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Texas Tech quarterback Patrick Mahomes II who was the nation's leading passer this season, announced Tuesday that he's entering the NFL draft.

Mahomes threw for 5,052 yards, accounted for 52 total touchdowns and finished No. 1 in FBS in total offense for the second consecutive season. The junior is ranked as the No. 5 quarterback prospect for the draft by ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr.

Mahomes took over the Red Raiders' starting job as a true freshman late in the 2014 season and has produced 12,053 total yards of offense and 114 touchdowns during his time in Lubbock. He leaves as the No. 3 passer in Texas Tech history with 11,252 career passing yards.

He broke several FBS, Big 12 and school records in October when he produced 819 total yards and completed 52 passes on 88 attempts in a 66-59 loss to eventual Big 12 champion Oklahoma.

Despite his prolific efforts, Texas Tech had the worst scoring defense in FBS (43.5 points per game) and finished 5-7 this season. Mahomes leaves the program with a 13-16 record as a starter. In the 11 games in which he threw for more than 400 yards, the Red Raiders went 5-6.

The second-team All-Big 12 selection started all 12 games this season despite injuries to both his shoulders as well as a left wrist injury that required surgery in December.

Mahomes' successor at Texas Tech is expected to be Nic Shimonek, an Iowa transfer who threw for 464 yards and six touchdowns as Tech's backup in 2016. He'll be a senior next season.

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Admittedly, he's unpolished and the true QB watchers here can probably point out a million things wrong with him but I really like this guy. Although he plays in a Air Raid system which inflates his stats, he seems to be pretty accurate with the football and [censored] does the ball jump out of his hand.

Obviously not a first rounder but I'd get curious in the second and would be a no-brainer in the third.

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Eh. I'm not sure he has an arm that's anything special. He does make throws quick however. But I'm not sure he's anything different than Kessler at the Pro Level. But I do hope he gets picked early and sends Chad Kelly and Davis Webb down the rounds.

I like the guy.

He is incredibly raw. His footwork is Manzielian. Now, his work ethic is probably better, but he is maybe 2 years away from being on the field just because he needs to learn basic footwork. I'm serious, it's super ugly. He doesn't square up his throws, doesn't throw from a solid base, doesn't follow through.

That being said, his arm is incredible. He's big, strong, and sneaky shifty and decent speed. It's hard to grade his accuracy because of his mechanical flaws, I'd say he probably has good natural accuracy.

I wouldn't consider him until the 3rd round.

Kaaya declared today too.

Basically every draftable underclassmen QB has declared. Even some random dude from Virginia Tech.

Jeven Snead says to stay in school!

I want no part of this guy.

It'll be interesting to see his performance at pro day and combine and see how he looks consistently taking snaps under centre.

Why's that?

He has a decent arm, but I don't like how inconsistent he is w/his accuracy. He makes some really good throws, but then misses others by a mile. I saw a bunch of one-hoppers when I watched him.

I am also very wary of guys who play in that gimmicky offense. That might not be particularly fair, but there have been so many of them have put up obscene numbers in those offenses and can't even make an NFL roster.

The gimmick offense makes me a little nervous as well.... I always think of it as Colt Brennan syndrome.

At the end of the day, if Tribusky is there at 12, that's the safer bet. I feel like he won't slide that far though so I figure we pick up a QB somewhere day 2/early day 3.

Given the knock on Kessler, even from Hue's public standpoint, seems to be ability to push the ball downfield effectively, I gotta think that they'll look for someone with a bigger arm. And if I'm thinking good arm, developable talent, I see Mahomes as a good option.

You could be right. I just read a few reports on him. Seems like scouts are mixed. Kinda like the discussion we are having. LOL

Mahomes has a tremendous arm and is really good scrambling and finding the open guy. He has terrible mechanics which really has a negative impact on his accuracy. He holds the ball way too long.

A typical play is Mahomes gets the shotgun snap, holds, holds, holds, scrambles, scrambles, throws. I watched 2 draftbreakdown cutups and I can hardly remember any passes from the pocket.

He has a lot of upside but needs a lot of work to get there.

I note folks talk accuracy a lot with him. I assume we're talking about his ball placement, not his completion percentage as he's gotten better year after year there and completes in the mid/high 60%s and with a decent yds/attempt avg to boot.

I agree he abandons the pocket a lot but part of that is the fact that Tech's overall Oline talent (and talent overall) is pretty freaking low....which is another thing that intrigues me. This guy made an offense run that was pretty much devoid of any real top tier talent and made a lot of receivers pretty productive.

If he's a guy who makes others around him better, that's a hallmark of a legit starting QB.

I don't pay a lot of attention to completion % in college. Before I did that, I would have to subtract out all the bubble screens before I would consider that a useful statistic. I don't know anyone who reports that and I certainly am not going to do it myself.

Here is my question on his accuracy. There are a lot of throws where he has a wide open receiver and the throw is so far off that I question whether he could hit the side of a barn from 20 yards out. For examples, watch the 1st few throws from the WVU game.

http://draftbreakdown.com/video/patrick-mahomes-vs-west-virginia-2016/

Essssh...yep, that's a pretty ugly first quarter...although watching the video further, he seems to improve moving forward.

His tape against Arizona State I thought he looked considerably better....hitting guys in stride, being decisive with the ball.

His tendency to drop waaaaaaay back when rolling away from pressure is a little worrisome though. He needs to break that habit.

That's the maddening thing with this guy. He has the prototype size and arm but some of his throws are so far off, you wonder how he could be starting.

His throwing mechanics are a mess and fixing those could fix his accuracy, but the mechanics are so messed up it's probably a multi-year project.

So I'm hearing an athletic Paxton Lynch.

The project part maybe but Lynch was way more accurate.

You can be more inaccurate than Paxton Lynch? Wow. A project indeed.