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Btw----------I am not dismissing your point of view, but it seems to me that you challenged two other posters w/your post. That's cool. But, isn't it also cool if I challenge your post?

Or, is it just you who is allowed to do so?

Bottom line, Kizer has a lot of obstacles to overcome. When you don't even have a freaking snap count in college......Man, that's crazy!

I am NOT saying he can't do it. I'm just saying that those who point out his challenges are not really out of line.

But again, that is just my opinion and have no problem if you disagree w/it.

I mentioned about screens the other day. Effective screens depend on the QB selling that the ball is going another way. Hoyer was the last Browns QB that could regularly do that. Kizer has demonstrated that ability early, and I like it.

I was hoping Brock would show enough to justify keeping Kizer off the field for at least a few games. He didn't. I'm now hoping Hue/Lee can build game plans that will bring him along without building bad habits. Hue did that with Flacco.

People do read the board before they register.

Way back when I 1st came to the original Dawg Talk board, when we still used horse drawn carriages for transportation, and just after Al Gore invented the internet, i read the board for a couple of months before joining. I joined right about, if not on, Sept. 11, 2001. That tragedy is what pushed me into joining the board.

Many times, people read the board long before before ever writing a word.

I have no way of knowing if this is the case with the poster you replied to or not though.

thanks for this

You know you make a really great point with regard to Kessler last year. I wrote my initial post regarding some of the bad game day play calling I have seen all too frequently from Hue - and my belief that we need a dedicated OC. But you are correct that last year, despite some of the game management issues and some questionable play calls/designs - Hue did do an outstanding job with Kessler. That should and does inspire some confidence that he can do the same with Kizer.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/deshone_kizer_is_the_second_be.html

interesting take

Yes - thank you.

25 minutes -- this is absolutely dead nuts on. Talking about making this year about Kizer ... forget how Brock plays, whether it is good or bad, make all your decisions and do everything based on what is best for the maximum and best development of Kizer. Hopefully that is what Hue is doing.

Hue said they were gonna be tied to the hip and they have been. hell this competition was a competition but it was set up for Kizer to win it. He was getting first team reps from day 1. You dont do that unless you are planning on this kid playing. Got the most reps in practice, got the most reps in games and now he is gonna be getting all first team reps from here on out.

I agree.

The more I reflect on the situation, the more I think that it was the plan of the FO and Hue to start Kizer this season from the get-go.

He got first team reps when Cody was the supposed starter. Brock did not.

He then got first team reps when Brock was named the starter. Cody did not.

In the games, he got the most snaps and they even took Brock out early in game 2 to get Kizer some reps w/the ones.

How I see it:

If Kizer was running around like a chicken with his head cut off, or only being given plays where he has to read half the field, then I wouldn't think he's ready to carry the load.

There is absolutely, 100% no doubt that he has a lot to learn. And there will be bumps along the way.

But so far he has passed the "eye test" of being ready to handle more. He's playing from the pocket. He's reading the whole field, albeit slowly. Tonight should be an interesting test. If he can handle starting in the preseason, then I think he'll be ready to handle more come Week 1.

Does that mean he'll be 100% ready? No. But no first time starting QB ever is. He has to learn by doing. Sitting will only slow his development.

He gets the reps until: 1) he completely blows it; 2) he gets hurt......hope neither occurs.....GO Browns!!!!

unless he gets injured, I want to see Kizer get every rep, snap, and minute of playing time ... I don't care if we're 0-15. He's either "the guy" or we know to draft one with all of our ammo in April

We,the fans, have got to remember he's 21. My biggest worry and hope is he listens to Hue and gets down- the competitor in him and youth scares me. We need him for 16 games....hard to understand at 21.....GO Browns!!!!

Jameis Winston did it recently and he's like two weeks younger.

(I know this means nothing.)

I've thought that to be the case the moment they asked Hue why they named Brock Preseason Game 1 starter and Hue's reply was distribution of reps.

He had to "earn it" in a sense but was given the path to start.

I'm a mystic

Hey! Welcome back.... haven't seen you around here in what seems like forever, lol

Gracias. I lurk from time to time. This is one of those topics I feel pretty strongly about.

Hue is giving Kizer a series to milestones he needs to reach in order to start and so far he's passed all of them. I think that ultimately determines whether or not a rookie QB is going to be "killed" or not.

There's only a certain amount of seasoning that sitting will allow for. The rest has to come from hands on experience. JMHO of course.

You know I dont like seeing Kizer take a big hit but I saw how the team responded when he plowed into those backers and got up and pointed. They were pumped. Players respect that and he may have needed that to win over some of the vets. Passion for the game means a hell of a lot. now if he is balling and still does that then those same vets need to put a hand on his shoulder and whisper into his ear, dont be a dumbass we need u on the field not in the rehab center.

