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The bottom line is no matter what QB you draft and wherever he may be drafted you don't know how good he may be. Nobody expected Prescott or Brady to be what they are now and there are other examples. More fail than succeed. It could be Watson or Kizer at 12 or Webb or Mahommes in the 2nd or 3rd round. I agree we need to get someone in here for the future. Who I'm not sure but it's not like we haven't tried. We all know the list since "99. We're due for a break. Let's hope it comes this year. We've had enough bad luck with these picks.

quote above by eotab:

"Watson could get a good season of training as long as #1 n #2 stay healthy."

#1 & #2?

Do you mean Browns quarterbacks?

Watson would be lucky to get a good two quarters under his belt.

I don't completely hate any of these qbs but I'm not convinced any of them will be top 12 qb. I could see any of the 3 being 15-20 and maybe floating a tier on a good year but I don't think you use a 1st on a guy like that.

That said I still feel that the highest potential of the class belongs to mahomes or trading for jimmy. And because of that I'd love to sign tyrod for 3 and take mahomes in the 2nd. Jmho

Thats kinda how I see the draft too, only Mahomes might not be there at 33, as KC at 27 is said to be very high on Mahomes. Take him at 33 and don't look back

If you are sure of anything about a QB who has two career starts, then you are probably not doing things the right way.

But yes, you are correct in your statement.

I feel we should try and get AJMcCarron.

Eww

Could see that happen. I like McCarron, don't know if hr's a star, but with a good running game and very good defense could be a winning combination. Feel the same about Glennon.

Why waste the picks for AJ? I'm not saying he's garbage and I'm not kesslers homeboy but he's almost a carbon copy of kessler as a prospect but kessler has performed better with less of a supporting cast.

The problem with Kessler and it's a big one predator,is that his arm is below-average enough that he will not be more than a good backup who might win games here and there. He is not the answer IMO

I agree he most likely isn't the answer and that his arm is average on a good day but mccarron is average himself in that manner.

Tabber - what is it u like more about Mitch than Jimmy?

IF we take Garoppolo or Tyrod Taylor I don't see why we would take Trubisky or Watson. Maybe if one of them falls to #12 Hue will be tempted but, to get JG it may very well take the #12 to score him. If we use that 1st rd pick in a trade that guy becomes the starter no matter what. The pressure on playing anybody we then draft in the 1st rd becomes huge but, it also sends an odd message and tension in the QB room to the guy you just traded away a high pick for.

My feeling is if we get JG we then use the #1 for Garrett or Allen....or, we trade down a few spots and take Adams. We then get Mahomes or even Dodd later down the road.

If we pick up Tyrod Taylor that gives us a bit more flexibility and we could take a QB higher as we are not trading a pick. But, still I think we go for a QB later.

I am with Vers in thinking the gamble is big for Watson/Trubisky and it is also big for JG/Tyrod. But, the latter have played in the NFL, started in the NFL, won in the NFL and have been coached in different professional systems to see defenses and to read the complex playbooks. That right there makes the vets less of a gamble than the untested college kid.

If we make a trade/pick up TT then RG3 is probably done. Kessler becomes the #2. IF we draft Watson or Trubisky then we keep RG3 and drop Hogan. Hogan may be gone either way.

Wow.

If Ben is Worthless then what do you call the long line of stiffs we've trotted out as QB since Ben was drafted? Not one of them is in the same galaxy.

I hate the Steelers, too, but sometimes it's ok to let reality in.

As an NFL QB Ben is a HOF SB winning QB.

As a human being. Yes, I think he's pretty worthless.

Oh, no doubt he's a turd, d-bag and a tool. I thought we were talking about QB play.

I'm not really disputing your point. I'm just going to add that teams spend #1 draft picks on NCAA QB's all the time that have zero plays in the NFL.

So the word "sure" may be an overstatement. But you must evaluate all of your options and come to a decision as to who you believe has the best potential. So you have to be "sure" of your choice. QB isn't a position where you simply insert name here.

