operations. With him, it was assumed that a full on analytical approach to team-building was underway. The duo of Brown and DePodesta even hired a coach whose major asset was the ability to motivate and get the absolute best out of players. Once the trio of the Browns Construction Company was in place, the rebuild began. The front office began stripping the roster of older and mid-range veterans whose salary did not match their level of play. In their place, the Browns sought to bring in younger players who could learn on the job with minimal decline in production. Gone from the roster were players like Donte Whitner, Paul Kruger, Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, Travis Benjamin, etc. The list is almost as long as the number of starting quarterbacks for the Browns over the past 16 seasons. All seemed to be going as planned. Without a strong analytics base already established in the NFL, the Browns decided to put analytics at work to fill out vision that head coach Hue Jackson brought to the team. The front office did not dictate schemes, styles or approaches. Instead, they let Jackson set the tone for the team and employed analytics to help identify players that would succeed at the NFL level. The success of the player personnel approach has yet to be determined. However, in this past draft, the Browns have found starters in the first, second and third rounds. Players acquired in the later rounds are still projects to be developed but are contributing nonetheless. The plan seemed to be working fine. But then a harsh reality that nobody in the front office anticipated set in. The NFL does not have a developmental league. This fact may seem trivial but it is vital to understanding why the Browns are struggling this season. Most professional sports organizations have a developmental league. Major League Baseball has a tiered minor league system. The same for the National Hockey League. The National Basketball Association is closest to the National Football League. It has a developmental league; but, it is not the main impetus for player development. Player development occurs often in European leagues and other leagues around the world. Only the NFL does not have a developmental league. The lack of a developmental league means that most of player development occurs at the NFL level. Players often come to the NFL having played in a spread offensive system which does not develop players for the NFL. It is argued that college football is not a developmental league and does not bear the responsibility for developing players for the NFL. Players often arrive at the NFL level unprepared to play NFL-style football. Paul DePodesta’s experience in team-building has come in organizations that have developmental leagues. Thus, during the initial tearing down phase of a rebuild, there are always professional ready players in the minor leagues simply needing a chance to compete. Those players are sufficient to keep the organization respectable while the front office works to infuse high-end talent into the organization. The architects of the Browns rebuild failed to take into consideration the level of NFL-ready players actually coming out of college football. In baseball terms, it is the equivalent of drafting high school and college kids and immediately playing them at the major league level. It rarely happens because those players are rarely ready to compete at that level. There are years of player development that must occur. The same is true for the NFL. Only in his second season is Danny Shelton starting to play like an elite player. Christian Kirksey, who is among the league leader in tackles, is in his third season. Players need time to be developed to play at the professional level. The Browns front office realized the lack of readiness for rookies to play in the NFL too late. They had already let all the above mentioned players leave. In their place are a lot of younger players who still need years to develop in order to be NFL quality players. To help the Browns next season, the front office needs to sign mid-level veterans, who may cost more, to make this team respectable while developing young talent. The front office needs to realize that player development happens at the NFL level. In order to successfully develop a player, there needs to be a model of how a professional approaches their job and how successful NFL football is played. Right now the coaching staff is being asked to develop players and win football games. It is too big of a burden for the staff to carry. The Browns rebuild was an experiment from the start. Nobody anticipated just how unprepared rookies are to play in the NFL. The Browns paved the way for future rebuilds to take this fact into account. In the meantime, they need support the staff and rookies by bringing in some players who can play (even if they are only mediocre players) to help speed this rebuild up.
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It's almost like we played all those rookies on purpose knowing it would help us get a high pick. . .
(Side note: The above article is nine months old.)
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by Jonathan Goehring 9 months ago
As a miserable 2016 regular season begins to wind down, the Cleveland Browns can only rely on looking forward to a multi-step process in order to contend.
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Simply put, This analytic approach Depodesta and Brown are tying to use will fail for 2 reasons:
1. The NFL doesn't have a developmental league like baseball, And they overestimated how NFL ready most rookies are coming out of the NFL draft.
2. They have no place to stash great talent and develop them without another team taking them away(Practice squad isn't safe) and the NFL 53 man roster doesn't give you space needed to stash players for development.
Drafting an NFL Rookie and playing him the equal to drafting a kid in baseball straight out of high school and then starting him off the get.
Its makes it very difficult for this analytic approach and stacking draft picks to work long term without a development league. (I don't think Sashi and Haslam thought about this)
This kinda stuff works in baseball because you can draft guys and then send them to the minors for a year or 2 and develop those guys while putting your best players on your main roster so you can always just keep cycle though players as you need them and how their development goes.