Just show him a clip of Josh 'Helicopter' McCown ... hopefully he'd get it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVqGmXDm440

I was wrong here. I thought I could go back to c's recent posts and quicky find a bunch of examples of him doing this and I really couldn't.

Well it seems that the coach wants to start Kizer for this week 3 preseason. As he has confidence in the kid. Ready for week 1 for real come September 10th!

Kizer is definitely capable of being capable (haha if that makes sense). Still some poor decisions and forcing stuff ... drops did him no good tonight either.

He did seem poised, made nice adjustments with protections, etc.

It’s going to be an up and down year no doubt. We really didn’t run much offense and that’s to be expected. The throw in the first quarter makes yo go WOW, but like you said still a ton to work on.

Should be fun this year seeing how he progresses.

The kid I saw tonight is not ready.

Hopefully Hue will keep the game plans simple. He can protect Kizer and ease him in with how he calls the game. If we see what we saw tonight in terms of play calls in the regular season, Kizer is going to have a 40% completion percentage.

He's a rookie, and there will be growing pains, but it looks like we might be able to move the ball with him.

The problem is Kessler is just horrible. He is limited physically and he looks completely lost right now. BO wasn’t much better. I agree with Bp that Kizer doesn’t look ready, but we don’t really have a good choice.

I think the thought process is one of these guys can get better and might develop....the other two are just really bad QBs.

j/c:

I am not going to make a big deal of this, but I think the smartest thing to do would be to start Brock at the beginning of the year and give this kid some time to learn the complexities of the position.

What I saw tonight out of Kiser.

On the positive;

Poised. The stage did not seem to big for him. I thought he was in command of the offense. Did not get rattled when backed up inside the 10 yard line on the road. Has a big arm to stretch the field and looks to take shots. (There will be times when the running game is clicking that the big arm and liking to take shots will meet after a play action pass). We all know he can run the ball but he seems comfortable standing in the pocket. I really liked the 3rd down conversions with Coleman. On three occasions I really thought he threw Coleman open. The 3rd down inside the ten slant that Coleman laid out for was both a beautiful throw and catch. The 3rd down where Kiser placed the ball perfectly over the defender where Coleman went up and and brought the ball down. The last was called back on a (phantom offensive pass interference) where Kiser threw a perfect back shoulder throw that would have extended the drive that ended in his INT.

On the negative;

Like most rookies he can be baited by the defense into mistakes. The 10 yard pass almost intercepted toward the end of the half. He also struggles with some accuracy issues from time to time. The almost int was thrown to the inside of the WR giving the CB a great chance to pick it. He made a couple high throws to open receivers. Again like most rookies they will find that throwing windows close much faster in the NFL, His INT on 3rd and 15 is a case in point.

Here is what I think we should do w/the QB position, but will not go nuts on the staff if they disagree:

--Start the year w/Brock

--Groom Kize to start after the bye week if Brock sucks. If Brock is playing okay, give the kid a year to learn.

--Cut Cody.

--Keep Hogan.

Every throw that Kize made against TB:

[quote=Versatile Dog]Here is what I think we should do w/the QB position, but will not go nuts on the staff if they disagree:

--Start the year w/Brock

--Groom Kize to start after the bye week if Brock sucks. If Brock is playing okay, give the kid a year to learn.

--Cut Cody.
I agree with this. DK is not ready. Start Brock and let DK sit to mid- season. Let him sit so he can learn the O better then ease him in. He's too young and inexperienced at this time.

Thanks for the video. That is all of the game I got to see.

Kizer wasn't perfect by any means and it would be easy to nit-pic but all in all he looks like an NFL QB. A rookie NFL Qb but still. Who was the last Browns Qb that we could say that about?

Got baited a few times but got away with a few because of his arm strength. Will have a lot of interceptions this year but I like his potential. He'll learn from his mistakes. My biggest issue with him is that he tends to throw the ball too high to the receiver.

The other thing that jumps out to me is Britt. I'm not sure how safe his roster spot is. If we had some decent candidates he'd be gone. I was hopeful for him but man, he looks like he doesn't want to be out there

He is 100% safe.

So now you are suddenly smarter than Hue?

No, not at all. And that is why I prefaced my comments by saying "I am not going to make a big deal of this, but I think..."

That's quite a bit different from your takes that were so far up Kizer's ass that you could smell his mouthwash.

Wanna keep going, bro?

I feel more positive after watching tonght's game.

Feeling good

Just wanted to give you a taste of what you had been dishing out everytime i made a comment lately.

I said weeks ago that Kessler might be a camp cut.