Your score is: 10942 (GRADE: B+)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 21 (DET): Patrick Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech (C+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Dan Feeney, OC, Indiana (B+)
Round 2 Pick 9 (CINN): Desmond King, CB/FS, Iowa (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: Haason Reddick, OLB, Temple (A)
Round 2 Pick 21 (DET): Obi Melifonwu, SS, Connecticut (B)
Round 3 Pick 1: Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee (A)
Round 3 Pick 39: Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Tanoh Kpassagnon, DE, Villanova (A-)
Round 5 Pick 1: Damontae Kazee, CB, San Diego State (A+)
Round 5 Pick 16 (IND): Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Sam Rogers, FB, Virginia Tech (A+)
Round 5 Pick 34: Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Matthew Dayes, RB, NC State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 15 (IND): Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (A+)

Your Future Picks:
2018 Round 1 Pick
2019 Round 1 Pick

And you cut it off, which is good. This is about football. As a football player, I wish we had drafted him as I advocated many years about.

To me, it's about football, winning and losing. I don't boycott actors based on political views. I boycott them based on if I think they aren't any good at acting.

There's a difference between not liking someone because of their political views and not liking them because they are a turd of a person.

I could care less what a player on my team believes politically or religiously etc. But I wouldn't want Ben on my team period. I don't care if having him means that we would win a super bowl (or a half dozen).

I think he is way overvalued, at least on the boards and press.

If the Bears or someone wants to trade a first for the guy, have at it. The best I do is our 2nd rounder, maybe not even the first pick of the 2nd round.

Belichick, could just be testing the waters to see what it will take to resign him next year.

I don't know that for certain, but I wouldn't put it past him either.

That we are even talking about NE trading JG is the result of a rumor, which spawned other rumors. NE has, to my knowledge, never actually said he might be available. That said, I liked him in '14, I like him now. If he is available, I expect the Browns to give a trade strong consideration. What I don't want to see is the Browns crippling the team yet again by reaching for a pipe dream. (And that applies to drafting a QB too high, as well.)

Not sure I agree,
1 Garrett will be elite.
2 Von miller showed how it is done.
3 Peyton manning showed how you could win without a top 5 qb.
4 Besides if we draft wentz last year he would not have made it through 5 games if he was a brown

I'd rather trade the 12th pick for Jim G. than take a rookie (at 12) in this draft.

I would be "ok" with Mitch at 12.

I would probably rather just trade it for Jimmy.

Unless Mitch is one of those guys that surprises people and is an ok starter as a rookie.

I don't care to have a rookie sitting on the bench until theyre "ready" just so MKC can write 20 articles wondering when he's ganna start.

I have not studied this year's QB crop, and my evaluation skills are limited even if I had. I, like many others, base my opinions on what other, more expert evaluators have said. I saw 3-4 USC games and was very impressed with Darnold. It is my very inexpert opinion that if we are looking to draft a stud QB, next year is better.

That said, if we draft a QB, I would rather it be a late round project like Davis Webb, than a 1st rounder who we would then expect to be 'the guy.'

Trading less than a first rounder for JG makes sense, he should be ready to be the guy. If he is, we don't need to draft one. If he isn't, we can go after Darnold (or whoever proves better) next year.

As for trading the #12 for JG, that is making a bigger gamble, and would make it harder to move on if he isn't.

Those are some good points. I have a few counter points as to why I prefer Jimmy G to Trub:

--Jimmy G is way more accurate than Trub. His ball placement is much tighter than Trub's.

--Jimmy G processes information faster than Trub.

--Jimmy G has a quicker release than Trub.

--Not sure about the height. You say he is 1 inch taller and I have read that, too........but, I also saw a report that lists him at 6'1", which is 1 inch smaller. Either way, it's not much of an issue. Also, Jimmy G is 7 lbs heavier.

--I have issues w/Trub's ball security and how he performs late in games. Trub fumbles a lot and he throws some devastating picks late in close games. Jimmy G also fumbled too often in college, so that might be a wash.

--This one is big..........Trub tends to stare down receivers, while Jimmy G can look defenders off.

My conclusion is that Jimmy G is a much safer choice than Trub. I think there is much less of a bust potential w/Jimmy G than Trub. I don't think that it's even close, despite the menzas [channeling my inner Diam] comparing Jimmy G to Cassell, Hoyer, and Mallet. LOL

Agreed. Watson would not get "training" at all.