In the NFL though, putitng guys on the parctice squad opens them up to being picked up by other teams, and there is no real development league.
I think the Browns need to modify their approach and scale back a bit on stockpiling picks and focusing some of that energy towards getting successful experienced vets on the roster to help fill in with the young guys.
We will probably continue the course with this, but i don't see how it works without a developmental league...we will end up discarding too mnay good players who simply may need an extra year or two to develop simply because we don't have the ability to farm league them with how many picks and players we will be doing every year.
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I know the above article is 9 months old, but its still relevant.
The anaylitics system Depodesta uses RELIES on a developmental league...one the NFL doesn't have.
We are going to have to change things up a bit sooner rather then later if those guys want to be here longterm, because the lack of an NFL farm league puts a BIG hamper on the Anaylitics/moneyball plan of doing things.
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The Analytical approach got them a TON of value in Baseball but NEVER got them a ring!!!
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I was very worried about these guys and moneyball ... well they've proven they will spend money to resign our own and to get other FA's ... not much else u can ask for ...
Actions speak louder than words ... the money they threw at Kirksey and Collins and then Zietler and the two safeties we missed on ... that was in no way, shape or form moneyball style moves .. NOT EVEN CLOSE ...
Have they made some questionable decisions ... ABSOLUTELY ... but thats another story/issue ...
Say what u want about these guys ... no one can LOGICALLY ARGUE there cheap and not afraid to veer away from the moneyball model when it comes to signing or re-signing FA's ...
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The Analytical approach got them a TON of value in Baseball but NEVER got them a ring!!! You are aware that Theo Epstein is also from the same school of thought and has won numerous WS rings, right? As for the topic at hand, the results have made this the most promising rebuild in a long time. They have a legit franchise player in Myles Garrett. There is a lot of talent on defense. Lots of talent at offensive line. Additionally, "moneyball" is about not tying up signficiant investment into areas of a team that are not as valuable. For the most part, an average corner who can play decently is not hard to find. Its why Joe is gone. Inefficent for the money he was owed. Its the same way in baseball. Why waste money on an average 1st basemen, when there are 40 guys who can hit 20 hrs that play the position? Its not about being cheap, its about valuing the right positions at the right cost. I guess my problem is that people wanted their cake and want to eat it too. Building, despite what the NFL will have you believe, is a tough process in the NFL. It takes a long time to build a team from as far behind as this team was, to a winner. If that upsets you, oh well, go root for another team. But to quote 9 month old articles is not a wise arguement.
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In two years, after another huge influx of talent next year, it will look like a genius move.
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The article is not relevant.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
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I disagree completely with that. we are a better team this year than last year or the year before.
and after next years draft, we will be even better. imo.
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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I believe the jury is till out and that it depends on what one considers success to be.
Are we a better team than we were? To this point our record doesn't indicate that. We can predict we will but I've seen people doing that for what seems like forever now and the results do not show that to be the case.
And what will people consider success to be long term for this coaching staff and FO? For some it may be a .500 record. For some it may be making the playoffs. For some nothing short of a SB win will equal success. So to me success is quite set upon an individual basis.
Now I certainly won't predict a failure. Overall I like the majority of the moves being made. I do however refuse to just rubber stamp every move they make because they happen to be the powers that be.
It's far too early to make predictions about this group. It's far too early to draw conclusions. The jury is far from being in and there's a lot remaining to be seen.
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I think you should have put this article in mac's FO thread. I don't like to argue, so I will refrain from making further comments. 
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LOL you don't like to argue.....right.
The NFL doesn't have a development league, what do you call Division 1 college football. Why do many of our best athletes, who have no business going to college, go....to develop their football skills.
Time will tell IF front office has been successful, so far, JMHO, they have drafted well, when given TIME, and I hope for more success this year....time will tell.....GO Browns!!!
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I don't see it failing...I like what we are building. How bout we get a little more than the first year which was out right rebuilding and evaluate from that???
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I don't agree. None of the other sports, other than basketball, which was mentioned have college programs to act as their minor leagues.
Sure, baseball as an example has college programs, but the really good players usually sign out of HS and spend 3-4-5-6 years in the minors. Basketball to a lesser degree because they can sign pro after 1 year where in baseball they can't.
It's just not the same, so I don't think this can be called a failed expirement at this point. Not by any means.
I for one am excited about the direction. That might change in a few years, but we aren't there just yet.
Face it, we have had a lot of "traditional football guys" who have wrecked this team. Ray Farmer was a "good football guy". That bufoon was as bad as it gets.
Oh yeah...I want more of that imbecile.
