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You realize that it was her and her friends who cornered him on the stairwell asking about sex and not the other way around? And that they didn't leave after he told them to buzz off.

I hope those facts don't make it harder to white knight.

First let me say....You don't know this guy assaulted this woman.

Even the authorities aren't sure if there was an assault.
She pressed charges, & they're obligated to charge him at this point.

Personally, my Spidey sense is tingling, something about this doesn't smell right.

You saw the Mixon video. At 225 lbs. he dropped that women cold. Add another 75 lbs., & that gal is not walking out of that club on her own steam.

Mixed messages on the witness front, the girls she was with, vs. the club mgr. & the bouncer.

The timing of the settlement, just before the draft, like that doesn't stink.

I say, let the investigation run it's course & if he's guilty then fire all the moral bullets you want. There's a due process that everyone is entitled too.

PS, why is no one banging the table on Conley ( Buckeye ) or the Michigan kid?

Personally, I think you ALL are stating opinions and hearsay as fact. Both sides.

Were any of you there? Do you really know what happened? I doubt it.

NRTU, specifically...

I think this year situations like this are a bigger deal because there were a couple, and they're all getting lumped in together. You have Mixon, in which he was proven 'guilty' and given a punishment, and then you have Conley and Caleb, where it was more recent and the investigations are still ongoing.

On the flip side, past years have seen examples of this type of situation being carried out with the intent of causing the player to fall in the draft.

It's easy to see why folks want to take sides.

I'm not sure what you posted because I have you blocked.

I have no desire to reopen your posts, feel free to do the same. Thank you.

Cool.

http://florida.247sports.com/Bolt/Woman-...ks-out-52480690

Woman tries to settle in Brantley case, bar owner speaks out

The case involving former Florida defensive tackle Caleb Brantley, a high-profile player gearing up for this week's NFL Draft, took a few new twists and turns on Tuesday as the State Attorney's Office reviews the case and the Gainesville Police Department's recommendation for a misdemeanor battery charge against Brantley.

First, the woman alleging that Brantley punched her in the face and knocked her unconscious following a verbal spat in the early morning hours outside a Midtown bar on April 13 has reportedly sought a settlement in the case. The Tampa Bay Times reported that Huntley Johnson, Brantley's attorney, turned down those offers at Brantley's insistence over the last two days.

Reports Matt Baker, of the Tampa Bay Times:

"I was approached by lawyers representing the alleged victim, both yesterday and today," Brantley's attorney, Huntley Johnson, said Tuesday evening. " They indicated to me they were meeting with the State Attorney's Office tomorrow and that they want to settle the case today. I called Mr. Brantley and communicated what they said to me. He told me that under no circumstances were we to offer them money or give them any money. He said no."

Second, the owner of the bar in question, Fat Daddy's, has also spoken out. Yahoo! Sports' Jason Cole reports that the bar owner said the woman involved "repeatedly" hit Brantley in the chest and arms, while a security guard present also said she punched him in the mouth. The GPD incident report says the woman pushed Brantley, who then retaliated with a punch.

However, the security guard added that the woman was never knocked unconscious and Brantley did not punch her, only pushed her away.

Brantley has maintained from the start that he acted solely in a reactionary manner, pushing the woman away. The GPD report from the incident indicates that two witnesses identified Brantley as punching the woman.

Cole notes that the two witnesses in question are the woman's "roommate and a high school buddy of the roommate."

Brantley was widely considered a strong candidate to be selected in the first three rounds of the NFL Draft prior to the incident. It's unclear how the incident will impact his draft status.

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/c...ng-away/2321510

I can't seem to copy the video from the above link to here but it shows the unconscious woman and her two victims leaving the club after the incident. For someone that apparently got knocked unconscious and lost a tooth, she apparently held up better than I would have in the same situation.

I didn't see that video clip before, so thank you. So after this apparent fight, one of the girls wants to go to another person's house and "beat their [censored] thing looks bizarre to me.

I should have mentioned the victim was the one in the middle.

I'm not going to stand up for the guy. My word is far too important to me to back something I'm not involved in.