I'm OK with Jimmy G. or Trub with pick 12. I just don't think that either will last beyond the top 5 of this draft. Teams that need a QB are not just going to say well we are drafting too high this year so we are just going to ignore our desperate need for a QB. I think 49ers trade #2 for Jimmy G. and Trub goes before pick 12. Even though Watson is not worth a first round pick he will probably end up going before pick 12 too. Hell even Kiz might be drafted before 12. There will certainly be some teams crying over their drafts this year.

Doesn't matter though because if the Browns pass on Garrett the QB we take from that will end up having a career ending injury ... it's the Browns tradition...

Vers.

I'm not saying your wrong on Jimmy G. and I have noidea who will be the better QB but some of your points don't add up for me.

I don't base my opinions completely on stats, and I haven't seen tape on Garappolo since he was drafted but looking at the completion percentage for the two QBs in their final year in college Trubisky's is 68.2 and Jimmy's was 66 so very close, suggesting they both are accurate. Not very far apart.

Don't really know who processes info faster or how you can see that on tape, with pre-snap and post-snap reads and plays happening so fast I just don't see how you really know what the QB read and didn't read. Unless you talk to him right after the play to know what he saw and how he adjusted. Just hard to know.

I think both of their releases are plenty fast enough.

The ball security thing doesn't worry me, Trubisky actually had less INT. and fumbles then Garappolo did his last year. 6 INT to 9 and 4 fumbles to 9, while playing in a stronger conference mind you.

This was Trubisky's first year as the starter, he probably did stare down some receivers, most QBs do. Garappolo is was in his third year in the NFL he should be better at not doing that.

The bottom line, for me, is that Garappolo may be good he may not, same for Trubisky. I think they both are a risk, especially at 12. If NE wants to talk a second then lets talk, but I'm not sold on Garappolo just yet. Maybe if he had a full season of games played I would be.

I think I'd risk this season on Glennon who is capable and has played in quite a few more games. I think with a good running game and far improved defense this team could make strides. Grab the franchise QB next year or develop a guy.

Trub is going to be good QB in this league. I have no doubts about that. The problem is how many years will it take for him to get the playtime needed to fully read and understand defences. I mean just one season as a starter is a bad situation for the HC who drafts him and needs him to be an instant star. I just think it will take a season or two until he is ready to start making a real difference. Still he is the only read prospect of this draft that will have a chance at becoming a franchise QB. If he last till 12 sure take a shot.

Jimmy G. is not a risk. He has the skill set to do the most important thing a QB needs to do and that is put the ball in an easy to catch spot for the WR. When you right up a list of all the most important things your looking for in a franchise QB he meets or exceeds everything on that list except hand size and height and he has shown those don't matter that much because he plays great. If a team is built around him he will easily become a top 5 QB in this league. I said that before he got drafted and I am even more convinced now.

Whatever the cost we need to get Jimmy G.

Dean you said you have not watched game film of him yet. I strongly urge you to do so. Once people actually watch him play their doubts start to fade.

http://www.patriots.com/video/2016/09/12/week-1-jimmy-garoppolo-highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUI6YmBkj1w

Those are from week 1 and 2 against two decent NFL teams.

What important to note is he shows he can make the same throws in the NFL as he did in college and that he can read NFL defences just like he did college ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBoj4bQCaQs

http://www.patriots.com/video/2014/05/09/jimmy-garoppolo-college-highlights

Some college highlights. He is showing he can hit WR in stride with deadly accuracy. They seldom have to slow down to catch the ball. He can throw it over their head and drop it in the bucket like it's nothing. Clean smooth release and great footwork.

He did all that with a horrible o-line and a group of receivers where NONE of them made it to the NFL. He single handedly carried his team. He threw the ball so great they had no choice but to catch it. I'm telling you this guy is going to set the league on fire once he is the starter somewhere.

Dude that first quarter against Miami is money.

Please get him.

If anyone can watch those two videos and not think he's good then I don't know what to tell you.