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I feel we heading in the right direction and the rest is just hate.
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I look at so many of the rookies from last year and how they have developed, and I am really excited about the future. This team still has a lot of holes, but man, we actually have talent for once.
I hope this Shult kid finds a way to make the final roster. I like him more than some of the "names" ahead of him. He is very disruptive.
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Well Ytown if they are true to their word, it won't matter when or where you were drafted, it will only matter if you can play ball. We'll see.
I know a few places we will cut good players this year. But we will still have a few serious holes too. I'm very excited about the D this year. If they can play at this level every week, we are going to stun a bunch of teams. The O is a light year behind the D right now, but the season is just starting and the D is always a little stronger. Looking forward to watching no matter how bad our record. Haven't felt like this for a while.
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The "developmental" aspect we are counting on is apparently coaches. Horton was not it. They need to take up the slack, judge superior talent, and enforce competition.
Interesting article. Analytics is the flavor of the day and part of sports in the Bigs in some form. But is there still a place for the warrior-type whose chemistry is vital? Is that measurable with analytics. Need for those folks still remains. Itdoesn't rule out analytics, but the gamer factor is pretty important to me. I am hopelessly out of step with the modern, but still seems a valid concern even if a lessened priority. I guess I am trying to describe Draft Day.
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31 years!!!! Been since 1986 since we went 4-0 in preseason.
I know it ain't week 1 yet, but damn it feels good.
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Most professional sports organizations have a developmental league. Major League Baseball has a tiered minor league system. The same for the National Hockey League. The National Basketball Association is closest to the National Football League. It has a developmental league; but, it is not the main impetus for player development. Player development occurs often in European leagues and other leagues around the world. Only the NFL does not have a developmental league.
The lack of a developmental league means that most of player development occurs at the NFL level. Players often come to the NFL having played in a spread offensive system which does not develop players for the NFL. It is argued that college football is not a developmental league and does not bear the responsibility for developing players for the NFL. Players often arrive at the NFL level unprepared to play NFL-style football.
Paul DePodesta’s experience in team-building has come in organizations that have developmental leagues. Thus, during the initial tearing down phase of a rebuild, there are always professional ready players in the minor leagues simply needing a chance to compete. Those players are sufficient to keep the organization respectable while the front office works to infuse high-end talent into the organization.
The architects of the Browns rebuild failed to take into consideration the level of NFL-ready players actually coming out of college football. In baseball terms, it is the equivalent of drafting high school and college kids and immediately playing them at the major league level. It rarely happens because those players are rarely ready to compete at that level. There are years of player development that must occur.
This is the part that concerns me. the majority of players who come out of the draft are 2-3 years away from being "quality NFL players" IF you develop them rights...guys in the top 15 are supposed to be the exceptions, sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. However, while stockpiling picks sound great in theory...if most of your team is made up of 2nd or 3rd year guys...and you keep adding 9-12 picks per year, who do you cut? You end up cutting into your 2nd or 3rd year guys that may actually be good players, but will never get the development times due to the lack of a developmental league. Thus you are giving up on draft investments after 2-3 years which really doesn't make sense as college football is NOT a development league for the NFL...college football is so much different to the NFL not only in talent and speed, but offensive systems, defensive systems, etc....its literally culture shock to a lot of guys coming in from the college rank got literately learn football all over again. Baseball and other sports have a developmental system because of course those guys are not ready to play at that level from the get. What I am getting at is, with the "stockpile;e picks" Money ball thing, we are relying on players we pick out of the draft that not ready to play in the NFL yet, and then trusting evaluation process that hasn't given these guys 3-4 years of proper development time to see if they will actually pan out. Erving is a prime example...we gave up on a 1st rd pick after 2 years...why? because we don't have a development league, thats why...Erving was straight raw, the kid was in no way, shape or form ready to play at the NFL level yet, but this isn't uncommon for college guys...Reid in KC will probably develop Erving into a serviceable Right Tackle. Simply put i see this system discarding many players too soon that could help us down the road. There is reason guys like Walsh, Parcells, Bellichik, etc all make sure they have a core veteran group and then add young talent into that core group every year. look at the Browns roster...right now the only guys we have with more then 6 years of NFL experience are: Zeitler Thomas Britt Mcourtey Greco Britton 6 guys with 6 years or more expereince and one of them is a punter..... So next year, most of our cuts are going to be 2nd and 3rd years guys as they make up most of our roster...we are going to be giving up on draft choices far too soon,guys that could help us. No two ways around that when you have a 53 man roster and most of it is 2nd and 3rd year guys... expecting draft choices to turn into viable NFL starters within 2 years with no real veteran leadership is unreasonable...a big reason Qb fail here is because we simply do not give them enough time to develop. if Kizer isn't playing like Manning by game 3 fans will be calling for his head, and our coaching staff always seems cave at some point. Then we end up discarding a Qb after 10-15 games...guys not given time to develop. I hope it works, i'll take anything=ing at this point im sick of losing, but I just don't see how this current system is going to work when most of the people you will be cutting are 2nd and 3rd year guys to keep replacing them with rookies who are 2-3 years away from being full on NFL guys. Help me here, im all ears.