However I ran security at a bar for a few years and this brings back so many memories. The girl at the end of the video saying sorry is enough for me to believe brantley is likely innocent. I can't tell you how many times some drunk girl got in an altercation, claimed assault and walked out screaming or falling over herself only to have the friends apologize to staff for her. She certainly wouldn't be saying it if the girl in question wasn't at fault. No one cares about the staff unless they're party in question f'ed up. Also I can't tell you how many times I've had punches to the face from those same girls. I definitely didn't always react as gentlemanly as I'd like. Sometimes it's reactionary.

Oh and spirit I get that you're playing white knight right now but I'm guessing you are from an older generation. This generation that has gender equality spewed into their faces 24/7 their entire lives does not believe as you do. Take it for what you will but i dont care if the girl was 120 or not if she came at me even as a professional i was trained to incapacite after one hit. I don't care what's between your legs you don't attack people and deserve the repercussions. Frankly treating them like flowers breeds a terrible generation of women. Most would never do something like that.

I don't know the person, but I like his play.

This could be an absolute steal of the draft. if...this turns out to be a mole hill and we can bring him into the family.

Something could still come up to change my take on this issue but several days after the news broke and the Browns took Brantley nothing more concrete has been made public. Now that he's been selected by the Browns I'm hoping that he is exonerated. That may sound selfish but I will take that hit. This team, our team, needs every break that comes our way.

I think that the Browns Front Office will make it clear to Brantley that he has no margin for error. I think Greg Williams will send the same message related to his preparation, effort and execution. I think if Brantley starts getting out of line, in the least, once he's in camp Brown's players who have already bought into winning in Cleveland won't tolerate anything or anyone on the team who does not share that mission.

I have a question for you guys:

Are any of you aware of his motivation issues? Do you really think his success/failure is all about the alleged attack?

I think folks are less worried about success/failure and more wondering whether or not he'll make the team.

Like putting the cart before the horse. That's how I see it at least. Step 1 is to see how these legal issues shape up. Step 2 is how he performs

If he does make the team he's a 1v1 nightmare for guards WHEN he wants to. Insanely strong punch and shed, quick hands. Ive noticed he does come off the ball and engage at full force but he seems to think its beneath him to pursuit. To an extreme level. He'll toss an OG like a rag doll but instead of chasing the qb he'll just jog towards him even if he's only a few feet away. He also looks in terrible shape. If he responds to new training and Williams tough was approach he could bloom. If he trained and hustled as hard as he sheds blocks he'd be all pro material.

Interesting take. Hope you are right.

Yes, I'm aware of it. I've seen it on tape. I also see the tremendous talent this kid has. What shouldn't the Brown's try to coach it out of him?

This guys presence in the league is hanging by a thread. If he wants a career in football he needs to maximize the opportunity at hand. If he can't figure that out his agent should be making that plain. Add to that Brantley is going into a defense ran by a disciplinarian.

I look to what William's did with Nick Fairley as a parallel to this situation. Fairley just signed something like a $30 million deal with New Orleans after playing in the Rams defense under William's tutelage. I don't see why he can't do something like that again, this time in Cleveland.

Hope you are right.

Btw.................does anyone on here other than me ever try to look at things from both sides?

There are a couple of guys like mac who knocks everything the Browns do.

Most of the rest of you defend each and every Brown's move w/vigor.

How many people actually try to be objective?

I don't think you are referring specifically to me. In this case I think quite a few people acknowledge this situation could turn on a dime. AND that the player has flaws that make his success less than certain.

First off he had better hope that this little incident ends up favoring his side of the story before he evens decides to unpack his bags and get a post office box. I have a feeling that is the main issue....

If he is comfortable knowing he did nothing wrong in this particular event then he needs to search himself for why he is here with this opportunity and what he needs to do to prove himself. I have nothing to suggest that the front office and coaching staff are not aware of the talk of his lack of motivation but I am sure they made it clear to him that being a 6th round pick with this much baggage walking through the door will not be allowed a lazy day. This is his shot and it wont take long with a coach like Williams to find out what kind of motor and drive this kid has. I am sure he will get plenty of tough love going forward and we shall see how he handles it.