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I said give the front office three years before we have a good idea how they are going to pan out. So far it looks good IMO, BUT it's only the start of the second year so we have a long way to go. I will say I hated the move to let Schwartz go last year, and the decision to cut Joe the other day was not seen as a good move by some of the front office folks, or some of the coaches. But it proved one thing while Sashi is a team player, and he gets the opinions of everybody involved he is the one who makes the final decisions, and he is the one who will be getting the praise (of course he will give everybody else the credit)or get the blame (in which case he will take all the blame)
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Needless to say, but I think you are totally wrong. But I said it anyway 
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yes you are right 3 more off seasons like last year we will only win 12 games. your are iffy at best last year ogbah and coleman this year Peppers,Garrett,Tretter,and Seitzler(spelling).
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Needless to say, but I think you are totally wrong. But I said it anyway LOL Daman this isn't a right or wrong thing. I am just asking how we are supposed to develop a team when we don't have a developmental league like Baseball, and our entire strategy is stockpiling picks for a limited 53 man roster. ideally, Depodesta plan would work in baseball for example by taking those guys and stashing them on the farm team and bringing guys up as needed, even if it takes 4 years for a guy to develop, its no big deal, you have a farm team...draft picks are not wasted. You are able to sign veterans and stash your draft picks on the farm team till they are ready to call up. Since we can't do that in the NFL, we will be drafting 9-10 guys per year, and next year we will be cutting guys that are 2nd and 3rd year players since most of the veterans on the roster are gone. I sure hope it works, logically it doesn';t sound like it will BUT we have tried everything else at this point, so we might as well see this one though to the end. It couldn't be any worse then what we have tried in years past.
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GM, were Hue and Sashi on the same page in regards to Haden? Are you hearing they have a good working relationship? Hue always says he needs to check in with the FO. Is that by design due to this collaborative approach or does he feel obligated to do so?
Any knowledge you can share in regards to any of that?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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GM, were Hue and Sashi on the same page YES GM, were Hue and Sashi on the same page in regards to Haden? I don't know, and as the front office is all on the same page when it comes to working together I don't think anybody wants to answer that question honestly if they were not. Are you hearing they have a good working relationship? Yes they do. Do they agree 100 percent of the time..... hell no, nobody does not even Happily married couples agree 100 percent of the time. Hue always says he needs to check in with the FO. Is that by design due to this collaborative approach or does he feel obligated to do so? It's due to a collaborative approach and TEAM WORK. Everybody is pulling together rather than in different directions like they have at times with other front offices/coaching staffs since our return in 1999.
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Thanks GM. That all sounds promising. Not all decisions will have 100% buy in and someone will have to make the final call. That's sashi's job.
Reading some other things over on the OBR it seems if we do have a coach - GM type of stalemate it falls under the typical "coach is trying to win for this year while the GM is thinking about the long term" paradigm. I think Haden is the perfect example of that. I read the coaching staff wasn't thrilled but understood. I think Sashi didn't see Haden with the team in the long term and made the call because of that.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I'm just curious how much input did Williams have in that Haden decision - if it was he that made up his mind that Haden was not going to start and was putting Taylor, McCourty and Boughty ahead of him. Also what is our evaluation of the young DBs on our roster? All I know is that so many posters were saying that he was slow, washed up, doing bad. I defended him all preseason as I really didn't see these bad things. Now all I'm hearing is how it was a mistake???
I don't think its going to hurt us in the long run. I don't know some of the young guys to state its going to hurt us in 2017.
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Simply put, This analytic approach Depodesta and Brown are tying to use will fail for 2 reasons:
1. The NFL doesn't have a developmental league like baseball, And they overestimated how NFL ready most rookies are coming out of the NFL draft.
2. They have no place to stash great talent and develop them without another team taking them away(Practice squad isn't safe) and the NFL 53 man roster doesn't give you space needed to stash players for development.
Drafting an NFL Rookie and playing him the equal to drafting a kid in baseball straight out of high school and then starting him off the get.
Its makes it very difficult for this analytic approach and stacking draft picks to work long term without a development league. (I don't think Sashi and Haslam thought about this)
This kinda stuff works in baseball because you can draft guys and then send them to the minors for a year or 2 and develop those guys while putting your best players on your main roster so you can always just keep cycle though players as you need them and how their development goes.
In the NFL though, putitng guys on the parctice squad opens them up to being picked up by other teams, and there is no real development league.
I think the Browns need to modify their approach and scale back a bit on stockpiling picks and focusing some of that energy towards getting successful experienced vets on the roster to help fill in with the young guys.
We will probably continue the course with this, but i don't see how it works without a developmental league...we will end up discarding too mnay good players who simply may need an extra year or two to develop simply because we don't have the ability to farm league them with how many picks and players we will be doing every year. Where does Joe Haden fit into your analysis ^^ up there. Haden is the consomate everything you could want for a guy at his position. Cutting a guy like that is the problem Not the other things, and this isn't the 1st time, or 2nd or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th, or 6th, or 7th, or 8th time something like this has happened. The Cutting your own good players thing is hurting the Browns WAY MORE than anything they are or aren't doing, trying to add talent and trying to team build. The Browns finaly have a good team together, The Browns are probably "almost" a playoff team, 10 days ago, then Cut Joe Haden, and Who knows what you have now. Cutting a good player has a ripple effect. It trickles down,(it dominoes out),(it spreads like a wave), to more burden of responsibility on each individual other player that benefited as a group from the role the good player provided. This same way ^^ Adding a Good player also has a ripple effect (For benefit), on those around him. To the quote above, Noting is going to matter if when you do whatever the right answer is, if you finally get a good player or group together, if you can't keep them together. If you Can't keep the team together you might as well give everything else up, It doesn't matter what method of construction you use if when you get them all together you say, "ah screw it; I don't like the way it looks, let's build a whole other group." It doesn't matter how you build a sandcastle if it is in the path of the tide. And I don't think they went too far with the re-build, the problem is "How long can they keep this current group of Cleveland Browns' together as a team".
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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The Cutting your own good players thing is hurting the Browns WAY MORE than anything they are or aren't doing, trying to add talent and trying to team build.
I disagree with this part of your post (while agreeing that you have to keep your good players). . . . I think the worst - absolute worst thing to hurt the Browns in the last 20 years of misery and misfortune - is/was/forever shall be - RAY FARMER. His drafts and his worst FA in the history of NFL signing Dwayne Bowe. With that said I agree you HAVE to keep your good players - and I think Collins (acquisition and signing to long term), Bitonio, Kirksey - are all indicators this FO can and will keep their good players. With regard to Sashi and this FO: RS was a mistake. I can forgive them for a number of reasons. Mack was never going to resign. Players like Gabriel and Benjamin ... Gipson ... they were okay players for the Browns. And I might like to have Gabriel on the team right now. But they really didn't do enough on Sundays in their Browns uniforms to make them Grade A errors. So then we come to Haden - and I think he will be a huge part of any evaluation of this FO's decision making process with their own players. If he can be 80-85% of the player he was - we made a hug mistake. If he is only a little better than he was the last 2 years when he was on the field, we made the right choice imo. Regardless of how good a person he was. . . with his loss of speed and being so handsy - I think he is going to struggle. But if he plays well for Pit - it will be a glaring black eye for the Browns.
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I should say I would have liked Gipson on the team last year - but he signed for a 5 year $36 million contact - I don't think he is one of the top 10 safeties in the NFL .... and if you overpay to keep your guys ... is that really the right way to build a team especially when you know you are not going to be good in the next 12-24 months?
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As the cap goes up, salaries go up. Look at the five top paid QB's in the league and tell me where you rate all of them. Do you rate Stafford a top five QB in the league?
People need to stop comparing contracts with those signed a few years ago.
How about the G we signed, Zeitler? We signed him as the highest paid G in the league. Where do you rate him?
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Thanks GM. That all sounds promising. Not all decisions will have 100% buy in and someone will have to make the final call. That's sashi's job. Yes it is and he has no problem owning up to it. We will sink or swim because of his decisions Reading some other things over on the OBR it seems if we do have a coach - GM type of stalemate it falls under the typical "coach is trying to win for this year while the GM is thinking about the long term" paradigm.
BUT for once we have a front office and coaching staff who want to win, and who are on the same page.
[quote] I read the coaching staff wasn't thrilled but understood. I think Sashi didn't see Haden with the team in the long term and made the call because of that. We see and understand the same thing bro.
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