Of course. But no one wants to write off our future before they get their jersey numbers, let alone before rookie mini camp. If you want to poop in the punch, we can't stop you. But don't turn around and ask why no one else is doing it.

and the gold medal for Jumping to Conclusions in the 2017 Olympics goes to Spiritbro.

With so many picks, this was one they could gamble with. Wish they'd done the same with La'el Collins. Worst case, we waste a sixth. Best case, we have a steal. And there is enough ambiguity in the whole sordid tale to warrant the move.

That's gold.

I think he bumbs bryant out out of the starting role.

I think the team is going to try to have Ogunjobi and Brantley attached at the hip. Hopefully Larry rubs off on him more than the other way around as far as work ethic. Falling to the 6th might also provide some motivation for him. At the tail end of the Draft you are looking for individual traits that translate and hoping you might be able to get the rest to come together.

Don't count your chickens too soon. Although if someone steps up and closes the gap in talent with Bryant he could be cut. I just don't think anyone will do that. Yet. It would rollover 3 mil if we cut him though

Folks, don't get me wrong. I am just saying the Browns are better off just cutting him and not dealing with this. Longterm is just a distraction.

At the last 3 companies I worked at, just "being charged" with a crime like this would be enough to get you fired. No ands, ifs, or buts...you get charged with a crime like this, your gone. The company simply won't tolerate it.

the Browns need to set the culture that such behaviors and types of people will not be part of this organization. We shouldn't have even drafted him in the 1st place.

His coach at the Gators even told every NFL team that would listen not to draft his guy, and to not even sign him as an undrafted FA

http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2017/04/29...went-undrafted/

there is a reason for this.

It should be policy that being charged with such a crime is grounds for dismissal without pay. Each player is responsible for not putting themselves into situations that could result in them getting in trouble. As an NFL player know you cna't go out to bars anymore, or being doing the hoodrat stuff you were doing as a kid....expectations are different now.

I guess every Fortune 500 company in American with such policies that lets people go(fires them) who get charged with such crimes are evil greedy companies right?

By all accounts, as of yet, there's nothing to deal with and quite a hefty amount of information indicating there will be nothing to deal with in the future and we got a mega steal.

Sure, a red flag could pop up and then yeah, we don't even bother and go our separate ways.

The report about his coaches is also false. Mary Kay Cabot.

smh. why not just draft Vincent Taylor. Great production, size, strength, level of competition, clean background, appreciative of everything he has after Katrina. instead we draft a combine warrior and someone with character flags.

This guy definitely does not seem to fit the mold that our other guys fit into. He's definitely an outlier, and it makes me think that this pick was by request of Gregg Williams, or something... and it being Round 6, I'm guessing they just shrugged and said "why not?".


I'm betting that we will hold onto him until and unless something solid comes down against him at which point we will cut ties ASAP. On the off chance that it all just goes away and is a non-issue, then we possibly got a steal (if he can be kept clean).

yeah I'm sure that's the thinking.

Still, if you ask me "which player do you want" between Taylor and Brantley, I take Taylor straight up. Then, you add the character risk, the bad PR, and the potential that he'll be facing charges and it's kind of a "what are you thinking" situation to me.

But then, it's not the first, the hundredth, or the last time that I will disagree with the FO on an evaluation.

I think you're too quick to write him off. I think he is innocent of assault. I think he did nothing more than defend himself.

Charges have been filed.


That doesn't mean he did anything. In cases like this the DA usually file charges.


It's a shame people don't still believe in innocent until proven guilty. I don't know if he did what was accused or not. Time will tell. Until he is proven guilty, the guy is innocent. End of story.

What do you mean by combine warrior?

If you want to falt his character, fine, but Brantley was head and shoulders above Taylor long before any combine friend.

I was referring to Ogunjobi as the combine warrior... the two guys we drafted at DT.

I am under the impression that the Browns coaches got their hands on Larry at the senior bowl and watched him work closely and with direction. Its amusing how quick people write off guys from lesser schools because they never heard of them or there isn't much for them to look at. Apparently the guy was rated in the top 150 for some but that means nothing I suppose.